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Old 03-03-2011, 10:00 PM   #1
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I'm sure some people would love to compare their times to this
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Old 03-03-2011, 10:08 PM   #2
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That's pretty crazy.

I doubt people want to compare their times to a Prius, or whatever that thing is though. Knowing Google, it's a Prius.

I love how Google went from search engine to automated driving development though.
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That's pretty crazy.

I doubt people want to compare their times to a Prius, or whatever that thing is though. Knowing Google, it's a Prius.

I love how Google went from search engine to automated driving development though.
That does look like a prius.

This doesnt surprise me at all... google's got their hands in everything these days.
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Old 03-04-2011, 06:06 AM   #4
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that's terrifying. they're so close to the lamppost or whatever those are lol.
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Old 03-04-2011, 08:22 AM   #5
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I believe it was the head of Google (or whatever approximates the 'top guy' in a big corp. like that) who was quoted as saying that he can't believe people are actually allowed to drive cars for themselves on the roads.

So, they're apparently trying to take that little bit of joy away from us in the guise of 'safety', I guess? Don't let your monocle fall -directly- into your tea there.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/google...ing-cars/39769
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Old 03-04-2011, 09:25 AM   #6
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Skynet!
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Old 03-04-2011, 10:07 AM   #7
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Just one step closer.... IT'S COMING.
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Old 03-04-2011, 10:27 AM   #8
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I'm not impressed until I see a Stage Rally...

I wonder what it would do with limited traction?
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Old 03-04-2011, 11:17 AM   #9
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I know Volvo has been working on a car-avan system that allows cars to form a train on the interstate. They want you to be able to basically follow behind a semi with a bunch of cars and just zip along to work while reading the paper and drinking a cup of coffee. Of course the automated brakes and all that jazz factor in. You'll get better fuel economy too...yada yada yada. I've seen the test track videos here at work...

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Personally I don't care for driving on the streets. It's boring, people never pay attention, the only "excitement" is making sure bessy doing her nails while on the cell phone doesn't side swipe you and I feel like pulling my hair out at every stop light as people wait forever to move. No more drunk driving either. The sooner automated cars take over public roads the better. People who truly like driving will make motorsports bigger then it is currently since their main driving outlet is gone. Win-Win in my books.
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Old 03-04-2011, 12:23 PM   #11
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I sure wouldn't mind if other people had self driving cars. That would make them less dangerous to me. I would be more impressed if they set up a slalom. Also, an "auto-x" on the top of a parking garage is an interesting decision.
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Personally I don't care for driving on the streets. It's boring, people never pay attention, the only "excitement" is making sure bessy doing her nails while on the cell phone doesn't side swipe you and I feel like pulling my hair out at every stop light as people wait forever to move. No more drunk driving either. The sooner automated cars take over public roads the better. People who truly like driving will make motorsports bigger then it is currently since their main driving outlet is gone. Win-Win in my books.
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Old 03-04-2011, 03:36 PM   #13
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thats exactly what popped into my mind initially
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I am not ready to give up driving freedom for convenience and 'safety'... something-something-Voltaire-something (or was it Franklin?... crap... whatever).

The key to better fellow-motorists is better training and testing. I put the blame on the lax requirements for driving, not the bare fact that a human is behind the wheel. Fix the root cause of the apparent trouble... not the symptoms.

I'll happily keep my freedom to drive myself where I want, when I want. I likewise don't have to speed or drive unsafely to enjoy the process... if others find it tedious, fine, but not all of us do.
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Personally I don't care for driving on the streets. It's boring, people never pay attention, the only "excitement" is making sure bessy doing her nails while on the cell phone doesn't side swipe you and I feel like pulling my hair out at every stop light as people wait forever to move. No more drunk driving either. The sooner automated cars take over public roads the better. People who truly like driving will make motorsports bigger then it is currently since their main driving outlet is gone. Win-Win in my books.
I hate driving on roads
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Old 03-04-2011, 07:24 PM   #16
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The key to better fellow-motorists is better training and testing. I put the blame on the lax requirements for driving, not the bare fact that a human is behind the wheel. Fix the root cause of the apparent trouble... not the symptoms.
+11ty billion. People in Sweden have to do a lot more in order to obtain a license:

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Driving test for class B (car)

The student must show knowledge of how to do a standard check of the vehicle, like checking the brakes, the brake fluid, the lights etc.

