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Old 02-27-2011, 09:12 AM   #1
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When announcing the new Ypsilon’s key role in Lancia’s turnaround strategy at a press event Carscoop attended in Turin, Italy, earlier this week, company officials told us that the small car could be sold in the States under the Chrysler brand if American buyers will show enough interest towards the recently launched U.S.-spec Fiat 500. Furthermore,
the same could happen with the Delta.



On the other hand, Lancia's people told us the company has no plans to revive famous nameplates such as the HF Integrale and Fulvia, simply stating that there’s no market for Lancia sports cars.


Although in its current state, the new Ypsilon doesn’t comply with U.S. standards, Lancia Product Manager Claudio Nervi told us that it could be “easily federalized” and that logistically “it's not a problem, as the Ypsilon could be produced at the [Fiat Group’s] Mexican plant”. However, Nervi also pointed out the decision depends “on the performance of the Fiat 500 in the US”.

Should a Chrysler variant of the Ypsilon get the green light, the styling will not be altered. "Changes will be mostly technical, regarding especially the electrics of the car”, Nervi told Carscoop.

The Chrysler version of the Delta hatchback, which was shown at the 2010 Detroit Motor Show, could also join the Ypsilon in the U.S. According to Claudio Nervi, the show car was well received by the American public, but a final decision has not yet been made.

As far as sports cars are concerned, the news isn't good for Lancia fans. “Lancia stands for comfort, craftsmanship and luxury. We want to grow based on these values”, said Nervi adding that Lancia isn’t “trying to deny it’s past, but it needs volume first”, which cannot be provided by a revived HF Integrale or Fulvia.

Lancia Communications Director Rino Drogo also pointed out that “customer preference has shifted over the years and clients aren’t looking for sporty Lancias anymore”.

“Let’s leave the sports cars for our cousin Alfa Romeo, who has sportiness in its DNA”, Nervi concluded.
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Old 02-27-2011, 09:48 AM   #2
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So help me God, if you release the Delta under a chyrsler badge I will come and beat you to death with my 1:24 die cast model of an integrale in martini racing livery.

I am not kidding. I would rather it NOT come than to let Chrysler ruin a rally legend.

As for that last sentence about lancia not making sporty cars anymore???

have you forgotten all your heritage you ass hat

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Old 02-27-2011, 09:51 AM   #3
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looks ugly enough.... stay wherever you are and dont come to the states.
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Old 02-27-2011, 12:57 PM   #4
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looks ugly enough.... stay wherever you are and dont come to the states.

Yeah it's pretty darn ugly. It looks like the Buick Rendezvous if they decided to keep it going. Blech, stay away.
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Old 02-27-2011, 03:28 PM   #5
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So help me God, if you release the Delta under a chyrsler badge I will come and beat you to death with my 1:24 die cast model of an integrale in martini racing livery.

I am not kidding. I would rather it NOT come than to let Chrysler ruin a rally legend.

As for that last sentence about lancia not making sporty cars anymore???

have you forgotten all your heritage you ass hat

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You're dumb.

But yes, the last thing we need in this country are more badge engineered Chrysler products.
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Old 02-28-2011, 10:28 AM   #6
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So help me God, if you release the Delta under a chyrsler badge I will come and beat you to death with my 1:24 die cast model of an integrale in martini racing livery.

I am not kidding. I would rather it NOT come than to let Chrysler ruin a rally legend.

As for that last sentence about lancia not making sporty cars anymore???

have you forgotten all your heritage you ass hat

Fulvia
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I personally think it's a perfect marriage and could end up as not only most unreliable cars that fall apart, but the ugliest, most boring, most unreliable cars that fall apart.
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Old 02-28-2011, 12:42 PM   #7
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So help me God, if you release the Delta under a chyrsler badge I will come and beat you to death with my 1:24 die cast model of an integrale in martini racing livery.

I am not kidding. I would rather it NOT come than to let Chrysler ruin a rally legend.

As for that last sentence about lancia not making sporty cars anymore???

have you forgotten all your heritage you ass hat

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404 rally legend not found. The new Delta is as much of a rally legend as the Tribeca is.

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Old 02-28-2011, 12:55 PM   #8
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404 rally legend not found. The new Delta is as much of a rally legend as the Tribeca is.

, I don't think Scrappy was calling the Delta a rally legend, I think he was referring the the brand itself.
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Old 02-28-2011, 01:02 PM   #9
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, I don't think Scrappy was calling the Delta a rally legend, I think he was referring the the brand itself.
Lancia has not been a performance brand in twenty years and he said that he'd get mad if they released the new yuppie Delta as a Chrysler because it's diluting their rally heritage.

If they were releasing the Integrale as a Chrysler, I could understand, but this thing has nothing to do with the old Delta.
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Old 02-28-2011, 03:04 PM   #10
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... but this thing has nothing to do with the old Delta.
sadly

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Old 02-28-2011, 04:54 PM   #11
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So help me God, if you release the Delta under a chyrsler badge I will come and beat you to death with my 1:24 die cast model of an integrale in martini racing livery.

