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Old 02-18-2011, 01:14 PM   #1
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Lotus will launch this more extreme, stripped-out version of its baby Elise at next month’s Geneva motor show.

Called Elise Club Racer, the new model is designed for improved track day use. It offers a more sophisticated chassis set-up than the regular car, and should have a small performance advantage too thanks to some weight savings.

The biggest change on the Club Racer is the addition of a Sport mode to Lotus’s Dynamic Performance Management chassis control. The new set-up is still tied to the same parameters as a regular Elise - corner brake control, drag torque control, differential lock, traction control, stability control, ABS, hydraulic brake assist and electronic brake distribution - but it increases the amount of traction slip allowed and removes understeer recognition.

Lotus claims the new setting “allows the driver more vehicle control before an intervention is required”. The car also gets an adjustable front anti-roll bar (instead of the standard Elise’s fixed item) for further configurability.

The Elise’s 1.6-litre engine remains unchanged, although the optional, track-only Club Racer Power Pack will give a modest increase in power, from 134bhp to 139bhp. However, the Club Racer should still be quicker, because it weighs almost 25kg less than a standard car. The savings come through a lightweight battery (5.4kg), the use of a decal instead of a badge (60g) and the removal of the soft-top roof (5.9kg).

Further kilos are saved through the deletion from the spec of the central locking, radio and speakers, noise insulation and carpets, passenger footrest, mud flaps and the driver’s and passenger’s airbag. Lotus claims the total saving is 24.96kg.

The Club Racer is available in six colours, and gets a new design of 12-spoke alloy wheel. It costs £27,500, £600 less than an Elise S.
Lotus will also use Geneva to launch a series of Mansory customisation options for its Evora. It has yet to release details, beyond a preview image that shows an Evora sporting carbonfibre trim and the more dramatic front bumper design revealed by Autocar two weeks ago.







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Old 02-18-2011, 01:54 PM   #2
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As if that car wasn't hardcore enough! Sweet.
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Old 02-18-2011, 02:16 PM   #3
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Lovely. It's purity.
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Old 02-18-2011, 02:22 PM   #4
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Old 02-18-2011, 04:44 PM   #5
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HAHA at 60g saved by using a sticker instead of a badge. Awesome
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Old 02-18-2011, 04:47 PM   #6
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I wonder if the purists out there are conflicted by the Elise's electronic aids. Oh noez, it's a GT-R now!
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Old 02-18-2011, 05:17 PM   #7
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Pull everything out that doesn't make it go forward, re-prog the traction control, and drill some extra holes in the front sway bar.

Porsche charges a premium for this, but Lotus is actually lowering the price!

Since when does the Elise have "noise insulation" to begin with??
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Old 02-18-2011, 05:28 PM   #8
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I wonder if the purists out there are conflicted by the Elise's electronic aids. Oh noez, it's a GT-R now!
You're not serious, are you?

I'd love to drive this car sometime. I get the impression, though, that if you work at the Lotus Manufacturing Plant and you forget to put something on the car they actually applaud your efforts
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:04 PM   #9
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styling by Mansory- the tackiest company on the planet???

http://www.netcarshow.com/mansory/2007-le_mansory/
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:44 PM   #10
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You're not serious, are you?
Actually, I am:

"Corner brake control, drag torque control, differential lock, traction control, stability control, ABS, hydraulic brake assist and electronic brake distribution" and understeer control (omitted on this particular version)… That's a lot of aids.
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:52 PM   #11
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I think this is just a regular elise that is discounted a bit by not including a soft top and giving you a smaller battery.

I am guessing the list of "driver aids" are overstated marketing fluff.
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:59 PM   #12
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HAHA at 60g saved by using a sticker instead of a badge. Awesome
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Old 02-18-2011, 07:03 PM   #13
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60 grams? theres more sugar in than that in a bottle of coke
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the decal thing was stolen from porsche i think, unless sombody else did that previously.
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Old 02-18-2011, 07:27 PM   #15
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Actually, I am:

"Corner brake control, drag torque control, differential lock, traction control, stability control, ABS, hydraulic brake assist and electronic brake distribution" and understeer control (omitted on this particular version)… That's a lot of aids.
Here's a better comparison:

Nissan
ATTESSA E-TS AWD system (which also includes a yaw-rate feedback control system)
Electronic drive-by-wire throttle
Torque distribution
Electronic Traction Control System (TCS)
High-performance 1.5-way mechanical limited-slip rear differential
Advanced Vehicle Dynamic Control (VDC)
Dual clutch 6-speed transmission with three driver-selectable modes
Downshift Rev Matching
Predictive pre-shift control
Bilstein® DampTronic® suspension system with three driver-selectable modes
Vehicle-speed-sensitive power steering
4-wheel Anti-lock Braking System
Electronic Brake force Distribution

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Lotus Traction Control System (Lotus TCS) (which doubles as 'understeer control' in the Lotus)
Lotus T4e ECU with electronic throttle control
Track tuned ABS system
Limited Slip Differential (LSD)
Electronic Brake force Distribution (on the new Elise)

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Old 02-18-2011, 07:47 PM   #16
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That's not a lot of aids - considering that the majority of those aren't really as intrusive as they sound.

