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Old 02-16-2011, 12:57 PM   #1
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Just beyond the stands of mainstream manufacturers during last weekís Chicago auto show press previews, stood an unusual, rugged-looking vehicle. Though its crude appearance might suggest otherwise, the Clandestine Extended Range Vehicle, or CERV, is an all-wheel-drive diesel hybrid that $14 billion in federal financing for dual-use advanced technology helped to build.

The high-tech dune buggy, which is intended for special-forces operations, is the work of the Army Tank Automotive Research, Development and Engineering Center in Warren, Mich. The centerís projects also include prototype 60-ton robotic-vehicles that resist improvised explosive devices. The center has joined the auto-show circuit to let taxpayers know where their money is going and to informally showcase its technologies as Army recruiting tools.

The CERVís diesel-hybrid power train was jointly designed with Quantum Fuel Systems Technologies, a company in California that also works with Fisker Motors. The three-person vehicle has a cruising speed of 80 miles an hour and can climb a 60-percent grade. It is also light enough to be airlifted by the V22 Osprey swing-wing rotor aircraft.


Phil Patton for The New York Times The CERV at the Chicago auto show.

But with a trait not commonly associated with the armed forces, it is also one of the most fuel-efficient vehicles of its kind, offering roughly 25 percent better mileage over dual-use vehicles with conventional power plants. It runs on jet propellant 8, the standard Pentagon fuel for jet aircraft, tanks and vehicles like the CERV.

A recent study by RAND suggested that the Pentagonís research into alternative fuels did not make long-term sense for military uses. But hybrids using standard fuels can extend the range of vehicles like the CERV, a successor to the dune buggy-like craft and A.T.V.ís seen in the early years of the Afghanistan war.

And the Army center suggests that research into the system can help improve technology with civilian applications. From that perspective, the CERV may recall the long tradition of military vehicles going civilian, like the Jeep and Hummer.
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Old 02-16-2011, 01:10 PM   #2
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Is the top photo reversed or are LHD and RHD versions built?

Also, when can I get a surplus USMC IFAV?



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The IFAV has a 156 horsepower turbo-charged diesel engine, capable of propelling the vehicle at speeds of up to 96 mph and enables the vehicle to climb terrain with a grade up to 80 percent. The vehicle nets an impressive 18 to 22 miles per gallon, a big improvement from the 12 mpg typical of other tactical vehicles. Military modifications to the G-Wagon 290 include a larger engine, air conditioning, an automatic transmission, half-doors and an integrated light armor kit.
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Old 02-16-2011, 02:46 PM   #3
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I don't see how that can be clandestine; it would really stand out. A Peugeot 504 would be better if you don't want to attract attention in most places around the middle east.
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Old 02-16-2011, 02:52 PM   #4
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Is the top photo reversed or are LHD and RHD versions built?
Reversed? Maybe it's the angle but it looks like the drivers seat is in the middle to me.
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Old 02-16-2011, 03:15 PM   #5
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14 billion dollars for a fuel-efficient dune buggy?

Money well-spent. They'll make that money back in trickle-down tech and fuel savings in no time, right?

This just screams "pointless contract to spend money". $14,000,000,000 is 1/4 of the entire US Dept of Education Annual budget ($56B 2010) and more than 1/6th of the entire US Dept of Health Annual budget ($78$ 2010) You could buy 600,000 Priuses.

Oh, but yeah, you're right - I guess Special Forces personnel will have less stress thinking that while they're en route to their mission that they're not killing the environment while they're at it.
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Old 02-16-2011, 03:27 PM   #6
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Is the top photo reversed or are LHD and RHD versions built?

Also, when can I get a surplus USMC IFAV?

how about middle hand drive?
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Old 02-16-2011, 03:35 PM   #7
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14 billion dollars for a fuel-efficient dune buggy?

Money well-spent. They'll make that money back in trickle-down tech and fuel savings in no time, right?

This just screams "pointless contract to spend money". $14,000,000,000 is 1/4 of the entire US Dept of Education Annual budget ($56B 2010) and more than 1/6th of the entire US Dept of Health Annual budget ($78$ 2010) You could buy 600,000 Priuses.

Oh, but yeah, you're right - I guess Special Forces personnel will have less stress thinking that while they're en route to their mission that they're not killing the environment while they're at it.

Some of the $14B was used to build and some of the technology developed with that money was used to build it. It did not cost $14B to build the buggy.
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Old 02-16-2011, 03:48 PM   #8
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14 billion dollars for a fuel-efficient dune buggy?

Money well-spent. They'll make that money back in trickle-down tech and fuel savings in no time, right?

This just screams "pointless contract to spend money". $14,000,000,000 is 1/4 of the entire US Dept of Education Annual budget ($56B 2010) and more than 1/6th of the entire US Dept of Health Annual budget ($78$ 2010) You could buy 600,000 Priuses.

Oh, but yeah, you're right - I guess Special Forces personnel will have less stress thinking that while they're en route to their mission that they're not killing the environment while they're at it.
Did you know we fought with Gorillas in Vietnam?
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That isn't a bad concept... but it looks way under-developed, and kinda vulnerable. Exposed radiators like that, really?

Why not just make it look like this:
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Reversed? Maybe it's the angle but it looks like the drivers seat is in the middle to me.
Sorry, poor depth perception on my part.
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That isn't a bad concept... but it looks way under-developed, and kinda vulnerable. Exposed radiators like that, really?

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haha warthog, i'll take one with a Gauss Gun and an AI that knows how to drive
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14 billion dollars for a fuel-efficient dune buggy?

Money well-spent. They'll make that money back in trickle-down tech and fuel savings in no time, right?

This just screams "pointless contract to spend money". $14,000,000,000 is 1/4 of the entire US Dept of Education Annual budget ($56B 2010) and more than 1/6th of the entire US Dept of Health Annual budget ($78$ 2010) You could buy 600,000 Priuses.

Oh, but yeah, you're right - I guess Special Forces personnel will have less stress thinking that while they're en route to their mission that they're not killing the environment while they're at it.
I would think the fuel efficient part has nothing to do with being green or saving money. Its more to do with going farther on the same amount of fuel as the logistics of getting fuel to warzones may not be that easy.
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I want the Mk1 model; no Gauss gun but they were pretty indestructible otherwise.
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