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Old 02-14-2011, 07:54 AM   #1
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If you’re reading this on your mobile device while waiting for an oil change, you can closely associate with the type of savings the all-new Ford Focus Electric offers. Simply stated, the Ford Focus Electric will be the easiest car to own that Ford has ever built. No oil changes, no transmission service and no air filter to replace. Ever.

The Focus Electric does not have a conventional piston engine or an automatic or manual transmission. That means no regular maintenance for things such as oil changes and tuneups – a scenario most other motorists can only dream of.

“About all the driver will have to do is charge up the battery pack and go,” said Sherif Marakby, Ford Director of Electrification Programs and Engineering.

Focus Electric eliminates more than two dozen mechanical components that would normally require attention over the life of the vehicle. The dramatic reduction in moving mechanical parts is the key reason why consumers won’t have much to do to maintain the Focus Electric.
“When you have moving parts, such as the gears in a transmission or the pistons in an engine, you have maintenance,” Sherif said. “With an electric drive, there are very few moving parts.”

The minimal maintenance requirements of the Focus Electric saves drivers time and money. Oil changes demonstrate how. For the gas-powered 2012 Focus, Ford recommends oil and filter changes every 10,000 miles. That’s a $29.95 job at a Ford Quick Lane service center. And it usually takes about 30 minutes. Over the 10-year, 150,000-mile life of the vehicle, those 15 oil changes cost $449.25 and 7.5 hours.

Over the life of the car, Focus Electric drivers also won’t need to spend time and money to:
  • Replace five air filters at a cost of $24.95 each
  • Have two cooling system flushes at a cost of $109 each
  • Get one transmission service, $179
  • Replace one drive belt for $130
  • Buy and install one new set of spark plugs for $69.95
Electrification is an important piece of the Ford overall product sustainability strategy. The aggressive strategy includes the launch of five new electrified vehicles in North America by 2012 and Europe by 2013. In addition to Focus Electric, Ford launched the Transit Connect Electric small commercial van in 2010 and will introduce C-MAX Hybrid, a second next-generation lithium-ion battery hybrid and the C-MAX Energi plug-in hybrid in 2012. The range of electrified vehicles allows Ford to meet a variety of consumer driving needs.

You can get the latest updates on the Ford Focus Electric on the Ford Electric Facebook Page.
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Old 02-14-2011, 08:11 AM   #2
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its amazing how all of these concepts are actually being produced. Not sure what chevy is trying to achieve with the volt, or honda with the crz...Toyota has been doing that with better results for nearly 8 years.

Glad to see ford moving forward.
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Old 02-14-2011, 08:23 AM   #3
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Welcome to the world of deflection.

So Ford goes on to talk about what DOESN'T need to be serviced, but doesn't inlcude in the article the costs/time for regular maintenance that *does* need to be serviced on the Focus EV. I think that it's a bad article. Any brake pads? Tires don't need to be changed? I can see people taking that article literally and saying 'they said nothing'. Well, no, Ford said 'about' all the driver will have to do'. What's the stuff that will have to be done Ford?

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Old 02-14-2011, 08:37 AM   #4
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Any brake pads? Tires don't need to be changed?
Those have to be changed on any car. That's a wash.
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Old 02-14-2011, 08:53 AM   #5
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^ But maybe people will have the tendency of braking more to re-generate power. I can see it now...

Passenger: Why are you braking so much on the highway?
Driver: Uh.... Battery is running low and we still have 200 miles to destination
Passenger: Why didn't you charge up before we left?
Driver: I did but we're not using the brakes enough to keep the battery full.
Passenger: Tell me again, why did you buy this car?
Driver: *grumbles*

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Old 02-14-2011, 08:56 AM   #6
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Brake pads will likely last longer because of regenerative braking.

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Old 02-14-2011, 09:04 AM   #7
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Those have to be changed on any car. That's a wash.
yep, battery maintenance is a wash too, since all cars have them.

there's probably a motor tune-up that you are going to be advised to get every 50k miles too, but again, all cars have motors, so no need to compare costs.

on a side note (and to help people understand I am joking), thank god there is such a thing as brush-less motors, imagine how often you'd have to replace worn out brushes and commutators?

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Old 02-14-2011, 09:34 AM   #8
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are the brake systems and tires fundamentally different (other than the regenerative part)? No.

The batteries I will give you though.

overall an electric car should have lower maint costs, but that is more than eaten up by the price premium.

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Old 02-14-2011, 09:35 AM   #9
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Man, those savings are HUGE!

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Old 02-14-2011, 09:48 AM   #10
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Tony also says, “It is my belief (perhaps urban legend) that newer cars are so clean you may die of oxygen deprivation, not CO poisoning.”

Actually, if you’re talking about cars with a PZEV, or partial-zero emissions vehicle rating, which you can get in California and some other states, it’s true, they’re so clean you cannot die from carbon monoxide poisoning. In fact, in the LA basin the air going into the engine is dirtier than that exhaust coming out the tailpipe. Think about it. Cars that are running on gasoline are as clean as an electric car, when you factor in the pollution needed to generate the electricity.
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Old 02-14-2011, 09:54 AM   #11
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Time to fill car with gas 8 minutes

Time to charge the electric car 8 hours.

