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Old 03-01-2011, 06:08 PM   #1
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I'd like to know if there's place for a street car that would worth to be seam weld! like easy place to do it but that will stiff the car enough to worth it to be done. Also if there's some custom brace that can be done (like some parts of a cage.. x-brace between tower rear shock??) to stiff the car and still have full interior and look like stock

pictures qould be apreciate

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Old 03-02-2011, 12:24 AM   #2
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just put seam welding out of you mind....it aint happenin unless YOU are gonna do it yourself and it is FAR-FAR more complicated than you ever imagined it would be

as for the rest????


keep lookin
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Old 03-02-2011, 02:28 AM   #3
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just put seam welding out of you mind....it aint happenin unless YOU are gonna do it yourself and it is FAR-FAR more complicated than you ever imagined it would be

as for the rest????


keep lookin

And now time for a helpful reply,

Seek out the nearest motorsport prep shop and have them seam weld it up. It might take a while and cost a bundle, but maybe our French Canadian friend here has money to spend and another car.

Or get a welder like I did and learn how to use it. Welding pulls metal around, you can easily warp the chassis if you get crazy with the welder.

here is a X brace
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Old 03-02-2011, 02:51 PM   #4
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And now time for a helpful reply,

Seek out the nearest motorsport prep shop and have them seam weld it up. It might take a while and cost a bundle, but maybe our French Canadian friend here has money to spend and another car.

Or get a welder like I did and learn how to use it. Welding pulls metal around, you can easily warp the chassis if you get crazy with the welder.

here is a X brace



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I'd BET that the op is a kid who knows nothing about cars and read about race cars being seam welded

This SAME EXACT thing comes up, here, regularly...and the answers are not gonna change

If the OP is asking about it.....he aint gonna do it 'cuz he dont know what the job entails


and that IS a helpful reply
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Old 03-02-2011, 04:04 PM   #5
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oh...and chassis bracing is a far easier and less costly way of increasing chassis rigidity


and there are LOADS of braces that somebody could easily copy
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Old 03-02-2011, 06:26 PM   #6
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Hey Scotty!.. it' not because i'm not a ''scooby guru'' and that I don't spend my life on nasioc that I don't know anything on car!!!

I have the place.. the equipement.. and the time to do it.. the car have nothing in it... it's the time to do it before it's goes to the paintshop..

I just want to know if there's place(not all the car!!) that would help and worth to be done. Like one I see in a thread here.. that they weld the fender brace on the fender instead of buying one like cusco arce making

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Old 03-02-2011, 06:56 PM   #7
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put it on a rotisserie and start welding every seam you see. do it in little 1" welds to help keep from distorting the metal to much. spend the next week doing this and you will be good to go.
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Old 03-04-2011, 03:42 AM   #8
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Hey Scotty!.. it' not because i'm not a ''scooby guru'' and that I don't spend my life on nasioc that I don't know anything on car!!!

I have the place.. the equipement.. and the time to do it.. the car have nothing in it... it's the time to do it before it's goes to the paintshop..

I just want to know if there's place(not all the car!!) that would help and worth to be done. Like one I see in a thread here.. that they weld the fender brace on the fender instead of buying one like cusco arce making

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and I'd wanna see pics because I dont believe it.
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Old 03-04-2011, 09:24 AM   #9
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Hey Scotty!.. it' not because i'm not a ''scooby guru'' and that I don't spend my life on nasioc that I don't know anything on car!!!

I have the place.. the equipement.. and the time to do it.. the car have nothing in it... it's the time to do it before it's goes to the paintshop..

I just want to know if there's place(not all the car!!) that would help and worth to be done. Like one I see in a thread here.. that they weld the fender brace on the fender instead of buying one like cusco arce making

thanks
DAAAMN, I agree your NASIOC STATUS, doesnt always reflect you actual knowledge of cars or motorsports.
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Old 03-04-2011, 10:13 AM   #10
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I have a friend that is seam welding his 240 right now. He is a novice welder and its turning out great...do some more google research instead of nasioc
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Old 03-04-2011, 01:43 PM   #11
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and I'd wanna see pics because I dont believe it.

No Scotty people are tired of your crappy response and negativity. YES I do have the place, tools, and know how to do this as well and his question was MORE than good enough for discussion here. If you want pics of my shop including my two post lift I will gladly post. So get off the high horse and be constructive.

To the question, its alot of work to seam weld and quite nasty as the seam sealer needs to be cleaned off and while welding you will find its everywhere and the smoke is very bad for you so get a resperator. As far as where on the car its kinda how far do you want to go? and is it worth it on a street car, well its just your time and your equipment so anything will help but you may see diminished returns.
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Not to be a dick, but if you have to ask about it you probably aren't up for the task of it.

Welding looks very simple, but is so COMPLEX.

Practice on alot of scrap.
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Not to be a dick, but if you have to ask about it you probably aren't up for the task of it.
This is absurd. So asking questions is now an indication that somebody isn't up to a task?
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No; Just a basic question in such a complex task.

Most of this thread agrees.
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For such a basic question we sure seem to have trouble answering it...

OP- If I wasn't going to seam weld my entire car I guess I would just do around the strut towers and along the frame "rails" in the engine bay and along the bottom.

Look into expanding foam for the sills too. I have read that it is a great way to increase rigidity without much weight too.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it extreamly dangerous to seam weld a car without a cage, as you are eliminating all of your safety crumple zones?
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The cowl area (area behind the fenders) is one of the areas I would address first. Adding bracing to this area makes a big difference in rigidity. I would spend some time doing the seams around the front door hinges, in front of the windshield, and under the front fenders. Adding a diagonal brace here, from the area around the door hinges to the area behind the strut tower, will help a lot.
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The cowl area (area behind the fenders) is one of the areas I would address first. Adding bracing to this area makes a big difference in rigidity. I would spend some time doing the seams around the front door hinges, in front of the windshield, and under the front fenders. Adding a diagonal brace here, from the area around the door hinges to the area behind the strut tower, will help a lot.
Agreed. I have heard lots of ppl praise the bracing there under front fenders in front of the doors. Just bracing that area provides a noticeable improvement in handling, so I hear. Also, think about anything around strut towers and suspension pickup points. Fabing and welding in an X brace behind the back seats might be helpful. I could feel a difference when I temporarily removed the 2 bars behind my back seat and drove around.

I am probably going to seam weld my whole car this winter. Nice to hear I'm not the only one thinking about it.
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Brace ? Mine is a bit overkill



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It may be a bit less flimsy if you attach the core supports to something


Looking good!
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Are you talking about the missing radiator support (top and bottom) ?

I have an aftermarket subframe that will tie bottom ends together. Than there is aluminum crash bar to be installed.

The very top will stay disconnected because intercooler goes there. It may look flimsy but i can lift myself putting my hands on each side :P


In handling perspective you don't really need anything tied in the very front because anything after the crossmember has no effect in suspension behaviour (IMO)

But for structural safety it is recommended

Older pic to make test fitments.

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I'm well aware, hell they are made of plastic and bolt in on KIA's I figured you were going V mount with it. Looks secksay!
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