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Old 03-13-2011, 09:00 PM   #1
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The 2011 Alaska Autocross Series and Related Events
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Tentative 2011 Schedule
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April 17 SZM & TZR-1 – Alaska Raceway Park, Palmer
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May 1 SZM & TZR-1 – Alaska Raceway Park, Palmer
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May 22 PCA – Bartlett High School, Anchorage
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May 28/29 ASCC – Tanacross, Tok
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June 12 PCA – Bartlett High School, Anchorage
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June 26 SZM - TZR-1 Menard Memorial Sports Center, Wasilla
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July 4 SZM & TZR-1 Whittier Car Show
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July 17 PCA – Bartlett High School, Anchorage
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August 14 ASCC – Houston Junior High School, Big Lake
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August 21 PCA– Bartlett High School, Anchorage
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September 10 SZM – Menard Memorial Sports Center, Wasilla
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September 18 PCA– Bartlett High School, Anchorage
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September 24 or 25 SZM & TZR-1 – Harbor Parking Lot, Whittier
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Old 03-13-2011, 10:15 PM   #2
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I missed my trophy last year by one event. I hope I can afford to go to enough this year to get one.
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Old 03-13-2011, 10:33 PM   #3
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Is it still 6 best events? Same rules as last season?
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Old 03-14-2011, 12:14 AM   #4
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I didn't hear any complaints, so I think the rules will be the same this year.

I would like to see a street tire index for street mod and street prepared. What do you all think?
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Old 03-14-2011, 12:42 AM   #5
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I didn't hear any complaints, so I think the rules will be the same this year.

I would like to see a street tire index for street mod and street prepared. What do you all think?
So slicks vs non-slicks? I'm down with that.

In order to run any of the stock classes, the min UTQG is 140. So I'd say thats a good starting point.

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Old 03-14-2011, 03:44 AM   #6
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I think with the amount of street tired cars that run this would help competition a little in those classes.

So on the stock comment. Your suggesting not allowing ores with less than 140 wear rating?
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Old 03-14-2011, 10:01 AM   #7
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I think with the amount of street tired cars that run this would help competition a little in those classes.

So on the stock comment. Your suggesting not allowing ores with less than 140 wear rating?
Yes. 140 would be the cut off for street vs rcomp. Because technically the hooiser A6, kuhmo 710, bfgoodrich r1, Yokohama advan 048 etc. all meet DOT requirements and can be considered street tires. All which have a rating well under 100.
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Old 03-14-2011, 10:42 AM   #8
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A slick is a slick. A street tire is a street tire.

Guys showing up changing over to gummy, track only tires before tech inspection should be in a class all by themselves.

A Dunlop Star spec, a dot legal street tire, has a UTQG of 200….yet aren't at the level of slicks.
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Old 03-14-2011, 11:46 AM   #9
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I believe as long as the class the car is in allows that tire, then so be it. Don't need slicks to win and anyone who thinks so just needs to learn to drive better lol

Most ppl with "slicks are running dot street rated tires. They are allowed to switch before an event even if they don't run with those tires on during the week.

On that note, doesn't matter what is decided. I have street legal dunlops to run this year so I guess you all better get slicks and outta my class cause I don't wanna hear excuses LOL

Looks like I'll be able to make the first event but not the second I'll be at my motorcycle training course may1st but will swing by after.
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Old 03-14-2011, 03:24 PM   #10
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I will be happy to run any decent tire on mine this year. Preferably not crappy all seasons. We'll see.
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Old 03-14-2011, 04:25 PM   #11
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I believe as long as the class the car is in allows that tire, then so be it. Don't need slicks to win and anyone who thinks so just needs to learn to drive better lol
I will agree with this statement. I recall an event in which Speeter mentioned it was me in the Legacy that beat/got close to whomever was asking, and I had the stock RE-whatevers. Its definitely better to LEARN a better line FIRST, then throw on grippier tires.

That being said, I am mixed on the street tire index for SP/SM classes. I can see the benefit as it would equalize those that have mods automatically bumping them to SP/SM but dont have "race rubber" which would afford them the benefit of being in that class, yet by the same token I'm not sure about further segregating the classes for street tires.

In the end, I dont mind either way, as I'm there for fun and seeing if I can manuever the boat around faster than teh masters.
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Old 03-14-2011, 05:37 PM   #12
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You all can have your classes and your tires and your trophies and your egos and your slicks and your streets and your stock and your modded and your chips and intakes and coilovers and swaybars and exhaust and you can all pick and choose. I, however, will show up and drive the snot out of my car as it is and I'll have a blast doing it smiling all the way home from a good day legally racing my car. The only time that matters is your own.
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Old 03-14-2011, 05:55 PM   #13
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The question is, and if I am not mistaken, the point put forth by wrcRS was to split the cars into different groups for street mod and street prepared for a street tire index.

