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Old 10-02-2012, 04:31 PM   #1051
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Plus one for hardtop and power windows....
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Oh, well.. then I wasn't referring to you earlier when I was talking about the people in this thread with misplaced expectations.
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Old 10-02-2012, 07:00 PM   #1052
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Oh, well.. then I wasn't referring to you earlier when I was talking about the people in this thread with misplaced expectations.
Ummm if you can have roll up windows what is stopping you from an electric window operation? BTW this came from Jim's mouth when I was asking him a ton of questions and he was the one who brought up electric windows. And please don't say anything like "electric adds weight!" in this day and age when it's been proven that electric window motors weigh in almost as low as roll up window mechanisms.

BTW you can have all the creature comforts from AC, heat, touch screen GPS/surround sound, smooth ride, leather seats/steering wheel, etc etc. You just need to pay more for it. Hell if high performance is not a big deal, you can go get an older 2.5rs or forester for dirt cheap and use the rest of the money on creature comforts. As the old saying goes "pick 2, fast, luxury(or reliable in the super high performance case) or cheap."
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Old 10-02-2012, 07:28 PM   #1053
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Yet, you want power windows and A/C.
I'm not seeing much of a problem here, the donor car already has AC, it's just a question of fitting the parts. I understand that could be tough if they didn't consider it during development. Power windows are lighter than crank, Lotus proved that in the Elise. The parts for power already exist, the hard part is going to be designing the glass and the top.
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:15 AM   #1054
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Ummm if you can have roll up windows what is stopping you from an electric window operation? BTW this came from Jim's mouth when I was asking him a ton of questions and he was the one who brought up electric windows. And please don't say anything like "electric adds weight!" in this day and age when it's been proven that electric window motors weigh in almost as low as roll up window mechanisms.

BTW you can have all the creature comforts from AC, heat, touch screen GPS/surround sound, smooth ride, leather seats/steering wheel, etc etc. You just need to pay more for it. Hell if high performance is not a big deal, you can go get an older 2.5rs or forester for dirt cheap and use the rest of the money on creature comforts. As the old saying goes "pick 2, fast, luxury(or reliable in the super high performance case) or cheap."
I guess your definition of High Performance comes in here. Lets say you add all that stuff. What would that be 100/150lbs and $2000? So now you are talking a sub 2000lbs car with(stock WRX) 265hp and all the goodies for $20k? I think that would still fall in the fast(I know, not the fastest) nicely appointed, relatively cheap. I can't think of any other car, at that price, that would match it.
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:35 AM   #1055
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I'm not seeing much of a problem here, the donor car already has AC, it's just a question of fitting the parts. I understand that could be tough if they didn't consider it during development. Power windows are lighter than crank, Lotus proved that in the Elise. The parts for power already exist, the hard part is going to be designing the glass and the top.
And running extra wiring through the door. IMHO, cranks are a little less complex and can keep the build simple, regardless of weight.

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Old 10-03-2012, 10:58 AM   #1056
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Couldn't someone just do clip in place lexan windows? I mean really how much do you need to operate windows? Probably some nhta safety law...
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Old 10-03-2012, 02:33 PM   #1057
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Frank, I think you hit the nail on the head with NHTA for just making your own windows.

As for the rest of the thread; are people really still crying, fussing and bitching about this thing?!!
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Old 10-03-2012, 03:59 PM   #1058
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**THESE ARE NOT NEW OFFICIAL PICS, just my photoshopped ones**

I was interested to see what the 818 might look like with a windshield and other road-car-spec things...


I was also interested in creating a custom front end that I'd like to do:
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Old 10-03-2012, 05:26 PM   #1059
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I guess your definition of High Performance comes in here. Lets say you add all that stuff. What would that be 100/150lbs and $2000? So now you are talking a sub 2000lbs car with(stock WRX) 265hp and all the goodies for $20k? I think that would still fall in the fast(I know, not the fastest) nicely appointed, relatively cheap. I can't think of any other car, at that price, that would match it.
It all comes down to what you want. That $2000 could easily be used up on a set of seats right there. Or very high end sound system. Or completely leather/alectentra wrapped interior. Point being it can be luxury, just not bmw luxury, supercar fast and yaris cheap all at the same time.
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Old 10-03-2012, 07:20 PM   #1060
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It all comes down to what you want. Point being it can be luxury, just not bmw luxury, supercar fast and yaris cheap all at the same time.
Double Post...How in the hell did I do that?!?!

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Old 10-03-2012, 07:20 PM   #1061
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It all comes down to what you want. Point being it can be luxury, just not bmw luxury, supercar fast and yaris cheap all at the same time.
You are correct sir...I think that is what I have been saying.
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Old 10-04-2012, 12:11 AM   #1062
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They had many great designs and they literally chose the worst one IMO(their own naturally), that front end is about the worst you could do.

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Old 10-04-2012, 01:06 PM   #1063
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Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of the styling so far. Could just be the red gel-coat doing it, maybe once I see one with an actual paint job in something like silver.
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Old 10-20-2012, 12:54 PM   #1064
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First full shots of the racing version are up on the FFR forums...



And with a driver:


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Old 10-20-2012, 01:35 PM   #1065
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Good grief, that thing looks huge with a driver in it! Maybe it's just the camera / lens / angle, but damn! And what's the deal with the front overhang? I though this was a rear engined car
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Old 10-20-2012, 01:56 PM   #1066
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I've been confused by the front overhang all along. Curious to see underneath, I'm sure they didn't extend it for aesthetics.
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Old 10-20-2012, 02:37 PM   #1067
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Who's going to be the first one to put a ls7 in the front of this thing?
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Old 10-20-2012, 03:27 PM   #1068
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For what? Ballast?
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Old 10-20-2012, 04:18 PM   #1069
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It's not nearly as big as that shot makes look. The Roadster that was sitting next to it dwarfed it.
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Old 10-20-2012, 05:32 PM   #1070
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That guy must be tiny then cause the hood/trunk/boot looks about 5' long lol.

But i guess with no windshield maybe its just longer due to it also covering half of what would normally be a dashboard?
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Old 10-20-2012, 05:47 PM   #1071
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He is also sitting just about an inch off the floor.
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Old 10-20-2012, 06:17 PM   #1072
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Good grief, that thing looks huge with a driver in it! Maybe it's just the camera / lens / angle, but damn! And what's the deal with the front overhang? I though this was a rear engined car
I don't think front overhang matters for rear engined cars as much. Lots of mid and rear engine cars have long front overhangs.
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Old 10-20-2012, 06:50 PM   #1073
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He is also sitting just about an inch off the floor.
So how tall is the guy in the picture? He looks to be maybe 3" under the top of the bar, with a helmet that puts him pretty close to the minimum required distance to pass a broomstick test. If the seat is sitting on the floor that's more headroom than a complete car would have.
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Old 10-20-2012, 07:44 PM   #1074
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I think Jason is over 6'2". I haven't met him personally so I am not sure. Trying to find out. There is more than 3" of clearance though.


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Old 10-20-2012, 09:08 PM   #1075
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So how tall is the guy in the picture? He looks to be maybe 3" under the top of the bar, with a helmet that puts him pretty close to the minimum required distance to pass a broomstick test. If the seat is sitting on the floor that's more headroom than a complete car would have.
This is my issue. Something tells me the regular 818's bar won't pass.

Which would be a MAJOR mistake on FFRs part IMHO.
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