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Old 08-30-2011, 02:27 AM   #276
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rons draggin his feet...or an anchor hooked on his belt, one or another. i dont sense urgency for 2011.
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Old 08-30-2011, 11:43 AM   #277
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if you wanna give me $10k for a built longblock i'll gladly order it right now.
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Old 08-31-2011, 02:27 PM   #278
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Ship the parts to me and I will put it together for you
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Old 08-31-2011, 03:08 PM   #279
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i would let crys build my block if i didnt want to do it myself.

didnt you sell your hair to cancer patients? those locks should have brought in some large coins...

i dont have a job and i get shet done...stop making excuses.

why does a built block cost 10k?

let me add mine up...

700$ ej255 shortblock with heads(nothing wrong, 5k miles from phoenix racing)(sold heads for 700$whole avcs)(yes paid for the motor)
stock 257 crank
stock 255 rod (currently one is bent, too much timing?)11.4@124...lol
cosworth pistons 500$
turbo tuff rods 600$ (coming next)
12mm oil pump 160$
belt tensioner 100$?
gasket kit odds/ends 400$
fuel rails 200$
id1000s 500$
fuel hose, rubber 100$
aeromotive fpr 150$
v5 heads 1200$
kelford 272s 800$
manley +1 valve train/spring retainers 250$
opened up 2.0 combustion chamber from 49cc's to 54cc's and 5 angle valve job 1000$ (also reapired line honed cam journals due to destruction on first install)
nonavcs cam gears used over
ps pump used over
oil sandwich adapter used over
alternator used over
intake manifold used over
tgv gut did myself used over
throttle body used over
sti top mount used over
halman mbc 100$
optima battery used over
fuel filter oil filter 40$
fluids 100$
gates belt pulleys 200$
radiator/fans used over from an 06sti
open source tuned 16 bit ecu, stock harness used over and over and over
walbro 90$
what else?
lets get a rough idea...

im at about 6500$...

did all the labor myself with jodie though. he let me work off the bill...

your not sleeving it or planning on boring it out right?

what is your goal ron?

full on 700whp with a short lifespan...lets not kid ourselves with the ej motor, or a solid 500whp nightmare?


wow maybe with labor you are around 10k$...

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Old 08-31-2011, 03:46 PM   #280
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I will do your motor probono on labor and parts at cost (or supplied) if you can get Alliance to hook me up with a custom set of big EQL headers
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Old 08-31-2011, 03:58 PM   #281
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lol...kenny and I are both busy. and it costs me $600-$700 in gas,hotel,food etc a month to go down there.
Ahh. I forgot you told me you had to drive a few hours every time you wanted to head up to do work.

This is gonna be a sweet ride once you guys wrap it up! If I drive out to cali will you let me drive it??
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Old 08-31-2011, 04:47 PM   #282
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Jake, I'm starting from scratch. I have a used bare short block from Kenny and that's it. $5500 was parts and $4500 was labor on the quote.....I can post the quote if you want.

And that's with turbo tuff rods n a Manley crank

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Old 09-22-2011, 04:44 PM   #283
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Time to get this show back on the road. Just ordered all the motor/head parts

ej257 Case Halves - 11008AA930
11mm Oil Pump - 15010AA360
Gasket Set - 10105AA590
Nitrided Crank - 12200AA430
Rear Access Panel (big) - 11831AA210
Screws (x7) – 800406140
Locking Screws (x1) – 800406150
Bolt (x6) - 800708620
Seal Ring-Cylinder B Lock (x4) - 10991AA001
O-Ring (x1) - 806932030
Bolt (x1) 800708630
Bolt (x1) 800706500
Cover-Service Hole (x1) 11093AA000
Plug -Cylinder Block (x3) 11021AA020
Cover-Oil Separator (x1) 11831AA210
Cylinder Head Case RH - 11039AB910
Cylinder Head Case LH - 11063AB330
Valve Cover RH - 13264AA340
Valve Cover LH - 13278AA270
Wiseco Pistons (standard 99.5mm) - K598M995
Manley Turbo Tuff I-Beam Rods - MAN-14416-4
ARP L19 Head Studs
Brian Crower Stage3 280 Cams for EJ257
ACL race Main bearings - standard oil clearance (5M8309H)
ACL race Rod bearings - +1 oil clearance (4B8296HX)
supertech +1mm intake valves
supertech +1mm inconel exhaust valves
supertech dual valve springs, TI retainers, seats
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Old 09-22-2011, 04:47 PM   #284
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Why did you have to go new with things like the block and valve covers? Or was it just out of ease of tracking down some used?
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Old 09-22-2011, 04:47 PM   #285
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Blank head case!?

Balllller!

(did you notice it's not that much?)
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Old 09-22-2011, 04:48 PM   #286
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Time to get this show back on the road. Just ordered all the motor/head parts

ej257 Case Halves - 11008AA930
11mm Oil Pump - 15010AA360
Gasket Set - 10105AA590
Nitrided Crank - 12200AA430
Rear Access Panel (big) - 11831AA210
Screws (x7) – 800406140
Locking Screws (x1) – 800406150
Bolt (x6) - 800708620
Seal Ring-Cylinder B Lock (x4) - 10991AA001
O-Ring (x1) - 806932030
Bolt (x1) 800708630
Bolt (x1) 800706500
Cover-Service Hole (x1) 11093AA000
Plug -Cylinder Block (x3) 11021AA020
Cover-Oil Separator (x1) 11831AA210
Cylinder Head Case RH - 11039AB910
Cylinder Head Case LH - 11063AB330
Valve Cover RH - 13264AA340
Valve Cover LH - 13278AA270
Wiseco Pistons (standard 99.5mm) - K598M995
Manley Turbo Tuff I-Beam Rods - MAN-14416-4
ARP L19 Head Studs
Brian Crower Stage3 280 Cams for EJ257
ACL race Main bearings - standard oil clearance (5M8309H)
ACL race Rod bearings - +1 oil clearance (4B8296HX)
supertech +1mm intake valves
supertech +1mm inconel exhaust valves
supertech dual valve springs, TI retainers, seats
Bout time... so we're still on for the showdown @ Fontana

