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Old 03-17-2011, 12:21 PM   #1
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A little Background

I bought a stock 03 WRX in November of 2009 with the intentions of making huge power with it. After attending a couple of auto cross events that year with very few mods done to the car I decided this winter that I was hooked and that was the direction I was going with my car.

So I started my process of overhauling my car to compete in a local class OF STM in the SCCA. STM is run what you got as long as the tires are 140 treadwear or higher. My build budget was quite limited due to the fact of being married and having 2 kids. So I went on the hunt for possible sponsors that would be willing to help me with my goals.

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In March of 2010 I teamed up with Cameron of Camtuning.com to see if we could not get some extra ponies out of my little 2.0L and make me more compeditive with alot of the STI's that run in STM. The tunes I have got from Cameron have been amazing! The car runs awesome at the track and is still reliable for daily use.
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In October Of 2010 I teamed up will GrimmSpeed! I must say that it was the best thing that could have happened for me and my car. Not only are the parts that GrimmSpeed makes second to none in Performance, Quality, and price, but the guys at GrimmSpeed are awesome. The customer service there is outstanding and they are eager to help get you where you want to be.
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In Febuary of 2011 I Teamed up with ASD Motorsports. David and the crew at ADS make some amazing parts. There V3 Camber Plates are a thing of beauty!

The Car!
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Well here is the mod list on the car as it sits now and a couple of pictures

Engine:
GrimmSpeed Up Pipe
GrimmSpeed Cross Pipe
GrimmSpeed 160 degree Thermostat
GrimmSpeed Ported and Polished Exhaust Manifold with EGT
GrimmSpeed Ported and Polished Intake Manifold W/ Thermal coating
GrimmSpeed TGV Deletes
GrimmSpeed 3MM Phenolic Thermal Spacer
GrimmSpeed Lightweight Crank Pulley
GrimmSpeed Turbo heat shield
GrimmSpeed complete exhaust gasket set
GrimmSpeed Hybrid Boost controller setup
GrimmSpeed Air-Oil separator
Gimmick V2 Turbo Inlet
SPT Intake
STI TMIC with silicone Y-pipes
VS Racing Air box
Intercooler sprayer
Invidia Catless Downpipe
SureWin Cat-back ExhaustCAM Tuning stage 2.5 Custom Tune

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Group N Motor Mounts
Group N Transmission Mounts
Group N Pitch Stop Mounts
Agency Power Short Shifter
Turn in Concepts rear diff bushings
Turn in Concepts outrigger bushings
Turn in Concepts fender braces
Kartboy rear sub frame lockdown bolts
Whiteline steering rack bushings

Suspension: Koni Inserts
Tein S-Tech Springs
Perrin 22mm Adjustable RSB
Whiteline 22mm Adjustable FSB
Whiteline Front and Rear Solid End links
ASD V3 camber plates

Brakes
GrimmSpeed master cylinder brace
Goodrich braided brake lines
Hawk HPS pads

Wheels/Tires
Gram Lights 17x8 (track)
Direzza Star Spec's 235/40/17 (track)
XXR Chromium Black 522 17x8.5 (street)
Pirelli P7's 235/45/17 (street)






As the 2011 Auto X season gets underway I will post my results of the races and anything else I do to the car. I am open to CONSTRUCTIVE comments on the car or other modifications that some of you think could be benificial. This will be my first full season of Auto X and I am looking forward to it.
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March 5th Auto X!!
So the first auto cross of the season has come and gone and thanks to GRIMMSPEED, ASD, AND CAMTUNING the car has really come a long way. This first auto cross was almost like getting to know my car all over again as alot of the modifications I did over the winter have changed the dynamic of the car so much. Despite getting to know the car all over again and the pouring rain I was able to place 2nd in my class WOOT!!!!

Results!!

'Street Tire Modified' Total Entries: 9

1st Marcus Wheeler 2007 Subaru STI Limited-56.643

2nd Chris Anderson 2003 Subaru WRX-58.350

3rd Jed Peterson 1996 Mazda Miata M-58.496

4th Chris Oakley 2006 Nissan SpecV-58.828

5th James Cathers 1997 Acura Integra-59.310

6th Dan Vosbrink 2005 Subaru WRX STi- 59.666

7th Jordan Saladino 2005 Subaru Legacy GT- 60.548

8th Logan Parker 1997 Acura Integra- 61.314

9th Josh Turner 2007 Subaru WRX Limited- 62.072

Here are some pics from the day!






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Old 03-17-2011, 12:22 PM   #3
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This is your first full season of AX and you have three sponsors?! Dude, how did you pull that off? Not being a dick, I really want to know bcs I'm jealous! Haha I've been autocrossing for 7 years on just my own dime.

