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Old 01-31-2013, 07:41 PM   #51
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The only reason I can think of that the WRX isn't that reliable is because people mod the crap out of them.
Meh-my stock WRX had to have two wheel bearings replaced, tons of warranty work prior to that and the head gasket blew at 105K miles. Not terribly reliable...
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Old 01-31-2013, 07:41 PM   #52
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Too many people mod the Wrx ,and mod it Wrong,blow a motor, or burn a clutch out ect...then put it back to stock,and then sometimes get warranty work okd on it. This reflects as a Subaru quality issue. Most sti owners have more money, and understand you have to pay to play. They fix their own mistakes, and cr is none the wiser. Regular impreza, well my mom drives one, never over 3k lol.
I believe you have trisomy 21.
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Old 01-31-2013, 07:50 PM   #53
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Why would you say something like that? Did you just learn that word? Anyways, I've read many a thread where this happens, then posts get edited away. People try and get the dealer to fix their mistakes.
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20k miles, indicator failure on the driver side, no other issues so far.
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Old 02-01-2013, 07:48 AM   #55
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Too many people mod the Wrx ,and mod it Wrong,blow a motor, or burn a clutch out ect...then put it back to stock,and then sometimes get warranty work okd on it. This reflects as a Subaru quality issue. Most sti owners have more money, and understand you have to pay to play. They fix their own mistakes, and cr is none the wiser. Regular impreza, well my mom drives one, never over 3k lol.
This is such a grossly generalized statement! "The lesser, more immature WRX owners regularly mod wrong and scam Subaru. The more sophisticated, higher class STI owner knows their car and fixes it themselves without scamming."

I understand your intent, but I've seen way more STIs that are riced out, raced out, and plain abused than I see WRXs. I think the fail rate for both are generally equal, except for the ringland failures, which I see more in the STI.
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Old 02-01-2013, 07:51 AM   #56
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Turbocharged cars with greater power are almost always going to be less reliable than their counterparts. It is what it is.
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Old 02-01-2013, 08:29 AM   #57
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Turbocharged cars with greater power are almost always going to be less reliable than their counterparts. It is what it is.
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most ppl unfortunately buy vehicles without even taking into account that performance cars WILL cost more and have things that go wrong that the regular version doesn't. Also they try to cheap out on routine maintenance and that can have very bad consequences.
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Turbocharged cars with greater power are almost always going to be less reliable than their counterparts. It is what it is.
This is, quite simply, the truth. Anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves. It's not to say you can't still have a reliable car, but the less moving parts involved, the better.
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This is such a grossly generalized statement! "The lesser, more immature WRX owners regularly mod wrong and scam Subaru. The more sophisticated, higher class STI owner knows their car and fixes it themselves without scamming."

I understand your intent, but I've seen way more STIs that are riced out, raced out, and plain abused than I see WRXs. I think the fail rate for both are generally equal, except for the ringland failures, which I see more in the STI.
I may be wrong, but we all are just speculating. I'm going off info that I personally read and see on several Subaru forum sites.
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I can agree with this, although it might be said that since the wrx is a "performance" model, people are more inclined to rag on them
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Old 02-01-2013, 02:28 PM   #61
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Subaru replaces a lot of engines compared to other manufacturers especially since 2009 which is coincidentally when the WRX dropped to below average reliability. It probably started with the bearing issue of hundreds of WRX's manufactured in August 2008 and the lean factory tune of 2008+ STI's (many owners have reported at IWSTI failed stock engines and there seems to be no correlation between babied stock or tuned as you either get a good engine or you don't). Also WRX owners are probably more anal about their cars than people that simply use their garden variety Imprezas as nothing more than grocery getters. Which means that more owners likely take their cars in for the crappy paint, squeaks and rattles, etc.
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Subaru replaces a lot of engines compared to other manufacturers especially since 2009 which is coincidentally when the WRX dropped to below average reliability. It probably started with the bearing issue of hundreds of WRX's manufactured in August 2008 and the lean factory tune of 2008+ STI's (many owners have reported at IWSTI failed stock engines and there seems to be no correlation between babied stock or tuned as you either get a good engine or you don't). Also WRX owners are probably more anal about their cars than people that simply use their garden variety Imprezas as nothing more than grocery getters. Which means that more owners likely take their cars in for the crappy paint, squeaks and rattles, etc.
From the countless amounts of reading and whatnot you can do, i totally agree with this statement. You can read yourself around in circles. Some say EJ255's are less reliable, some say they see more ringlands on STI's, and others say it has to do with modding.

