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Old 07-12-2002, 07:39 PM   #1
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Default any stock turbo 12 sec passes

well im going for my 12.9 this weekend and from the way the car is driving it shoudl be easy i will let you all know and post a timeslip when i find out
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Old 07-13-2002, 07:13 PM   #2
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I went 13.1 on a stock turbo and just recently someone on the club did better with I believe a 12.9@105ish.
Not sure though.

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Old 07-13-2002, 07:24 PM   #3
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i think that was with a modified stock turbo . im talking interanally stock turbo ill let you guys know tomorrow very hot here though over 100 degrees out
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Old 07-13-2002, 08:45 PM   #4
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i run 12.8 @ 108mph !!(20psi)

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Old 07-13-2002, 09:52 PM   #5
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i think that was with a modified stock turbo . im talking interanally stock turbo ill let you guys know tomorrow very hot here though over 100 degrees out
There was one guy that ran like a 12.9x on the stock turbo. On the modded stock turbos guys have gone as low as like 12.7 I believe. A guy did 12.3 with nitrous with the stock turbo.
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Old 07-13-2002, 10:21 PM   #6
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i run 12.8 @ 108mph !!(20psi)

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I'm sorry, but anyone who knows anything about our car knows that isn't possible. Not so much the ET, but the mph. You can't get 108 traps on stock turbo w/o nitrous. Sorry, but either you're lying or your track is off (VERY common).

And, the stock turbo can't make more than 13.5-14.5psi at redline. It's been proven not to make anymore power past 17psi (midrange). This also goes for the guy who claimed 105 traps. The track is off.

With those mods, you'd be making roughly 225whp. 225whp will get you 98-100 traps, NOT 108. 108 traps would need to be at least 280whp.

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Old 07-13-2002, 10:38 PM   #7
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HONESLY ,BUT dont' believe me!

I DONT' CARE!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 07-13-2002, 11:13 PM   #8
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I'm sorry, but anyone who knows anything about our car knows that isn't possible. Not so much the ET, but the mph. You can't get 108 traps on stock turbo w/o nitrous. Sorry, but either you're lying or your track is off (VERY common).
Add me to the list of non-believers on this one.
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Old 07-13-2002, 11:28 PM   #9
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OK...
REMEMBER;YOUR EYES CANT' NO SEE WHAT YOUR HEAD CANT'NOT
UNDESTAND!!! I WILL BE POSTING THE VIDEO SOON!!
PEACE!!!
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Old 07-14-2002, 05:02 AM   #10
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With those mods, you'd be making roughly 225whp. 225whp will get you 98-100 traps, NOT 108. 108 traps would need to be at least 280whp.

my $.02
I ran 97.7mph without ANY of his mods...

my $.02 agAin

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Old 07-14-2002, 10:48 AM   #11
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HONESLY ,BUT dont' believe me!

I DONT' CARE!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't think anyone is saying your lying but there a very good chance the track is off. This is more common than you think. Some tracks go the other way and are way off on the slow side. For you to run a 108mph trap speed with your mods on the stock turbo in the heat and humidity of P.R. it is way off the mark.

Do you by chance have a G-Tech. It would be interesting to see what kind of times/trap speed it shows. They are fairly accurate. When I had basially the same setup as you my g-tech runs were in the 13.5 @ 101 mph range. I went to the track and ran 13.3 @ 101 so I would say they are pretty accurate.

Thats worth a try. There only $159 and would add weight to your arguement.
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Old 07-14-2002, 12:45 PM   #12
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I'm sorry, but anyone who knows anything about our car knows that isn't possible. Not so much the ET, but the mph. You can't get 108 traps on stock turbo w/o nitrous. Sorry, but either you're lying or your track is off (VERY common).

And, the stock turbo can't make more than 13.5-14.5psi at redline. It's been proven not to make anymore power past 17psi (midrange). This also goes for the guy who claimed 105 traps. The track is off.

With those mods, you'd be making roughly 225whp. 225whp will get you 98-100 traps, NOT 108. 108 traps would need to be at least 280whp.

my $.02
I've got to disagree with you TypeC. I did a 12.981 at 107 so I think it is "possible" but I too would say I think something is off here. I had far more mods on the car and just got into the 12s.

The part I most disagree with is the 13.5-14.5 psi. I know for a fact you can push the stock turbo way higher then this under controlled circumstances. For example if you completely ice down the IC (freeze it) at the track you can bump up the turbo quite alot. What I found from lots of trial and error using the TurboXS HPMBC was to set the "fine" adjustment first at 4 turns out. Then I adjusted the "course" setting to around 18 psi or so. The key is to not have the stock turbo try to spool real fast or your timing will get pulled right after gear shifts. I got this info from Mark at TurboXS who told me I could do this to about 20 psi on race gas if the IC was frozen.

I do agree with you that he would be putting out something around 225 or so hp which is way to low to get into the 12s. So I too would think the track is off. I actually thought for a while the track was off on my run but others were getting times that matched what they normally run. I was also getting times in the 13.2 range at around 103.5 to 104 mph previously so dropping a few tenths would bump up the mph by a couple.

Actually, by the mods he listed I'd be suprised to see 13.2s or 13.3s.

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Old 07-14-2002, 01:41 PM   #13
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I've got to disagree with you TypeC. I did a 12.981 at 107 so I think it is "possible" but I too would say I think something is off here. I had far more mods on the car and just got into the 12s.
I also believe your time is off too. Just look at the dyno's people. No one has passed 240whp on stock turbo. Even the FP turbo guys only make 246whp. This isn't magic. You can't trap 107 or even 105 on the stock turbo.

There are two tracks here. One automatically give me 2-3mph. I DON'T go there because of it.

