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Old 03-03-2011, 08:17 AM   #1
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GENEVA -- Ford Motor Co.'s design studios worldwide will provide styling ideas for an American icon: the next generation Mustang.
"It is a common process we [now] use on every vehicle," Derrick Kuzak, Ford's group vice president for global product development, said today at the Geneva auto show.

Ford's next-generation pony car will be the first Mustang with styling themes proposed by studios in Europe, Australia and other regions. Previously, Ford's U.S. studio was solely responsible for Mustang design.
"When we embark on a new product, particularly one that is all new, it involves all of the studios. Then J [Mays] and the design team pick the best of those themes," Kuzak told Automotive News. Mays is Ford's global design chief. Ford adopted the global design approach three years ago.
Kuzak did not say when the redesigned Mustang is due. However, industry sources say the new sports coupe will debut in the 2014 or 2015 model year.

While the final styling theme might come from outside the United States, he said, Ford's Dearborn, Mich., studio will have responsibility to turn the selected styling theme into a production vehicle.

Kuzak said the new Ranger pickup is the latest example of product cooperation undertaken by Ford's studios.

"The Ranger was done by the Australian studio with input from the European studio," Kuzak said during an interview at the show. The Ranger is the first global Ford vehicle designed by the Australian subsidiary.
The Ranger pickup was introduced last year and will be sold outside North America beginning later this year.

Kuzak said the Mustang "is not just an icon in North America, it is an icon globally."

Ford has conducted Mustang clinics in Asia and Europe. He said men and women within a wide range of ages were shown photographs of celebrities and asked, which person represents the Mustang?

The No. 1 person selected was Steve McQueen.

McQueen appeared in the 1968 movie "Bullitt," which included a high-speed chase sequence involving a Mustang driven by McQueen on the hilly streets of San Francisco

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Old 03-03-2011, 10:28 AM   #2
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How about styling it with an independent rear suspension?

There's a new Bullitt Mustang with California plates parked over on Plymouth Ave downtown with about twenty faded parking tickets on its windshield. I've been wondering why it hasn't been towed yet, but Plymouth is virtually and alley and it's not very busy.
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The Camaro was designed by a Russian guy and a Korean guy and the front looks cheap and the rear is ungainly. Ford needs to be careful, aside from Australia, nowhere in Asia or Europe do the desires of customers there make it worthwhile to override the demands of the American consumers that keep the Mustang afloat.
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What i want to know is, when are they going to drop either of the mustang motors into a sedan? Something like a Focus with with 300 horses, RWD, and 30 mpg would be perfect for me.
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What i want to know is, when are they going to drop either of the mustang motors into a sedan? Something like a Focus with with 300 horses, RWD, and 30 mpg would be perfect for me.
Time for ppl who want sports car characteristics to grow a pair of balls and accept the downfalls of a true sports car. No more of this diluted "multi-purpose" vehicles for people who are "enthusiasts" but don't want to make sacrifices. There are always sacrifices.

TLDR version: If you want a sports car buy one, if you need something other than a sports car but want one and cant afford both then make a priority call.
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Old 03-03-2011, 01:16 PM   #6
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What i want to know is, when are they going to drop either of the mustang motors into a sedan? Something like a Focus with with 300 horses, RWD, and 30 mpg would be perfect for me.
Somehow I don't think the Focus would be the platform for that drivetrain. Something like the Taurus or the Australian Falcon might be another matter. Since most people who remember the Falcon as Ford's first domestic compact are well over 40, might it be time to resurrect that nameplate?

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Time for ppl who want sports car characteristics to grow a pair of balls and accept the downfalls of a true sports car. No more of this diluted "multi-purpose" vehicles for people who are "enthusiasts" but don't want to make sacrifices. There are always sacrifices.

TLDR version: If you want a sports car buy one, if you need something other than a sports car but want one and cant afford both then make a priority call.
Not going to debate definitions of "sports car" here but it's already well established that high performance isn't strictly a function of number of doors, seats or roof structure.
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When Americans travel abroad, they might catch the odd glimpse of a FordMustang. If they’re especially lucky, they might even find a classic in Paris. But if there’s a car left on the market that exemplifies the values that once defined American cars, it’s the Mustang. After all, the Mustang was not only born in the US, it became more than a car because of the way it tapped so deftly into the American psyche. Developed for American tastes, the Mustang has done best when it clings to the simplicity of the formula that made it an icon. Which is why it’s a bit puzzling to hear Ford telling Automotive News [sub] that the next Mustang will be designed based on styling themes from Ford’s global design studios, rather than the US-based team that has always taken the lead on Mustang design.

