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Old 03-24-2011, 10:08 PM   #51
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no whp goal or anything?
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Old 03-24-2011, 11:19 PM   #52
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not really....

im basically trying to make the most power possible, with a powerband useable under 7500rpm and somewhere around 30-32 psi....

so that basically narrows it down to a gtx30-35.....i just dont know how much the powerband of the gtx35 would suck being limited to 32psi and 7500rpm

based on perrins data i think the gtx30 might provide better area under the curve with those restrictions
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Old 03-24-2011, 11:34 PM   #53
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not really....

im basically trying to make the most power possible, with a powerband useable under 7500rpm and somewhere around 30-32 psi....

so that basically narrows it down to a gtx30-35.....i just dont know how much the powerband of the gtx35 would suck being limited to 32psi and 7500rpm

based on perrins data i think the gtx30 might provide better area under the curve with those restrictions
If that is the case, yeah man go with the GTX3076. Maybe buy and extra 1.06AR housing it may work better than the GTX35 with the .82AR.

If you can make 500whp on Airboy and have a 2900-2700lb car with driver, you should be able to low 10s and maybe a high 9sec with a trap speed of 140mph
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Old 03-25-2011, 09:03 AM   #54
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i thought this car was gonna be more in the 2400# range.

i vote gtx35r with 1.06ar. leave the gt3076 records for me.

full boost by 4500? 30#s of boost from 4.5-7k...
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Old 03-25-2011, 11:01 AM   #55
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not really....

im basically trying to make the most power possible, with a powerband useable under 7500rpm and somewhere around 30-32 psi....
Sounds like an interesting set of goals. Go for it!! Just keep in mind gear drop with sizing the powerband. for a drag car, stack those VEs only where they're needed
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Old 03-25-2011, 01:15 PM   #56
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holy crap you still have this thing?
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Old 03-25-2011, 01:18 PM   #57
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Ill drive it . You think the car will be ready by 4/16 for the test/tune at Fontana? If I don't drive it, I will still run it against my car :P
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Old 03-25-2011, 01:34 PM   #58
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i thought this car was gonna be more in the 2400# range.
IIRC it was 2700 lbs before....we have taken out lots of weight....but dont forget we are adding weight back with the cage....aerromotuve fuel cell (http://www.jegs.com/i/Aeromotive/027...0002/-1?CT=999), underbody, wing...

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Sounds like an interesting set of goals. Go for it!! Just keep in mind gear drop with sizing the powerband. for a drag car, stack those VEs only where they're needed
well....as we've all seen the high hp subies come and go and go through motors...i figured i'd keep the boost levels down to save the stock sleeves and keep the rpm down to avoid worrying about high rpm oiling issues. i think thats the easiest route rather than read through a bunch of hypothetical semi-educated guesses about oil viscosity and oil wedges on bearings at 9000rpm.

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holy crap you still have this thing?
yup....the tranny you put in is the only thing left in the car atm.

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Ill drive it . You think the car will be ready by 4/16 for the test/tune at Fontana? If I don't drive it, I will still run it against my car :P
lol...3 weeks away....i dont think theres a chance in hell that it will be done by then.
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Old 03-25-2011, 02:26 PM   #59
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What ewg muffler is that? Or did you make it?
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Old 03-25-2011, 02:35 PM   #60
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i believe kenny made it....but it could be an OTS item...i'll see if i can get him to come comment
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Old 03-25-2011, 02:50 PM   #61
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I agree with Ron completely, no need for a gigantic turbo that need NOS to spool, that falls out the power band between shifts, that breaks every time you drive it.

Try to make the car as light as possible, and strive to make power without pushing the motor over the edge. Also try to keep torque low since torque breaks everything. For my car I am shooting for 500whp Airboy and 400wtq I should give me a 140mph and my tranny should survive.

Ron I also recommend getting some racing seats I save like 20lbs per seat, nrg racing are 15lbs a piece, buddy clubs are 12-13lbs. I have nrg's because they were no buddy clubs in the usa at the time. Or you can spend 4k on 5 lb racetech seat
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Old 03-25-2011, 02:55 PM   #62
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i have NRG CF seats already....and the passenger one isnt going back in

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Old 03-25-2011, 02:58 PM   #63
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how is it misleading?

in the subaru world the people going 9.5-10.0 are/were running gt35, gt40, gt42.....and theres even a gt30 @ 10.0 @ 137mph

So i dont see how a 75 lbm gtx35 isnt considered a "drag" turbo, but a old school gt35 is? a gt40 or gt42 at 80-85lbm are? or an old school gt30?

Its a lightweight car that should makeover 500whp....it doesnt have the brakes to be considered a street car......it doesnt have the suspension mods to be a road race car or a time attack car....its not an autox car....its not a rally car....

if i shouldnt call it a drag car, what should i call it?

we should probably move the convo over to my thread.....

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...2151066&page=2
I'd call a drag car shell with good intentions

I've seen you at the strip Ron. You're gonna need a GTX55 at least to get those times you posted j/k

What are you shooting for e.t. wise? There are people that have run 10s on 18G's too. Why not go 16G and one up those punks
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Old 03-25-2011, 03:03 PM   #64
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lol...well...im not gonna straight up call people liars...but many of those records that get posted just arent true....