We all know that slicks aren't needed to win, we know that a street tire can win with the right driver and setup.

The slicks simply give an advantage yet are classed the same as a street tire, all else being the same. The cars aren't then equal, all else being the same. How many take the vehicle right up to the limit of the classification? Very few here in Alaska.

I vote strongly for the street tire index.

If you want to run in Street mod and run slicks, no problem, run with other cars in that class that are using slicks. In no way should anyone ever confuse a similarly modded car on street tires as being equal of the car on slicks, nor in my opinion should they be classed together.

When they are classed together, it becomes a matter of the driver being the equalizer. Try as you might, the advantage will always be to the car on slicks. Some can overcome that proverbial second per lap advantage slicks give….and that is truly remarkable.

When a person doesn't make that occur….they may have still driven better…but their effort is negated by a ruling…and the win goes to someone who put in the time, money and effort to buy that one second advantage.

Interested to hear where this goes.

AMA bike racing has spec D.O.T. classes and true superbikes (with full on racing slicks) but they run in separate categories, different races…because the advantage is clear.
Yes, a pro can go out there on D.O.T. tires and kill a novice on racing slicks….doesn't make it right though.
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Old 03-14-2011, 06:02 PM   #14
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Then ppl who want the change will need to accept that they will likely not get a trophy. I understand that in order to trophy in your class, you need X number of cars within that class. So if your now going to divide each class into subclasses based on tires or what not... sounds kinda stupid to me.

Its your choice to put X type of mods on your car placing you into X type class. If you don't think its fair that someone else in your class as more stuff on their car then you do... go buy more stuff if you think it helps lol.

We already have stock classes, modifided classes, prepared classes and what not. I say just keep it at that.
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I had no one in my class all year long…I was driving against myself, if you will. I am not making this distinction for myself or to gain advantage over a direct competitor.

I am doing it merely for the racers, so that everyone is on a level playing field.

I am voting my conscience.

My understanding is that the current PCA/ASCC/ZR1/SZM rules are adopted largely from the SCCA classification rule book. I understand that you can mod your vehicle up to a certain point to the letter of the ruling and if you go beyond that…you are in another classification.

Alaska is it's own entity, far removed from the national scene. The new club is awesome and successful and local. Why shouldn't they determine their own rules instead of playing by some long standing agreements from another organization's rule book?
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timing and scoring and tech I am sure would appreciate having to class even more cars then they do now LOL
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We already have stock classes, modifided classes, prepared classes and what not. I say just keep it at that.
I agree. There's plenty of classes and Alaska is small enough to where we don't need to segregate any further.
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I had no one in my class all year long…I was driving against myself, if you will. I am not making this distinction for myself or to gain advantage over a direct competitor.
if you were DSP, if I recall correctly, then you were lumped in with the other (x)SP cars. I was wondering how I ended up in the same class as Ryan even though he was ASP when I was running BSP. After little thought I came to this conclusion.
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I was in E street prepared.

For me, the issue isn't what class a person is in at all.

It is that street tires are being classed together with racing tires and no distinction is made otherwise. Everyone is lumped into Street mod whether they are built to the hilt or have changed a single mod that would classify them there.

We all do agree that racing tires are an obvious and undeniable advantage, right?

The question was asked, I gave my answer. No harm, no foul. I'll be there as often as I can regardless of the outcome.

Divisions of groups, limited number of competitors per class, minimum number of competitors to qualify for a trophy……….. are all things easily overcome.
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if you were DSP, if I recall correctly, then you were lumped in with the other (x)SP cars. I was wondering how I ended up in the same class as Ryan even though he was ASP when I was running BSP. After little thought I came to this conclusion.
I don't see how you were in the same class. Different classes. But are you talking about overall classifications for the overall season trophy? I wasn't sure how they figured out that part since I worked all winter every day and wasn't able to attend any meetings. As for each individual event, we have so many classes.... UGH! No need to divy it up even more imo.
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there is a street tire class already. No slicks allowed. I dunno, I guess if you want to run in a certain class, make sure the car qualifies under that class?
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What class is street tires only?
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STU for example allows just street tires.
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^ and STS, ST2, ST, STX, STU.... etc. there is a whole Street Tire section.
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Is there a place where the SZM and associated clubs' rules can be read? Where and how these rules take place and are applied?
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