Which is not to say that only an American can design a Mustang: after all, some of the most “American” contemporary designs come from studios around the world. The problem, rather, seems to be that Ford’s Product Development boss Derrick Kuzak sees the Mustang as
is not just an icon in North America, it is an icon globally
Yes, it’s true. Early Mustangs were especially beloved in Europe, and there are certainly cult followers around the world, but surely Kuzak realizes that the Mustang is largely an “icon” due to its American-ness. In markets where front-drive hatches and Euro-sportsters rule, the Mustang’s throaty V8, live rear axle and evocative looks make it a symbol of rebellious cool. Is it possible that design teams in Australia, Germany and Asia can actually help mythologize into the Mustang’s uniquely American identity? Sure. And you can even make the argument that the current Mustang’s design is showing the need for some fresh perspective. Let’s just hope the lessons of the Ford Probe have been well-learned…
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The Camaro was designed by a Russian guy and a Korean guy and the front looks cheap and the rear is ungainly. Ford needs to be careful, aside from Australia, nowhere in Asia or Europe do the desires of customers there make it worthwhile to override the demands of the American consumers that keep the Mustang afloat.
Exterior styling is probably the main selling point for the Camaro. I would consider it a pretty big success considering it outsells the Mustang with similar performance and much worse interior.
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That 5.0 is a beast that's all I care about !!!
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Early Mustangs were especially beloved in Europe, and there are certainly cult followers around the world, but surely Kuzak realizes that the Mustang is largely an “icon” due to its American-ness. In markets where front-drive hatches and Euro-sportsters rule, the Mustang’s throaty V8, live rear axle and evocative looks make it a symbol of rebellious cool.
I'm very familiar with the Ford T-5.



Full disclosure in case I haven't made it already: The first car I owned was a '66 Mustang hardtop, 289/2v, C-4. The first car I drove on a regular basis was a '62 Falcon sedan, 144, three-on-the-tree.

I wouldn't want to see the Probe story unfold again but part of me would like to see the Mustang's appearance (ditto the Camaro and Challenger) evolve beyond something that looks like Foose or Coddington could've designed it.
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People want it because it is classic and nostalgic. The last time the Mustang went all modern, it became the probe and didn't last.
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And that lesson is: don't let the accounting department dictate engineering decisions in an arbitrary fashion. It ruins the product.
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Time for ppl who want sports car characteristics to grow a pair of balls and accept the downfalls of a true sports car. No more of this diluted "multi-purpose" vehicles for people who are "enthusiasts" but don't want to make sacrifices. There are always sacrifices.

TLDR version: If you want a sports car buy one, if you need something other than a sports car but want one and cant afford both then make a priority call.
That's a brilliant idea. I'll call bmw, mercedes, cadillac, chrysler, porsche and all the other auto manufacturers making rwd sedans and let them know.

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Somehow I don't think the Focus would be the platform for that drivetrain. Something like the Taurus or the Australian Falcon might be another matter. Since most people who remember the Falcon as Ford's first domestic compact are well over 40, might it be time to resurrect that nameplate?



Not going to debate definitions of "sports car" here but it's already well established that high performance isn't strictly a function of number of doors, seats or roof structure.
The Focus drivetrain is already known. I'm going to test drive the ST for sure, along with the Mustangs. It just seems odd to me that they haven't put the mustang v6 in the Fusion. On paper it's a much better motor with more power and better mileage than the v6 motor in the Fusion. I guess maybe they're still proving it out.
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Time for ppl who want sports car characteristics to grow a pair of balls and accept the downfalls of a true sports car. No more of this diluted "multi-purpose" vehicles for people who are "enthusiasts" but don't want to make sacrifices. There are always sacrifices.

TLDR version: If you want a sports car buy one, if you need something other than a sports car but want one and cant afford both then make a priority call.
So... uhhh... your screen name is WRXHillClimb and you're tired of multi-purpose vehicles? Right?
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It just seems odd to me that they haven't put the mustang v6 in the Fusion. On paper it's a much better motor with more power and better mileage than the v6 motor in the Fusion. I guess maybe they're still proving it out.
/forehead slap for not thinking of the Fusion!
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I would think they would put the ecoboost 6 in the Fusion, hell they have it in the Flex.
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Time for ppl who want sports car characteristics to grow a pair of balls and accept the downfalls of a true sports car. No more of this diluted "multi-purpose" vehicles for people who are "enthusiasts" but don't want to make sacrifices. There are always sacrifices.

TLDR version: If you want a sports car buy one, if you need something other than a sports car but want one and cant afford both then make a priority call.
Where did you get sports car from that? All he described was a proper American sedan. Right now his only choices are the CTS-V and recently defunct Pontiac G8, and could broaden to the Falcon if only Ford would bring it over.
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if its going to be more 'autobahn friendly' in looks, performance, and passenger comforts....

expect a big jump in price for the next Mustang versions. With the Focus ST expected around the 27k range, the Mustang will be able to move up a few $k in price to keep itself precious.
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I wouldn't say big jump. The 2012 focus can get up to $28k with most of the options checked. (probably over $30k if you add in stuff like floor mats, cargo protector, ash tray, etc.). Heck, the Titanium version starts about the same price as a v6 Mustang. I just don't see a Focus ST and a Mustang being cross shopped. Like if Subaru offered an STI Forester; it probably wouldn't see many Impreza STI cross shoppers. They just appeal to different parts of the market. Sport compact people don't want a muscle car, and vice versa.

There will certainly be an increase due to developmental costs, but if they go the smaller/lighter route (as has been said) it may be offset to some extent by being cheaper to produce.
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So... uhhh... your screen name is WRXHillClimb and you're tired of multi-purpose vehicles? Right?

hahha you beat me to it. My thoughts exactly!
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I would think they would put the ecoboost 6 in the Fusion, hell they have it in the Flex.
Flex and MKT are Taurus/MKS based. All four have the EcoBoost 6/Faux-WD option.

Fusion is smaller, and more in common with the Edge and MKX, but those crossovers are still bigger than Fusion.

Now that Explorer is in the mix, Ford has more transverse-based CUVs than they know what to do with.
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