Then there is the driving test. When it comes to B license you will go through three steps, city road (for example driving in a soft manner), highway (making sure you accelerate fast and yet drive safe for the environment and traffic safety), housing estate (making sure you are observant of people and pets that may move through these areas). The student must be able to handle traffic and know the traffic rules.
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+/- 3 feet isn't good enough for me to get in that car so close to immobile objects at 40 mph.

I'd love to let it do my driving errands for me though. More time for Angry Birds.

I really truly love that Google can do this but hasn't entered a vehicle in the DARPA initiative. HUGE props to them for that.
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There's a big issue with that. This is America and we have all different cultures as well as various age groups on the road. With that comes driving cultures too. Someone from Asia or India is going to have a drastically different driving style then what's normal here. When their kids are of age they teach them their way of driving. This just gets past down like the gospel. Even state to state it differs greatly. When you go to the DMV you don't even need to know english to get your license- and you want them to be trained right to drive which takes years? Ain't happening.

As it stands it's too late to educate the masses. There's too many drivers and 99% of them all feel they are the best drivers in the world and how they drive is right and everyone else is wrong. Otherwise they wouldn't drive the way they do. You just can't possibly re-educate at this point. The window was shut long ago and it just rusts in place worse year after year.

If automated cars made it to the mass stage, I wouldn't mind people manually driving so long as they pass strict driving tests. Strict driving tests we can't subject people to now. Though would it be possible who knows. I would assume so since a change like this couldn't happen over night.
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The video was fairly aggressive driving. (dangerous place for a test or just blind faith in the system).

It looked like the course was pre mapped in the computer and not reading the cones or anything so not much of a real world test.

I can see it happening! computer gets in over its Microprocessor on a slippery road and hands the driving to a real person. "manual mode". The opposite that happens now with stability control, ABS etc.
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that's terrifying. they're so close to the lamppost or whatever those are lol.
+1 major safety violation.

Also as someone else mentioned it sounded like they were working off of a course map and not the cones/visible layout. So how is this a test? or is it just a tech display/ ride?
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There's a big issue with that. This is America and we have all different cultures as well as various age groups on the road. With that comes driving cultures too. Someone from Asia or India is going to have a drastically different driving style then what's normal here. When their kids are of age they teach them their way of driving. This just gets past down like the gospel. Even state to state it differs greatly. When you go to the DMV you don't even need to know english to get your license- and you want them to be trained right to drive which takes years? Ain't happening.

As it stands it's too late to educate the masses. There's too many drivers and 99% of them all feel they are the best drivers in the world and how they drive is right and everyone else is wrong. Otherwise they wouldn't drive the way they do. You just can't possibly re-educate at this point. The window was shut long ago and it just rusts in place worse year after year.

If automated cars made it to the mass stage, I wouldn't mind people manually driving so long as they pass strict driving tests. Strict driving tests we can't subject people to now. Though would it be possible who knows. I would assume so since a change like this couldn't happen over night.
Disagree. It's never too late to do the right thing (well, policy-wise). We change major education standards and practices all the time in this country, and no one bursts into flame. We changed the drinking age several times since the 50's, and yes there was an outcry, but we got over it. You think big time money wasn't spent/lost?... think again.

People drive the way they do now b/c that's how they were taught... not b/c they necessarily think what they are doing is -the- way. People believe they are 'good drivers' b/c they are doing (usually) only what they were taught. By the average Joe's understanding of 'right/wrong'... if they are doing what they were told, they are correct. Because I grew up here, I was taught English as my first language. I would not therefore expect to spontaneously be able to speak German. That also doesn't mean I am the foremost professional in all things regarding the English language.

So it would follow too that if we only teach drivers the bare minimum, you wouldn't expect them to 'do better' just b/c we wish it were so. I understand that. It wouldn't happen overnight.

We need to shore up the testing, now. Auto-driving-cars as a concept is even more pie-in-the-sky than just changing the teaching methods... and way more costly. The generation of drivers that starts with the new tests would be comprised mainly of teens, just like it has always been. These kids largely still live at home. They will pass on some of this new learning to their parents. The parents that give a flip might even listen to some of it. Maybe they'll tell a few friends. It will take 10-15 years maybe, but the learning will get out there. It would need to be a phased-in type of curriculum... can't go from 0 to 100 overnight, that I do agree about.

