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Old 02-25-2011, 01:51 PM   #1
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The convertible version of Cadillac’s 2014 3 Series-fighter, being designed under the codename ATS, will be a soft top, rather than a folding hardtop model. While the current BMW 3 Series convertible has a folding metal top, Cadillac’s decision saves money, complexity, and weight while lending the car a classic ragtop look. The ATS, a rear-drive car that will be smaller than the current Cadillac CTS, will be offered in sedan, coupe, convertible, and wagon body styles. It’s unlikely that all body styles will be offered when the car is launched some time in ’13, and the wagon may be offered in Europe only, depending on the sales success of the current CTS Sportwagon.

There has been a lot of speculation on what engine a Cadillac ATS-v (not its final name) would have. We’ve heard Cadillac is considering a twin-turbo 3.2-liter V-6, though recent reports suggest it will be the CTS-v’s supercharged 6.2-liter small-block V-8, making 470 horsepower. The 3.2-liter engine would be based on the V-6 GM developed with Fiat for Alfa Romeo models, reoriented to a longitudinal layout for the RWD Caddy.
The ATS-v may be a ’14 model, but we’ll predict that, like the CTS-v, it will launch up to a year after the standard ATS, as a ’15. That gives Cadillac a bit more time to decide between the two engines. Because it’s an overhead valve engine, the supercharged small block would fit and wouldn’t add too much weight to the ATS while competing with Mercedes AMG models. The twin-turbo V-6, though, would compete more directly with the next-generation M3 in terms of balancing power and responsible fuel efficiency.
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Old 02-25-2011, 02:28 PM   #2
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Old 02-25-2011, 03:55 PM   #3
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V8 >>> V6. Roaawr.
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Old 02-25-2011, 08:31 PM   #4
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GM should buy license to the V8 used in the Ariel Atom:

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Center of the Atom V8 is the lightweight 3 litre normally aspirated engine built for Ariel in the USA. Flat plane crank, forged pistons, chain driven double overhead cam with 4 valves per cylinder and revving to 10,500 rpm, the all alloy and aluminium engine has race car specification throughout. Dry sump lubrication, 8 throttle bodies with sequential fuel injection and ceramic coated stainless exhaust are all part of the standard specification and, due to the compact nature of the engine, the installation fits perfectly in to the Atom engine bay. Each engine is individually tested, signed off and numbered to match the number of the car.
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Old 02-25-2011, 09:59 PM   #5
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DI V8 would do it for ats-v.. dont think it will get supercharger
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Old 02-26-2011, 07:35 AM   #6
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They will want an ATS-V to be an M3 killer. I bet they put a 500+hp supercharged motor in if it fits. Why wouldn't they?

(and it would instantly jump to the top of my wish list)
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Old 02-26-2011, 10:40 AM   #7
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because it would cannibalize sales of cts-v, the flagship.
because it would not comply with 2015 epa standards
because it would be a gas guzzler
because it would make it front heavy car.
because it's a heavy engine


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They will want an ATS-V to be an M3 killer. I bet they put a 500+hp supercharged motor in if it fits. Why wouldn't they?

(and it would instantly jump to the top of my wish list)
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Old 02-26-2011, 10:48 AM   #8
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because it would cannibalize sales of cts-v, the flagship.
because it would not comply with 2015 epa standards
because it would be a gas guzzler
because it would make it front heavy car.
because it's a heavy engine
i dont see how the M3 is "cannibalizing" the M5 sales though. they will just need to detune the LSA a bit in the ats-v.
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Old 02-26-2011, 01:37 PM   #9
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because it would cannibalize sales of cts-v, the flagship.
because it would not comply with 2015 epa standards
because it would be a gas guzzler
because it would make it front heavy car.
because it's a heavy engine
Because it will be the size smaller than the CTS-V (ATS is to CTS as MB Class or 3 series is to E class or 5 series)
Because EPA standards view a car as part of a lineup, this will be offset by a huge number of turbo 4 and V6 models. Not to mention possible diesels or hybrids.
Because current V hangs with current AMG and M vehicles as far as performance and MPG, it will compete in that market.
Because current GM V-8s are actually very light for their displacements. And the rear drive platform places the motor far back, making for a good weight balance...this is no Audi.
Because again, the motor isn't a huge boat anchor as you seem to think.


I could see an ATS-V being an AMG C63 fighter with the V-8, the also offering the 3.6 V6TT as a BMW 335 fighter. Then base 3.whatever V6 and a 2.0 ecotec as a base.

This platform is rumoured to be for the next gen camaro, and also a few others in the GM universe. Could be interesting, and I'm sure GM would want to engineer in options such as hybrids, diesels, and AWD.
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If the current CTS-V were slightly smaller and lighter, it would be my ideal dream car. The ATS-V has the potential to be that car. Build it, and I WILL try my best to afford it and buy it.
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Because current V hangs with current AMG and M vehicles as far as performance and MPG, it will compete in that market.
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I could see an ATS-V being an AMG C63 fighter with the V-8, the also offering the 3.6 V6TT as a BMW 335 fighter. Then base 3.whatever V6 and a 2.0 ecotec as a base.
it will hang with AMG and M performance wise but never image wise... and thats a huge factor when you are spending that much $$ on a car. Seeing the stereotypical driving Escalades sure does NOT make me want to own a caddy.... ever.
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it will hang with AMG and M performance wise but never image wise... and thats a huge factor when you are spending that much $$ on a car. Seeing the stereotypical driving Escalades sure does NOT make me want to own a caddy.... ever.
I don't count the Escalade as anything more than a well marketed Chevy.
The rest of Caddy's lineup is looking a bit thin. The SRX is doing well as a Lexus RX fighter. The STS and DTS are not long for this world. I hope this is just a lull as they regroup.

That said, the CTSV is the only car to even approach the German competition in cache. I said approach.
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I am with Derbagger on this. I think the Escalade is targeted to a certain market, like those with more money than automotive sense. The V cars are no such animal. As much as I hate GM, You have to stand back and look at cars like the vette and the CTS adn CTSV as impressive cars. If it were me, I would do the following

I would do the following. There is no way the ATS will be light weight, meaning less than 3500 lbs. So I think that should realistically rule out the ecotec for its V series, however, the uprated turbo ecotec in the regal, would be a great base model engined for the ATS. Then, I think what you have to do is put the CTS's DI V6 in there with a bit of a tune, and target 330 HP, which should be a breeze since it already makes 300 ish. Make sure you can get a manual in it, and call it a day. OR, if they want to take on the M3, which I think is dumb and they should not try, supercharge the DI V6 from the CTS. But DO NOT put another Pushrod V8 in this car. Because if you do, I will be VERY tempted to buy one! (Because it would be a smaller, nicer G8, which I still kick myself for not buying)
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That said, the CTSV is the only car to even approach the German competition in cache. I said approach.
i assume you meant cachet?...
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i assume you meant cachet?...
No, I mean like computer numbers.

Give me a break...I was tired...and a little drunk...and spellcheck isn't homonym check...and your mother wears combat boots.
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