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Old 02-28-2011, 01:36 PM   #1
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Default 2012 Volkswagen Golf R loses power and choice of tranny on way to U.S.



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As part of its 2011 Geneva Motor Show festivities, Volkswagen is letting us loose behind the wheel of its range-topping Golf R, set to arrive in United States as a 2012 model. Production of the Stadeside-spec car begins at the automaker's Wolfsburg plant this November, and we've just learned how different our version of the Golf R will be from the model that's already on sale in Europe.

Don't worry we're still getting the same 2.0-liter turbocharged four-cylinder engine mated to the company's fourth-generation Haldex 4Motion all-wheel-drive system. But while the European car cranks out 270 horsepower and 258 pound-feet of torque, Volkswagen tells us that the U.S. car will produce something closer to 256 hp and 243 lb-ft (not yet confirmed). Still, that's 56 hp and 36 lb-ft more than the standard GTI, and since the Golf R is estimated to weigh around 3,300 pounds 250 pounds lighter than the most recent R32 the end result should be quite lively. Volkswagen is estimating that 0-62 mile-per-hour times will fall somewhere in the 5.7- to 5.9-second range.

As we reported earlier, the Golf R will only be offered with a six-speed manual transmission when it hits our shores. European cars can be had with Volkswagen's slick-shifting DSG unit, and we must admit, not offering the twin-clutch setup in the States seems like a curious omission, especially when you consider that the take rate on DSG in the less powerful GTI is around 50 percent. Still, Volkswagen says that its research with different enthusiast groups and dealers suggests that the vast majority of U.S. consumers have been clamoring for a row-your-own Golf R, and since the automaker had to keep the number of build options to a minimum in order to get the vehicle approved for American consumption, manual-only was the way they decided to go.

Follow the jump for more details on the U.S.-spec version of Volkswagen's Golf R hot hatch.
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Old 02-28-2011, 01:38 PM   #2
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at least it's not ugly like the new jetta
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Old 02-28-2011, 01:38 PM   #3
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That's okay.

Chicks will still want one.



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Old 02-28-2011, 02:27 PM   #4
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Damn I can't wait.

They'll all be the same power chipped... well over 300.

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Old 02-28-2011, 02:57 PM   #5
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HA manual only!

Power is no biggie. It can be tuned! Can't wait to actually see how this stacks up against the Evo and STI!
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Old 02-28-2011, 02:59 PM   #6
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Maybe i'm in the minority, but i applaud the manual instead of the DSG. If they had to pick either or, i'm glad with that. In a world where I never track a car, I'd rather have the fun of a real manual than the extra tenths of a DSG.
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Old 02-28-2011, 03:11 PM   #7
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The drop in HP/TQ is no big surprise as they did that for Japan and other warm climate countries stating that heat as a factor.
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Old 02-28-2011, 03:22 PM   #8
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I think this is great, the DSG kept me from even looking at the last R32. I hope that they can keep it relatively affordable.
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Old 02-28-2011, 03:26 PM   #9
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The drop in HP/TQ is no big surprise as they did that for Japan and other warm climate countries stating that heat as a factor.
Which seams kind of strange to me since it's the same drivetrain as the Audi TT-S and that has 265hp.
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Old 02-28-2011, 03:26 PM   #10
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And i agree with nhat. hate the new jetta. like that golf still. Not sure if i like it better than the previous gen, but it's still good looing to me. that new jetta, ick...
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Old 02-28-2011, 03:30 PM   #11
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The MKIV R32 had a slightly different intake from overseas but a vastly different suspension when it hit stateside. Hopefully they don't skimp on the suspension this time. A drop in HP/TQ can easily be overlooked with the availability of vag tuners/enthusiasts in the states eager to change that. Curious to find out if magnetic ride suspension will be an option or not.
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Old 02-28-2011, 03:47 PM   #12
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The MKIV R32 had a slightly different intake from overseas but a vastly different suspension when it hit stateside. Hopefully they don't skimp on the suspension this time. A drop in HP/TQ can easily be overlooked with the availability of vag tuners/enthusiasts in the states eager to change that. Curious to find out if magnetic ride suspension will be an option or not.
From all sources I've seen, it's no for the magnetic ride due to cost constraints. I think they're keeping that gem in the Audi lineup.

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Old 02-28-2011, 03:56 PM   #13
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The drop in HP/TQ is no big surprise as they did that for Japan and other warm climate countries stating that heat as a factor.
It gets pretty hot in Italy, Spain, Greece, Portugal, etc
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Old 02-28-2011, 04:06 PM   #14
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Maybe i'm in the minority, but i applaud the manual instead of the DSG. If they had to pick either or, i'm glad with that. In a world where I never track a car, I'd rather have the fun of a real manual than the extra tenths of a DSG.
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I think this is great, the DSG kept me from even looking at the last R32. I hope that they can keep it relatively affordable.

I'm glad they stuck with the MT. The 4-door version of this in white will most likely be my wagon replacement if the price is right.
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Old 02-28-2011, 04:16 PM   #15
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The drop in HP/TQ is no big surprise as they did that for Japan and other warm climate countries stating that heat as a factor.
so to combat heat, VAG detuned it instead of upgrading the cooling?
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Old 02-28-2011, 04:29 PM   #16
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at least it's not ugly like the new jetta
I agree that the new jetta is really ugly and plain looking, but I have a strange feeling that they are using this body style as a stepping stone for a really retro looking next gen.
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Old 02-28-2011, 05:24 PM   #17
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less power? that's just silly. maybe they want to repeat history...
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Old 02-28-2011, 05:28 PM   #18
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what a rip i read in motortrend and char and driver that they want the starting price for this to be around 50K
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Old 02-28-2011, 05:31 PM   #19
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I think this is great, the DSG kept me from even looking at the last R32. I hope that they can keep it relatively affordable.
The article mentions $33,000.
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Old 02-28-2011, 05:37 PM   #20
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I seriously doubt this will be $33k. I'd expect more like $40k. One thing VW is great at is pricing themselves out of the market, and I expect this model will be no different.
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Old 02-28-2011, 05:44 PM   #21
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I also doubt $33k.

Less power? Lame, but no problem. Flash.

No DSG? SUKIT auto lovers. Stick4lyfe.

Waiting to test drive.
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Old 02-28-2011, 06:19 PM   #22
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so to combat heat, VAG detuned it instead of upgrading the cooling?
The cooling system is not the problem. Barreling down the autobahn at 150 mph on a hot day is a lot harder on the cooling system than anything you can do in Florida without getting arrested.

However, much of Asia and the US have warm weather coupled with lower octane fuel.
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Old 02-28-2011, 06:34 PM   #23
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I'm glad they stuck with the MT. The 4-door version of this in white will most likely be my wagon replacement if the price is right.
There was no 4-door R32. There probably won't be for this model, either.
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Old 02-28-2011, 06:55 PM   #24
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i love the fact that if you can't drive manual you cant have this car.
what sucks is that im sure this thing will cost $35k
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Old 02-28-2011, 07:02 PM   #25
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Well, if an STI can cost 39000+ A nice 4 door Version of this car is hardly unreasonable. Considering its far more sophisticated engine, better materials, better fit and finish, better paint, etc. If we get it for 35k, I think it is a darn fine deal.

And praise the automotive gods for making this a manual only car! WHAHOOO
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