I am not kidding. I would rather it NOT come than to let Chrysler ruin a rally legend.

As for that last sentence about lancia not making sporty cars anymore???

have you forgotten all your heritage you ass hat

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Just have them mass-produce the F430 based Stratos one-off and bring it here. Then, Chrysler can be forgiven.
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Old 02-28-2011, 06:49 PM   #12
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The Lancia Delta was never a sports car. Even in the "heyday" of the '80s, it was a only-slightly-upmarket economy car that most commonly was sold with a 1300cc engine that sounded like a sewing machine. The Delta Integrale shared almost no parts at all with a standard Lancia Delta... totally different mechanicals, different sheet metal, even the chassis itself was different.





404: Rally Legend Not Found
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Old 02-28-2011, 07:56 PM   #13
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Well that is like saying all the impreza 2.5i guys cannot bask in the glory that is the Subaru heritage.

But I know what you guys are getting at. In my heart, I mean the integrale
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Old 03-01-2011, 08:32 AM   #14
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scrappy ...i'm with you:



when Subaru was WINNING in WRC with these monsters:




that vast majority of Imprezas world wide were like :



....economy cars that most commonly were sold with tiny engines
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Old 03-01-2011, 11:28 AM   #15
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when Subaru was WINNING in WRC with these monsters:
that vast majority of Imprezas world wide were like :

....economy cars that most commonly were sold with tiny engines
Yes, but the Impreza is a platform that was designed from the ground up for rally, with significant input from Prodrive following the Legacy rally project. It's a lightweight AWD platform with excellent balance specifically due to that heritage and design "DNA".

The Lancia Delta, on the other hand, was never any of those things. It was an economic family car that was later tarted up with an insane drivetrain and sheet metal because at the time Lancia lacked a decent platform for a competition vehicle. There's nothing about the platform itself that makes it particularly rally-worthy. They could just as easily have built a Group B rally car out of a Dodge Caravan, and the drivetrain changes would probably have been easier to implement.

It's not like the Renault "Le Car" R5 Turbo, which following its demented engine-to-the-back formula started a tradition of insane Renault super-hatches. The Lancia Delta was always a family car first, and a "sporty" car later. Let's be serious... even the "Evo2" version of the Integrale only had 212hp in its most powerful publicly-sold version, and weighed almost as much as a modern WRX.

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Old 03-01-2011, 11:37 AM   #16
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That said... if anyone wants to buy me a Lancia Montecarlo (Scorpion) in good condition, I'm open for donations. I have a deep, unsatisfied longing for an 037 Group B replica in my life.
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....economy cars that most commonly were sold with tiny engines
and FWD. AWD was an expensive "option".

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That said... if anyone wants to buy me a Lancia Montecarlo (Scorpion) in good condition, I'm open for donations. I have a deep, unsatisfied longing for an 037 Group B replica in my life.
F that. Just get me a Stratos.

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F that. Just get me a Stratos.

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Build a kit Stratos! One of those with an EJ257 would be the ticket. Or hell, a smallblock V8.
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I appreciate their rally history as much as anyone but like Fiat, they've been gone from our market long enough that beyond rally fans I don't know if anyone has much memory of them. These days you might see some of the 1950s-60s models at car shows but beyond that I can't remember the last time I saw one on the road.

Where I grew up Fiats were rare enough but a handful of people had them, usually x1/9s or 124 Spiders; I even knew someone who had a Ritmo a/k/a Strada but that was considered a true oddball. You might've see a Montecarlo (Scorpion) once in a blue moon; even Alfas were more common.

Seems to me Chrysler needs to test the waters with the 500 and other Fiat-badged models before attempting to reintroduce the Lancia nameplate.
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I appreciate their rally history as much as anyone but like Fiat, they've been gone from our market long enough that beyond rally fans I don't know if anyone has much memory of them. These days you might see some of the 1950s-60s models at car shows but beyond that I can't remember the last time I saw one on the road.

Where I grew up Fiats were rare enough but a handful of people had them, usually x1/9s or 124 Spiders; I even knew someone who had a Ritmo a/k/a Strada but that was considered a true oddball. You might've see a Montecarlo (Scorpion) once in a blue moon; even Alfas were more common.

Seems to me Chrysler needs to test the waters with the 500 and other Fiat-badged models before attempting to reintroduce the Lancia nameplate.
Not to mention that people will have a harder time pronouncing Lancia correctly than Hyundai.
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Not to mention that people will have a harder time pronouncing Lancia correctly than Hyundai.
The opposite would be true for me.

I was a car nut even when I was a little kid. Dad would take me to the corner drug store (not a chain) to buy a Matchbox once a week and, if I was good, a Corgi once a month. The Matchboxes got playworn but I took good care of the Corgis and still have most of them. One of them was a Lancia, the Fulvia Sport Zagato coupe.



(Not mine but mine looks the same)

I thought it looked really cool until I saw the actual car which I thought looked cooler.

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As our friends on TopGear would tell you. Lancia was a pioneer at so many automotive milestones. They really were a great company
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