Getting to your destination 7 hours earlier.

priceless
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Old 02-14-2011, 10:53 AM   #12
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Looking forward to seeing the electric cars on backs of flatbeds. You cannot just walk to a gas station with a 5 gallon jug and get some electricity.

If a person was smart, you would start a business for rescuing electric cars that ran dead on the road. You could show up and run a generator which the car could plug into. Then they would have to pay per minute of charge to get them home.
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Old 02-14-2011, 11:00 AM   #13
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pretty impressive. It's very good to see Ford and Chevy really working to keep up with, if not lead the pack in this segment of the market.
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Old 02-14-2011, 11:14 AM   #14
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are the brake systems and tires fundamentally different (other than the regenerative part)? No.
Regenerative braking is fundamentally different, or at least it is on the Prius. The brakes are basically "brake by wire" with a pedal position sensor. On an electric or hybrid, most of the time when you hit the brakes the planetary gear set engages the generator. The actual brake pads are hardly ever used in comparison. That's why brake pads last 2 or 3 times longer on a Prius.
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Old 02-14-2011, 11:20 AM   #15
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Looking forward to seeing the electric cars on backs of flatbeds. You cannot just walk to a gas station with a 5 gallon jug and get some electricity.

If a person was smart, you would start a business for rescuing electric cars that ran dead on the road. You could show up and run a generator which the car could plug into. Then they would have to pay per minute of charge to get them home.
or you could just have a flatbed tow truck?

however, I think that the person that can create a trailer that has batteries, and all it does it plug into your car, giving you the extended range for a 1000 mile a day journey, that guy is going to be in the money (or even better a tow generator that will charge the vehicle while you're on that long journey, but otherwise you can keep it in your garage).
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Old 02-14-2011, 11:21 AM   #16
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You're more than paying for the lower maintenance costs up front when you buy the car. And until long term maintenance costs for these vehicles are known, it's impossible to say what savings there really is.
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Old 02-14-2011, 02:51 PM   #17
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or you could just have a flatbed tow truck?

however, I think that the person that can create a trailer that has batteries, and all it does it plug into your car, giving you the extended range for a 1000 mile a day journey, that guy is going to be in the money (or even better a tow generator that will charge the vehicle while you're on that long journey, but otherwise you can keep it in your garage).
Or what if you have a car with a replacable battery in the vehicle that can be traded in if it is empty like we do with propane? That way, you wouldn't have to tow the trailer along as dead weight when it is spent.

Hmmm...makes too much sense, therefore it probably won't happen.
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Or what if you have a car with a replacable battery in the vehicle that can be traded in if it is empty like we do with propane? That way, you wouldn't have to tow the trailer along as dead weight when it is spent.

Hmmm...makes too much sense, therefore it probably won't happen.
They are doing that in Israel. The company putting the stations in is *talking* about trying the same in the US (eventually)...

http://www.betterplace.com/the-solution-switch-stations
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Old 02-14-2011, 05:42 PM   #19
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Looking forward to seeing the electric cars on backs of flatbeds. You cannot just walk to a gas station with a 5 gallon jug and get some electricity.

If a person was smart, you would start a business for rescuing electric cars that ran dead on the road. You could show up and run a generator which the car could plug into. Then they would have to pay per minute of charge to get them home.
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Yea right, They just gonna have new types of maintenance. Battery calibration, voltage check, corrosion treatment. etc.
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Yea right, They just gonna have new types of maintenance. Battery calibration, voltage check, corrosion treatment. etc.

This is very true. There is no end all, be all. However, resistance to change and progression is futile. I'm glad companies are finally trying a little harder now. It will be a while before there is a decent mass produced electric car.
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Really? That seems substantial enough to me, particularly when you consider the amount of time spent as well. It's around $1200 bucks, before taxes & fees, so you're probably looking at around $1500! Granted, it IS spread out over 10 years, but that's still $150 a year. That's like getting the equivalent of 4 tanks of gas FREE each and every year you own the vehicle.
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If a person was smart, you would start a business for rescuing electric cars that ran dead on the road. You could show up and run a generator which the car could plug into. Then they would have to pay per minute of charge to get them home.
Good idea, but you're too late. AFAIK, Nissan's already got a deal with AAA to offer mobile emergency quick charges for the Leaf. Anyone remember the specific numbers on the Leaf's quick recharge... I wanna say it's 75 or 80% in 15 minutes?? Not so much different from running out of gas, really.
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Really? That seems substantial enough to me, particularly when you consider the amount of time spent as well. It's around $1200 bucks, before taxes & fees, so you're probably looking at around $1500! Granted, it IS spread out over 10 years, but that's still $150 a year. That's like getting the equivalent of 4 tanks of gas FREE each and every year you own the vehicle.
if $12.50 a month is substantial to you, you need to take the bus or ride a bike.
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Good idea, but you're too late. AFAIK, Nissan's already got a deal with AAA to offer mobile emergency quick charges for the Leaf. Anyone remember the specific numbers on the Leaf's quick recharge... I wanna say it's 75 or 80% in 15 minutes?? Not so much different from running out of gas, really.
If I thought of it, somebody else had to have already thought of it as well.

Lboogie, thanks, I can get that picture made into a car vinyl wrap and put it on my charge truck! HAHA

That was a huge help!
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