The fact is, plenty of stock WRX's and STI's have seen ringland, and engine problems. The direct percentage ? no one will ever know exactly. Yes, of course modding will increase possibility of engine problems, and force them to arise quicker. Is it necissarily the engine ? well according to some, they have 100k, 200k, and some 300k miles, so i wouldnt point the finger so fast. Although i do truly belive the stock tune is no where near what it should be. By dyno results, it shows stock WRX's and STI's having timing problems with the ECU, also our cars run quite a bit lean, which can lead to ringland failure.

So maybe some get a better stock tune result ? Maybe some dont boost so often ? Maybe some just get lucky ? Who knows, but the end result is "You gotta pay to play." Sadly just quite a bit more expensive for us, having to tune after every little thing we do to the car. But i know all of us love our cars, we all know the feeling, and the Subaru community is amazing, so its all something we have to deal with.

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Old 02-21-2014, 08:24 AM   #63
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^This thread is a year old……….
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Old 09-09-2014, 04:05 PM   #64
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Yeah, well, there's so much to tell.

2012 WRX now has 94,000 miles on it. I get around.

Front air dam has caught 2 obstructions, replaced twice, $1000 each time. It is only 7 1/2" off the ground and brittle as a potato chip. Should be made of something that bounces back into shape, but no, it cracks and requires replacement. I try not to drive it much at night now 'cuz of the 18 wheeler "gators" laying all over the highway. One of those would be good for another $1000 repair.

Steering rack started leaking, replaced.

Brake light switch sticking, caused many problems with cruise control being disabled and check engine light coming on until that could be identified. Replaced under warranty.

Steering Wheel Angle Sensor is throwing codes. It is $700 to tear the steering column apart and replace. Not going to do it - that's too much - it only affects hill holder and the anti-skid system anyway.

Numerous tire problems, the wheels and tires at 17 inches don't tolerate the bad roads very well. Last time was a cracked wheel while I was 700 miles from home. Firestone store rounded up a guy that welded the aluminum wheel and straightened it in 1 day while I waited. $400.

Clutch died finally at 85,000 miles. The clutch slave cylinder had started leaking too. Both of those repaired for $2300.

Battery failed at 38,000 miles, 2000 miles out of warranty. $250 for the best one at Batteries Plus.

The accessory 110 volt inverter started blowing fuses while powering the same stuff it had been powering for over a year. Assume something failed, just pulled the fuse and use aftermarket inverters to power the laptop in the car.

The left front turn signal was blowing every 9 months. Replaced front turn signals with LEDs.

The LEDs caused fast cycling of the turn signals. Ordered a special turn signal module that would cycle them at the proper rate.

Oil drain plug began leaking. Took them 3 tries to get it right.

I drove my 2005 WRX in the same manner in the same general areas and it was bulletproof up to about 140,000 miles, having only the little sounder that squeaks when you lock or unlock the car fail at 35,000 miles. Replaced under warranty.

Rear brake pads failed at about 45,000 miles. Fine, I expect that, but you have to replace the disks too, as the rear disks are too thin to be turned. $600. I checked, and have heard others who experience the same thing, as weird as it is to have disks that are too thin to be turned. Bad design.

Only bright spot is the front brake pads that are still just fine at 94,000 miles. Don't ask me, I don't go to race tracks and abuse 'em but I do stop fairly quickly at times too.
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Yeah, well, there's so much to tell.

2012 WRX now has 94,000 miles on it. I get around.

Front air dam has caught 2 obstructions, replaced twice, $1000 each time. It is only 7 1/2" off the ground and brittle as a potato chip. Should be made of something that bounces back into shape, but no, it cracks and requires replacement. I try not to drive it much at night now 'cuz of the 18 wheeler "gators" laying all over the highway. One of those would be good for another $1000 repair.


Steering rack started leaking, replaced.

Brake light switch sticking, caused many problems with cruise control being disabled and check engine light coming on until that could be identified. Replaced under warranty.

Steering Wheel Angle Sensor is throwing codes. It is $700 to tear the steering column apart and replace. Not going to do it - that's too much - it only affects hill holder and the anti-skid system anyway.

Numerous tire problems, the wheels and tires at 17 inches don't tolerate the bad roads very well. Last time was a cracked wheel while I was 700 miles from home. Firestone store rounded up a guy that welded the aluminum wheel and straightened it in 1 day while I waited. $400.

Clutch died finally at 85,000 miles. The clutch slave cylinder had started leaking too. Both of those repaired for $2300.