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i believe kenny made it....but it could be an OTS item...i'll see if i can get him to come comment
Thanks! I could really use 1, maybe 2 if they will fit
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Old 03-25-2011, 05:01 PM   #66
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Old 03-25-2011, 05:13 PM   #67
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well....as we've all seen the high hp subies come and go and go through motors...i figured i'd keep the boost levels down to save the stock sleeves and keep the rpm down to avoid worrying about high rpm oiling issues. i think thats the easiest route rather than read through a bunch of hypothetical semi-educated guesses about oil viscosity and oil wedges on bearings at 9000rpm.
please don't take offense to my comment. I was just holding you to a higher standard than the average enthusiast...that's all.

I know you are suspect of the long rod and that's not at all what I was talking about. I really couldn't care one way or the other what people think of it. I was just hoping to see someone turn up the wick, who has the knowledge (tools) to do so.

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just talked to kenny he's gonna come comment...

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I know you are suspect of the long rod and that's not at all what I was talking about. I really couldn't care one way or the other what people think of it. I was just hoping to see someone turn up the wick, who has the knowledge (tools) to do so.
im not a motor man...i dont know anything about long rods. i dont know where u got the idea i was against them.

the only thing i was really against when inquiring about them was the cost
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Hey quick chime in guys thanks for tuning in for the build, its a very exiting project for us both! The lw brake setup is a true bolt on app. Testing will come soon! The ewg muffler is a great enhancement to any turbo vehicle. The sound is reduced, ridding you of the harsh open header sound and tuned to give you that exotic car sound when your juicin! I love running the baricade lined fwy passes haha, the echo is superb! Subarari! Please pm any ?
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Old 03-25-2011, 06:21 PM   #70
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please don't take offense to my comment. I was just holding you to a higher standard than the average enthusiast...that's all.

I know you are suspect of the long rod and that's not at all what I was talking about. I really couldn't care one way or the other what people think of it. I was just hoping to see someone turn up the wick, who has the knowledge (tools) to do so.

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I think MD05STi and myself have proved not to be so worried about the stock sleeves (at a stock 99.5 bore) rofl and for me, be more worried about your rod choice.

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Old 03-27-2011, 04:41 PM   #71
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Nice build Ron! Fab work is awesome, GL the rest of the way dude!
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I think MD05STi and myself have proved not to be so worried about the stock sleeves (at a stock 99.5 bore) rofl and for me, be more worried about your rod choice.

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I really don't get into the hype of them all being exploding melons, especially when you take out .010" from each side.
With EM, the stress on cylinder #4 is reduced (factory det test dummy) and with proper tuning, it isn't going to just give up the ghost. It is the one prone to faliure but doesn't mean it's weak.

EJ257 = stronger than Manley H-beams....too soon? j/k

Ron, you spent like $1000 on seats and are complaining about the cost of custom billet engine parts? Should have bought a Kirkey drag seat for $150 or drag econo for like $110 if money is the deciding factor.

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Omg....I havent complained about any price....i commented on it.

But there is a big difference between the $500 shipped seats I got and a $6000 motor.....

And buying $500 seats by themselves is also alot different than dropping $10k on motor, standalone, turbo kit, brakes, coiovers, etc etc in one shot.
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true, sorry...'commmenting on' not 'complaining about'.

I really ought to just get mass produced Chinese H-beams like everyone else and start my vendor account again. Then I could probably sell a bunch of the kits.

I didn't think $6k on a new block with a modded oil pump and full gasket kit was that bad. Especially considering the ACLs were calico coated, the Custom JE sleugs had tool steel wrist pins, custom CR, upgraded rings and the rods were custom Pauter...Guess I should have gone like Crawford and charged $6k with +2mm i-beams and OTS style JE pistons but just 2mm shorter CH. None of the rest of the parts...

Really doesn't matter. I still think you have a cool project going and want to see what the 'gutted' GD with a 35R can do.

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Old 03-28-2011, 11:57 AM   #75
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true, sorry...'commmenting on' not 'complaining about'.

I really ought to just get mass produced Chinese H-beams like everyone else and start my vendor account again. Then I could probably sell a bunch of the kits.

I didn't think $6k on a new block with a modded oil pump and full gasket kit was that bad. Especially considering the ACLs were calico coated, the Custom JE sleugs had tool steel wrist pins, custom CR, upgraded rings and the rods were custom Pauter...Guess I should have gone like Crawford and charged $6k with +2mm i-beams and OTS style JE pistons but just 2mm shorter CH. None of the rest of the parts...

Really doesn't matter. I still think you have a cool project going and want to see what the 'gutted' GD with a 35R can do.
If Ron is getting the motor built by Junior @ turbotrix, he would spend less than half the 6K for no H-beams; Manley Turbo Tuff .

I really hope Ron goes with the GTX3076 it would be crazy fast fun car, Remember Coolrex when 10.2-3 @ 135-137 with a regular 35r .63 AR IIRC, on a way heavier car.
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