Who's doing your headwork if you're getting any done?
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Old 09-22-2011, 04:49 PM   #287
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now its really a race...who will be built right first?

ron
jake
karl
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Old 09-22-2011, 04:53 PM   #288
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i would def use a new case before a used one. the heat cycles and abuse can distort the crank line bore.

also if possible try to get a case marked AAAA OR BBBB.

if the sleeves are different bore diameters you will want to bore hone the difference so that the drop in pistons are in the same size bores...

the last case i seen new came BBBB. but mine is an ABBB.

luck of the draw? i wish you could request the bore you wanted...have the guy at subaru or i guess your using josh, to cherry pic a BBBB or an AAAA.
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Why did you have to go new with things like the block and valve covers? Or was it just out of ease of tracking down some used?
Because my old block was an ej205 and i dont even have it anymore. I was starting from scratch

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Blank head case!?

Balllller!

(did you notice it's not that much?)
the blank halves were $200-400 more than what you were asking. I just decided i wanted to 1 stop shop at IIR rather than shop around forever.

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Bout time... so we're still on for the showdown @ Fontana
Who's doing your headwork if you're getting any done?
Idk. suggestions? I think crystal imprezav has a guy....or he was just gonna do it on his porch like he did his

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now its really a race...who will be built right first?
ron
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karl
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he who has the biggest credit card wins!
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Old 09-22-2011, 05:04 PM   #290
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the blank halves were $200-400 more than what you were asking. I just decided i wanted to 1 stop shop at IIR rather than shop around forever.
Truth. For what you're doing, honestly, it's the better way to go
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Old 09-22-2011, 05:08 PM   #291
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Yeah. And if i tried to shop the classifieds everyday and find the best deal i would never get it done.
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Old 09-22-2011, 05:11 PM   #292
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I like everything but the dual springs, I hope you don't drop a valve.
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I like everything but the dual springs, I hope you don't drop a valve.
supertech +1mm inconel exhaust valves
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Old 09-22-2011, 05:14 PM   #294
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credit? whats that?

my new machine shop does heads, but they are untested as of yet. they will be doing karl and mine.

on the east coast headgames is the place to go.

im sure there are plenty of headshops west coast...ed from eq instantly comes to mind...
cnc program sounds better to me than done by hand...

not that kind of headshop smartass...i know what your gonna say...
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Old 09-22-2011, 05:26 PM   #295
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I like everything but the dual springs, I hope you don't drop a valve.
have there been multitudes of cases of this happening?

if a company like cosworth sells and recommends them....well i trust them over a couple failures posted on nasioc.

There are so many things that can go into a motor failing....but if you have links to dual valve springs causing failures i'll def read them.
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have there been multitudes of cases of this happening?

if a company like cosworth sells and recommends them....well i trust them over a couple failures posted on nasioc.

There are so many things that can go into a motor failing....but if you have links to dual valve springs causing failures i'll def read them.
I search later and post the links later for you. Yeah there have been some breaking valves from dual spring IIRC I think Jays05 did,
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Idk. suggestions? I think crystal imprezav has a guy....or he was just gonna do it on his porch like he did his
I was looking for a porter to do my 257 heads also. I know a guy but he's not the guy to use if you're in a hurry.
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Old 09-22-2011, 05:42 PM   #298
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I search later and post the links later for you. Yeah there have been some breaking valves from dual spring IIRC I think Jays05 did,
heres jays....but really with a gt35 on e85 power level can you really blame the dual springs? everything in a subie engine at that power level is holding on for dear life There's lots of info in his thread over on iwsti. He was on a used block...that had already failed once...used crank....he was tuning it himself....his previous bearings showed the same wear indicative of a out of balance crank.....basically enough stuff in there that i dont know how you narrow it down to the valve spring.

http://www.iwsti.com/forums/2504710-post1.html

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Guys the rod bearings are just a distraction, I think. Not the root cause. The ovaled wristpin bushings combined with the beat up rod bearings exclude excessive RPM or oiling as the culprit for what happened to the bearings, but like I said I think the bearings are just a distraction.

These were Supertech black nitrided SS valves. Not inconel. Mick_the_ginge on nasioc had two occasions where he had bent exhaust valves in an otherwise well running track motor with these valves, and supertech just told him to use the inconel valves in the future. But Ron and Jr never had an issue with these valves. For valvetrain they were Supertech dual valvesprings + TI retainers. There were three different spring sets with increasing seat pressure - they were the ones in the middle.

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Old 09-22-2011, 08:04 PM   #299
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I'll be assembling everything and the only thing that will be shopped out will be the valve job.

These better be some damn good headers for my trade . I think Kenny is going to at least owe me a custom intake manifold I design when it's all said and done.

BTW, it doesn't matter what any of you do, I will still be faster at Fontana cause I has the driver mod
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i would def use a new case before a used one. the heat cycles and abuse can distort the crank line bore.
cough, align hone...same thing I posted in your thread.

I like the heat cycled blocks, they are done cycling; unless you are going to crazy temps it's never seen.
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