Battery failed at 38,000 miles, 2000 miles out of warranty. $250 for the best one at Batteries Plus.

The accessory 110 volt inverter started blowing fuses while powering the same stuff it had been powering for over a year. Assume something failed, just pulled the fuse and use aftermarket inverters to power the laptop in the car.

The left front turn signal was blowing every 9 months. Replaced front turn signals with LEDs.

The LEDs caused fast cycling of the turn signals. Ordered a special turn signal module that would cycle them at the proper rate.

Oil drain plug began leaking. Took them 3 tries to get it right.

I drove my 2005 WRX in the same manner in the same general areas and it was bulletproof up to about 140,000 miles, having only the little sounder that squeaks when you lock or unlock the car fail at 35,000 miles. Replaced under warranty.

Rear brake pads failed at about 45,000 miles. Fine, I expect that, but you have to replace the disks too, as the rear disks are too thin to be turned. $600. I checked, and have heard others who experience the same thing, as weird as it is to have disks that are too thin to be turned. Bad design.

Only bright spot is the front brake pads that are still just fine at 94,000 miles. Don't ask me, I don't go to race tracks and abuse 'em but I do stop fairly quickly at times too.

Sounds more like abuse to me. That first "problem" set the pace for the whole thing.
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nothing like bringing super old threads back when the report was published in 2011
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Sounds more like abuse to me. That first "problem" set the pace for the whole thing.
With those front brake pads still around? I would say the opposite.

Sounds like they don't build them as well as they used to......
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With those front brake pads still around? I would say the opposite.

Sounds like they don't build them as well as they used to......

If he's hitting things that dang much. Cracking wheels. There's really no tellin what the failures can be blamed on. But that IS a lot of abuse.
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Sounds more like abuse to me. That first "problem" set the pace for the whole thing.
So, tell me what sort of abuse would I have to do to get the battery to fail at about 1 year, have the inverter die while powering the exact same stuff (my laptop) for a year, have the turn signal light blow every 9 months, require the rear disks be replaced with the 1st brake pad replacement, have the brake light switch sticking from day 1 and confusing the electronics for about a year until it finally stuck permanently and could be identified, having the steering rack leak (no, I didn't hit anything), having the steering wheel angle sensor buried deep in the steering column die, and so forth. The wheels failing is undoubtedly from chuckholes, but I hit chuckholes with my Jeep and never have a problem. It is just the fragile wheels on a car that has 17's on it, that's all. BTW, I'm 67 and drive it at 55 most places unless I'm on a long trip, then am on the interstate at the SL + 7. There's no abuse here, it is just that this model is just... fragile. Gimmie my old 2005 vehicle back - I only got rid of it because of age-related stuff failing - power steering, radiator, stuff was going west every 6 weeks or so. But it had 190,000+ on it by the time I finally traded it on this one. Dunno if I'm gonna give Subaru another chance or not - really like the performance, but wow, expensive to own.
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If he's hitting things that dang much. Cracking wheels. There's really no tellin what the failures can be blamed on. But that IS a lot of abuse.
The wheel probably cracked when it hit a hole on Interstate 495 on the west side of DC. Holes are where you find 'em, and if there's this bottomless damn thing in the roadway on an interstate, there's not a damn thing I can do about it. The car should be able to withstand it. No other car I've ever had has had wheel problems like this.

The air dam caught a hill of dirt alongside the road when turning around once, and again when there was a discontinuity in the road at the edge. Any car I've ever had before would not have been damaged by either of those. Its just that this air dam is waaaaaaay out front of the wheels, and is suspended over the road like a vacuum cleaner nozzle. It hits things. Nothing I can do about that either. I end up parking waaaaay away from the curb when parking nose-in, just to be sure, but can do that 'cuz the car's so much shorter than most all the rest anyway, so at least that's something working it its favor.
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So, tell me what sort of abuse would I have to do to get the battery to fail at about 1 year, have the inverter die while powering the exact same stuff (my laptop) for a year(1), have the turn signal light blow every 9 months, require the rear disks be replaced with the 1st brake pad replacement, have the brake light switch sticking from day 1 and confusing the electronics for about a year until it finally stuck permanently and could be identified, having the steering rack leak (no, I didn't hit anything), having the steering wheel angle sensor buried deep in the steering column die, and so forth. The wheels failing is undoubtedly from chuckholes, but I hit chuckholes with my Jeep and never have a problem(2). It is just the fragile wheels on a car that has 17's on it, that's all. BTW, I'm 67 and drive it at 55 most places(3) unless I'm on a long trip, then am on the interstate at the SL + 7. There's no abuse here, it is just that this model is just... fragile. Gimmie my old 2005 vehicle back - I only got rid of it because of age-related stuff failing - power steering, radiator, stuff was going west every 6 weeks or so. But it had 190,000+ on it by the time I finally traded it on this one. Dunno if I'm gonna give Subaru another chance or not - really like the performance, but wow, expensive to own.
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The wheel probably cracked when it hit a hole on Interstate 495 on the west side of DC. Holes are where you find 'em, and if there's this bottomless damn thing in the roadway on an interstate, there's not a damn thing I can do about it(4). The car should be able to withstand it. No other car I've ever had has had wheel problems like this.