I can't believe insurance companies aren't already all over this kind of thing. If I was very cynical, I'd figure "they have too much to lose with kids wrecking cars and premium hikes as a result". I'd hate to think that though... that's pretty evil.

At any rate, I hate that "give up" attitude of "it is just too late". I just don't think it is.
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Disagree. It's never too late to do the right thing (well, policy-wise). We change major education standards and practices all the time in this country, and no one bursts into flame. We changed the drinking age several times since the 50's, and yes there was an outcry, but we got over it. You think big time money wasn't spent/lost?... think again.

People drive the way they do now b/c that's how they were taught... not b/c they necessarily think what they are doing is -the- way. People believe they are 'good drivers' b/c they are doing (usually) only what they were taught. By the average Joe's understanding of 'right/wrong'... if they are doing what they were told, they are correct. Because I grew up here, I was taught English as my first language. I would not therefore expect to spontaneously be able to speak German. That also doesn't mean I am the foremost professional in all things regarding the English language.

So it would follow too that if we only teach drivers the bare minimum, you wouldn't expect them to 'do better' just b/c we wish it were so. I understand that. It wouldn't happen overnight.

We need to shore up the testing, now. Auto-driving-cars as a concept is even more pie-in-the-sky than just changing the teaching methods... and way more costly. The generation of drivers that starts with the new tests would be comprised mainly of teens, just like it has always been. These kids largely still live at home. They will pass on some of this new learning to their parents. The parents that give a flip might even listen to some of it. Maybe they'll tell a few friends. It will take 10-15 years maybe, but the learning will get out there. It would need to be a phased-in type of curriculum... can't go from 0 to 100 overnight, that I do agree about.

I can't believe insurance companies aren't already all over this kind of thing. If I was very cynical, I'd figure "they have too much to lose with kids wrecking cars and premium hikes as a result". I'd hate to think that though... that's pretty evil.

At any rate, I hate that "give up" attitude of "it is just too late". I just don't think it is.

Ok propose how you are going to teach over 100 million people already driving on the road to be better drivers then autonomous cars. And go.
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Ok propose how you are going to teach over 100 million people already driving on the road to be better drivers then autonomous cars. And go.
Did you not read the part where I said stuff like "it would be phased in" .. and "it'd take 10-15 years"... "and the kids learning the new stuff would disseminate the learning" ... "it wouldn't be overnight" .. and so on?... what part of that didn't sink in?

Everyone's license expires at some point... it would not be that hard to start phasing in new testing.

But, your mind is made up... you're going to throw your hands in the air and figure there's nothing we can do b/c it's "too hard". That's great.
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Like other said... those guys are nuts trusting that the s/w isn't going to smack the car at WOT into a concrete barrier which were all over the place. Crazy.
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Did you not read the part where I said stuff like "it would be phased in" .. and "it'd take 10-15 years"... "and the kids learning the new stuff would disseminate the learning" ... "it wouldn't be overnight" .. and so on?... what part of that didn't sink in?

Everyone's license expires at some point... it would not be that hard to start phasing in new testing.

But, your mind is made up... you're going to throw your hands in the air and figure there's nothing we can do b/c it's "too hard". That's great.
Ok you gave your fairy tale way of how it would work. I'm asking you how you would REALISTICALLY accomplish those fairy tale goals outside of stating it on a motorsports forum . Go.

And what's with this "give up" stuff. I never had faith in our system from the getgo. You're just too blind to see it's a horrid cheap system made to get people in and out fast at the lowest cost. What you propose would cost a crap ton of money that our government would rather not spend.

I welcome autonomous vehicles far more then some dimwit who can barely pass a driving test. Say good bye to

-traffic,
-people talking/texting/reading paper/doing nails/billion other distractions while driving,
-drunk driving,
-wannabe street racers,
-old people who shouldn't drive,
-cops and their tickets,
-stupid low speed limits
- plus so many more things

And welcome

-fast efficient ways to get around while not even having to do anything but get in and enjoy the ride,
-Not having to pickup people yourself such as kids,
-Send something somewhere without ever having to go,
-lower insurance costs if any
-Possibility to higher motorsports activity(people are going to miss driving) even if it's in the form of pure track cars only that's even better.


No amount of teaching and reform is going to force people who suck at driving and don't have the discipline to put their cell phones/other distractions away, drink and drive etc is going to replace an antonymous car. You sound like those big block 70s era v8 guys. It's the future get used to it.
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