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Old 03-16-2011, 08:27 AM   #1
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A House committee today cleared a bill to block the EPA from regulating greenhouse gas emissions, including vehicles from the 2017-2025 model years - sending it to the House floor. House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Fred Upton, a sponsor of the legislation, said it "would prevent prices from going up."
"If you allow the EPA to regulate greenhouse gases it will dramatically increase (energy costs) which will be passed on to consumers," said Upton, R-Mich.
The bill is to go before the Republican-led House in the next couple of weeks, and lawmakers predicted it would pass.
However, Rep. Henry Waxman of California, the senior Democrat on the committee, said the legislation would die in the Democratic-controlled Senate.
Talks are under way among the EPA, the Department of Transportation, automakers, the state of California and environmental groups to set new fuel economy and tailpipe-emission standards after the current program expires for 2016 cars and light trucks.
The legislation would leave NHTSA as the sole federal participant in negotiations aimed at continuing a single national fuel-economy program.
Automakers have long favored a unified program to avoid having to meet a patchwork of state and federal targets. They achieved that in an agreement brokered by the Obama administration for 2012-2016 vehicles.
That agreement provides for a national average fuel-economy standard of 35.5 mpg by 2016. It incorporates two separate but consistent programs -- one overseen by EPA, the other by NHTSA -- under a uniform rule.
Automakers have taken no position on the Upton bill while reiterating their goal of continuing a single national program.
They declined to speculate on the impact the bill, if enacted, would have on the talks over 2017-2025 standards.
Both the Natural Resources Defense Council, an environmental group, and California regulators strongly oppose the legislation.
"The Environmental Protection Agency can set a stronger standard and more effectively enforce its program than the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration," said Roland Hwang, a spokesman for the council.
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Old 03-16-2011, 08:34 AM   #2
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"The Environmental Protection Agency can set a stronger standard and more effectively enforce its program than the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration," said Roland Hwang, a spokesman for the council.
Having one gov't agency is a great idea though. However, I forsee a merge the EPA's automobile type people with NHTSA. They both need to talk and work together instead of against each other.

As the NHTSA comes up with more stringent safety standards (which generally have added weight to cars, and seems to be more important to the public than fuel economy) the EPA says we need more enconomy out of these cars that have added power to compensate for the added weight. I can see how they constantly battle each other... especially for a piece of the fderal funding pie.

Unify them. Make them work together. Reduce the overhead of having 2 agencies. Work smarter. Not harder.

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Old 03-16-2011, 09:52 AM   #3
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I for one think that politics and science should not come near each other, ever. It would be like a engineer preforming heart surgery.
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Old 03-16-2011, 10:23 AM   #4
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Go back to yr 2000 budget in real dollars. It worked then and will now. CO2 is not toxic and people breath it out.
Now for what the news did not mention, The carbon scam is all but dead!
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Old 03-16-2011, 10:28 AM   #5
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I for one think that politics and science should not come near each other, ever. It would be like a engineer preforming heart surgery.
This is a poor comparison because it makes engineers look bad.

For the most part, the only real skills most politicians have is the skill to get elected.

Engineers are men and women of science, and have a technical and scientific background and would be much better suited to perform heart surgery than a politician.

I think a better comparison is having a politician do heart surgery

But it is true, in general the people with the scientific knowledge aren't the decision makers, and the decision makers don't have the scientific knowledge.

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Old 03-16-2011, 10:57 AM   #6
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This is a poor comparison because it makes engineers look bad.

For the most part, the only real skills most politicians have is the skill to get elected.

Engineers are men and women of science, and have a technical and scientific background and would be much better suited to perform heart surgery than a politician.

I think a better comparison is having a politician do heart surgery

But it is true, in general the people with the scientific knowledge aren't the decision makers, and the decision makers don't have the scientific knowledge.
Im a engineer..........a heart is just a pump with some valves and chambers that receives some electrical signals to control pumping......whats so hard about cuttin it out and patching it with zip ties, stiches, and duck tape?
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Old 03-16-2011, 12:08 PM   #7
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Your probably going to need some epoxy and at least one Shamwow to capture all the blood.
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Old 03-16-2011, 02:51 PM   #8
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Unify them. Make them work together. Reduce the overhead of having 2 agencies. Work smarter. Not harder.

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Its the US government we are talking about. Thats simply too much to ask of them. Working smarter means they make less money.

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This is a poor comparison because it makes engineers look bad.

For the most part, the only real skills most politicians have is the skill to get elected.

Engineers are men and women of science, and have a technical and scientific background and would be much better suited to perform heart surgery than a politician.

I think a better comparison is having a politician do heart surgery

But it is true, in general the people with the scientific knowledge aren't the decision makers, and the decision makers don't have the scientific knowledge.
Well said. Politicians try to make many based on science and technical knowledge, which they have none of. Ill bet our politicians wouldnt be asking an accountant to draw up the blueprints for a skyscraper, so why do they think they have the knowledge to come up with safety and emissions regulations.
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this bill won't go anywhere. it will die on a party line vote.
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