The air dam caught a hill of dirt alongside the road when turning around once, and again when there was a discontinuity in the road at the edge. Any car I've ever had before would not have been damaged by either of those. Its just that this air dam is waaaaaaay out front of the wheels, and is suspended over the road like a vacuum cleaner nozzle. It hits things. Nothing I can do about that either.(5) I end up parking waaaaay away from the curb when parking nose-in, just to be sure, but can do that 'cuz the car's so much shorter than most all the rest anyway, so at least that's something working it its favor.
(1) Sounds like you are a business person? Powering things from the car? How often did you do that with the engine off? Don't answer. Not likely to believe you.

(2)You are seriously comparing WRX wheels to Jeep wheels? Really?

(3)You should be paying enough attention to miss pot holes. Not saying people don't. Just funny you're blaming the car for breaking.

(4)&(5) How is there nothing you can do about hitting things? Do they just jump out at you at the very last second? You are apparently very aware of your clearances and yet you still hit things.
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(1) Sounds like you are a business person? Powering things from the car? How often did you do that with the engine off? Don't answer. Not likely to believe you.
Not business. Retired. Just got back from a "vacation" style trip to Wisconsin and back, stopping at places like the Peoria Pair-A-Dice Casino, the Indianapolis Indiana Grand Casino, Air Force Museum, Edison's Birthplace Museum, Greenfield Village at the Henry Ford Museum, The Findlay (Ohio) Hamfest, and Cedar Point Amusement Park. I get around. The trip was 3576 miles. Had a great time, and amazingly, nothing broke this time.

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OK, lets compare 'em to my 2005 WRX wheels, which also didn't need welded. I _did_ manage to bend one I think. Just one. This machine has had multiple instances. 17" aluminum wheels are just asking for trouble, and should be 16" or 15". Those would likely be strong enough. But these are weak. Too weak. And expensive - they're $400 each, Subaru don't stock 'em, and I had to order one that took 3 weeks to get. Next time that happens, I'm going to install aftermarket. They'll probably bend too, but will only be $160 or so to replace and can be had overnight from someplace like the TIre Rack.

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(3)You should be paying enough attention to miss pot holes. Not saying people don't. Just funny you're blaming the car for breaking.
You're crazy. You can't make a sudden movement like that at 70 mph on an interstate filled with cars, as the one around DC always is. Following distance is not 2 seconds - if it was, rush hour would last until midnight. People bunch up and drive like Hell. You either do that, or take a different route.


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(4)&(5) How is there nothing you can do about hitting things? Do they just jump out at you at the very last second? You are apparently very aware of your clearances and yet you still hit things.
I don't hit them any more, now that I know how damned fragile this thing is, but the occasional black truck tire gator in the dark is not going to be avoidable at 77 mph. The limit is 70 in a lot of the states I was driving, so I drive 77. Only, I mostly don't drive at night any more because of this problem. As for the chuckholes, I never even saw that one at all. There's lots of "discontinuities" in the roadway, and no way to tell if they're 3" deep or 12". I think the one on 495 was probably closer to 12 than 3. That was a serious shock.
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(1) Sounds like you are a business person? Powering things from the car? How often did you do that with the engine off? Don't answer. Not likely to believe you.

(2)You are seriously comparing WRX wheels to Jeep wheels? Really?

(3)You should be paying enough attention to miss pot holes. Not saying people don't. Just funny you're blaming the car for breaking.

(4)&(5) How is there nothing you can do about hitting things? Do they just jump out at you at the very last second? You are apparently very aware of your clearances and yet you still hit things.
I was about to post the exact same thing until I saw your post.
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Own it people. These are cheap pieces of **** that get cheaper every year. What was the base wrx in 2002?
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