How about this:

Feel free to edit/add to this list if you want to compare the driving aids some more...
Aids/electronics in both the Elise and GT-R:

Electronic drive-by-wire throttle (from 2006-on)
Traction control
Limited slip differential(s) (option in Elises)
Stability control ("VDC" in the GT-R, just "stability control" in the Elise)
ABS brakes with electronic brake force distribution

Aids/electronics in only the Elise:

Corner brake control
Drag torque control
Differential lock

Aids/electronics in only the GT-R:

ATTESA E-TS AWD system with torque distribution
Dual clutch 6-speed transmission with three driver-selectable modes, downshift rev matching, and predictive pre-shift control
Bilstein® DampTronic® suspension system with three driver-selectable modes
Vehicle-speed-sensitive power steering, hell, power steering of any kind
Fancy video-game inspired readouts in the center console by Polyphony, makers of the Gran Turismo video game series

Am I really arguing that they're the same car? No. My point is that even this "pure" car, the Elise, has a hell of a lot of electronic aids these days, and the difference between the Elise and the GT-R is not nearly as much as the difference between a true race car, even a Spec Miata, and the Elise. Put another way: street cars are street cars, so why cry about how one is a fraction less "sporting"?
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Am I really arguing that they're the same car? No. My point is that even this "pure" car, the Elise, has a hell of a lot of electronic aids these days, and the difference between the Elise and the GT-R is not nearly as much as the difference between a true race car, even a Spec Miata, and the Elise. Put another way: street cars are street cars, so why cry about how one is a fraction less "sporting"?
I don't get what you're trying to say here - first you're stating that the Elise's driving aids are somehow similar to the GTR's driving aids, then a statement about how close the feel of both cars are?

Having driven many 2WD cars and now owning an AWD car, even that "fraction" difference is staggering in terms of the actual effort required to make the car go in the direction you want. Add in the fact that the AWD system in the GTR is incredibly complex and the transmission is entirely different (in addition to fewer inputs required, predictive shifting, rev matching) - these cars would be night-and-day different to drive. Until someone comes in here and says they've tracked both and are only a "fraction" different when it comes to driver feel, I'm going to stick with my assumptions for now.
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I think you guys should research what they are refering to in the marketing blurb. I read ABS, LSD and traction control.

the traction control in at least the us lotuses has minimal functionality and the user can completely disable. I am not sure what functionality the brake force distribution has but I'd guess it is a pretty simple afair. I also guess that drag torque control is simply drive by wire tha gives holds the rpm up a tick at various points.

Anyways I am not really sure on the specifics, but I know lotus tends to glamorize some of their features. I guarentee it is still easy to "run out of talent" in that elise, which is not true of something like a gtr. The 1.6l elise is europe only anyways.
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Can "drive by wire" be swapped out of a car for a cable? Say you buy a post 2006 Elise and swap the wire crap out with a pre 2006 cable, is this possible?
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You would want to do this because ??????????

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You would want to do this because ??????????
Because computers are scary when you're too old.
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You would want to do this because ??????????
I wouldn't on a DD, but it would be a fun exercise in reverse engineering. I'm guessing it can. The idea of simply suggesting to the engine that you want it to accelerate sucks though (enter obligatory direct connection ramble here).
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That doesn't seem very hardcore....3 more hp, decals instead of badges, and a tweaked ecu?

Make it hardtop, give 200 hp, some sticky tires, comeback and call it "hardcore".

I like the color
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Actually, I am:

"Corner brake control, drag torque control, differential lock, traction control, stability control, ABS, hydraulic brake assist and electronic brake distribution" and understeer control (omitted on this particular version)… That's a lot of aids.
Driver aids are ok as long as there isn't a flappy paddle gear box that J. Clarkson hates so much, at that point they all suck.

No one will admit it, because they want it to seem like it was their idea, and that they aren't just parroting what someone else said.

Hell, I bet Formula 1 was a real bore to drive when they had ABS, traction control, all sorts of driver aids, and now it's probably just as boring with the flappy paddles.

We should face it, these people fantasize about driving these cars, and the only way they can do that is to build off of what someone has told them, and J. Clarkson is the most believable man in the world when it comes to cars.

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Anyways I am not really sure on the specifics, but I know lotus tends to glamorize some of their features. I guarentee it is still easy to "run out of talent" in that elise, which is not true of something like a gtr. The 1.6l elise is europe only anyways.
absolutely right, it is impossible to run out of talent in the GTR.
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Make it hardtop, give 200 hp, some sticky tires, comeback and call it "hardcore".
Isn't that basically an Exige?
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