V6, I have no way of testing your track, although your speed seems right for mbc + toulene. I did a couple 97mph at that level, so that seems right. Now, right now you're at roughly 200whp. so, somehow the other guys have gained 100+ whp? Hell no. You see how that impossible.

Just fwiw at 230whp and 235wtq, I was running 99-100 traps here (90 deg, 700ft).


And about the turbo boost, I'm sorry but that's just a fact. Calculate the CFM it takes to push even 16psi at 7K. That's 438CFM. NOT happening.

Also, either pop your WG hose or use a good ebc and set the duty cycle to 100% and you'll see the boost taper anyway. It simply can't push the air. The tuners have confirmed this as well, so it's not really a debate, just a fact. Datalogs also concur. Dyno confirmed when I was there too.


Erospeed:
No one is saying that the track didn't give you that time, just that the time isn't accurate. Not hating or anything, just pointing out some facts.

If you took your temperature and the thermometer said "400DEG F" would you believe it? Sometimes you have to use common sense to properly use data generated by machines.

Anyways, good luck on everyones setup/times.
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Old 07-14-2002, 02:20 PM   #14
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There really is no set way to measure the MPH. My guess is that one track uses 60' each side of the finish line, and the other uses one 60-120' on the "1/4" side of the finish line.
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There really is no set way to measure the MPH. My guess is that one track uses 60' each side of the finish line, and the other uses one 60-120' on the "1/4" side of the finish line.
Yes, there is one std way to do it. I have it in one of my NHRA books. But at any rate, there is one correct/sanctioned way.

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Old 07-14-2002, 02:51 PM   #16
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found it:



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Mile Per Hour Timer: Also know as the speed trap, this timer is located 66 feet before the finish line. It records the car's average speed between it and the finish line. This is the mile per hour figure on your timeslip.
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Old 07-14-2002, 04:28 PM   #17
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i run 12.8 @ 108mph !!(20psi)

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That pass was with a 60 shot of NOS. The best time for him without NOS was 13.4
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!NEGATIVE! 12.8.. NO NOS...
THE NOS IS FOR FREESE DE I-COOLER!
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!NEGATIVE! 12.8.. NO NOS...
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sorry... but BS.
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Old 07-15-2002, 09:37 AM   #20
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seems to me that a 12.8 @ 108 and NO OTHER time info may just be a gtech time... gtechs have notoriously high trap speed results when 1/4 testing...

Although, mikaust did go 12.8 @ 108 on a track, his car would probably do 12.4s if launched hard... thats what that trap speed is capable of...

so... erospeed, what was your 60 foot on that run, and what unichip do you run, TXS, Vishnu or Cobb?

Thanks...
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Old 07-15-2002, 09:40 AM   #21
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!!NEGATIVE! 12.8.. NO NOS...
THE NOS IS FOR FREESE DE I-COOLER!
Technically speaking, I dont think you can call a frozen intercooler STOCK, especially one thats around -127f!! Thats COLD!! That is unless you live in Alaska or something... Probably more like Antartica.....

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Old 07-15-2002, 02:40 PM   #22
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No one has passed 240whp on stock turbo.
<----------- Just did it on Saturday, and I doubt that I was the first. If I had to guess, I would think that another 10-15 hp is even possible.

The ET & MPH that I have listed are old, but I'm mostly concerned with MPH, and I think that 104s is possible, which should be good to go 12s if someone other than me is driving.

On erospeed's ET & MPH; I just think that we're not getting the whole story. Either the car has other mods, or the numbers from that track are off, specially considering the typical weather conditions in PR.
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Old 07-15-2002, 03:14 PM   #23
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Guys: Here's the thread of the timeslip photo. I WILL NOT make any comments on how the run was made. (Someone already said how it was done!)

Dug-E: TurboXS Modchip

You guys read the timeslip and you'll know.

12.81@108mph - Erospeed Run

There are 3 WRXs down here with Stage 4, and some other mods...They are constatnly in 13.0s @ 105Mph We have no AWD dyno's, but I know that Auto Plaza Tuners have worked with Phil and they're trying their best. You know it's no easy task without dyno and 90s+ hot, humid weather.

Once we hit 12s I will post video and timeslip if Im there...

Our track's times are NOT offset... In fact... you run against wind at Carolina...plus it doesn't hook that well. Salina's another story, but clucth, and the 1-2 shift I think is giving us some hard work. (Maybe afraid to break the tranny...)

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The Stage 4 kit from TXS runs a larger VF30 turbo... not a stock turbo... PLUS, I seriously doubt that Mark and Phil would knowingly send you a Unichip actually tuned to run a stock turbo at 20 psi... As far as I know, their Stage 1-3 Unichips have a built in fuel cut defender set at 20.5, same with Stage 4 I think....

So, how are you running a stock turbo to 20 psi on a TXS Unichip that was tuned for a Stage 4 kit? You'd still take the chance of hitting fuel cut. Perhaps you have a custom tuned chip... but I dont think running the stock turbo that hard would have any benefit... I also dont think Mark and Phil would send you something like that especially under warmer than US conditions.

I could be wrong... I am not trying to flame here, just some of the stuff doesn't add up. I hated when people doubted my times.... and I dont want to come off as a hypocrite... but we need more...

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dug-e-fresh:

Seems you don't get it... Im NOT defending Erospeed post in ANY way.... I just said.. "Take a look at the timeslip and you'll know how the pass was run". You guys are more than smart to figure out. I just want to be in a "neutral position" between you and Erospeed, since I have NOTHING to do with his run. I was just there when they ran the 12.8 and took a photo of the timeslip, that's all.

Personally I would NOT run my Stage2 more that ~16 - 16.5psi (Actually Stage 1-1/2 since I run stock muffler)
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