As far as the car, I really like what you've done so far, but to be seriously competitive you're going to need coilovers with much higher spring rates. (or a really nice set of
Struts with matched springs of a higher rate). Are there wheel/tire width restrictions in that class? What about diffs? An LSD will help you catch up with the STIs. How much power are you making with that tune?
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Get used to hearing this: "Seat Time, Seat Time, Seat Time!". That'll give the biggest performance gain you'll see.

The mods you've done put you into SM at a minimum when you start to travel, so be prepared to have your ass handed to you by a civic on slicks (or an 89 civic on stree tires). Don't worry though, just about every autoxer has to deal with a majorly deflated ego when they go to their first "big" event. The big thing to remember is "have fun" and keep coming back to get that seat time. Then decide what class you want to run in and mod/demod accordingly.

If you want to stay in SM I hope you have deep pockets or never plan to run outside of your local region. Not being a downer, just being realistic.
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You're brave for using S-Techs.

stil2stock, don't think of small scale sponsorship like big dog sponsorship. It's not the same at all. Really 03blueflash is just a moving billboard for Grimmspeed and running lots of Grimmspeed parts. It's not like 03blueflash is getting into events free and getting all his parts for free. He's not driving a Grimmspeed paid car. It's nothing like that. This is small scale world. Grimmspeed may make an extra effort to keep said customer happy, maybe offer a small discount here or there, but really it's just advertising. 03blueflash is offering to be a rolling billboard for products he loves, and Grimmspeed is happy to back their brand name and keep 03blueflash happy, but it's nothing big scale like people dream.
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Constructive criticism...I would start looking at ways to make the car competitive in a nationally recognized class. At this point, you are looking at SM or FP. Personally, I think FP would be the way to go. You will end up spending the same money as a real SM build, but in the end I think the car will be more competitive there.
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Constructive criticism...I would start looking at ways to make the car competitive in a nationally recognized class. At this point, you are looking at SM or FP. Personally, I think FP would be the way to go. You will end up spending the same money as a real SM build, but in the end I think the car will be more competitive there.
Constructive criticism of your constructive criticism

FP is not the way to go if you value your car as a daily driver. Prepared is where stripped interiors come into play, as well as weight in general. If he were prepping for a national class (which I agree he should) I'd say demod to STX and run there. Mccance proved the 2.0 WRX could win in STX and it's way cheaper than SM. FP would be such a headache, plus the class sizes would be way smaller than STX.

Street tire index classes are a good way to wet your feet and get a feel for your car. However, after a year or two it's rather pointless, so all mods should be done towards a class goal (if you're serious about competing outside your region, or just competing in general). If you want to mod for fun, then run whatever class you want and just realize you'll probably be slaughtered by a car prepped for that class.
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Constructive criticism...I would start looking at ways to make the car competitive in a nationally recognized class. At this point, you are looking at SM or FP. Personally, I think FP would be the way to go. You will end up spending the same money as a real SM build, but in the end I think the car will be more competitive there.
FP would be a strech and I dont think anyone around here even runs that lol! I have beat a number of the SM cars around here but that is an option.


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stil2stock, don't think of small scale sponsorship like big dog sponsorship. It's not the same at all. Really 03blueflash is just a moving billboard for Grimmspeed and running lots of Grimmspeed parts. It's not like 03blueflash is getting into events free and getting all his parts for free. He's not driving a Grimmspeed paid car. It's nothing like that. This is small scale world. Grimmspeed may make an extra effort to keep said customer happy, maybe offer a small discount here or there, but really it's just advertising. 03blueflash is offering to be a rolling billboard for products he loves, and Grimmspeed is happy to back their brand name and keep 03blueflash happy, but it's nothing big scale like people dream.
I know the S-Techs were on the car when I got it and could not justify spending 300 bucks on new springs when what I really want is coilovers. I am saving as we speak for some. Oh and GRIMMSPEED KEEPS ME VERY HAPPY!!!!!!

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Get used to hearing this: "Seat Time, Seat Time, Seat Time!". That'll give the biggest performance gain you'll see.

The mods you've done put you into SM at a minimum when you start to travel, so be prepared to have your ass handed to you by a civic on slicks (or an 89 civic on stree tires). Don't worry though, just about every autoxer has to deal with a majorly deflated ego when they go to their first "big" event. The big thing to remember is "have fun" and keep coming back to get that seat time. Then decide what class you want to run in and mod/demod accordingly.

If you want to stay in SM I hope you have deep pockets or never plan to run outside of your local region. Not being a downer, just being realistic.
What would I have to de-mod to make into STX or ESP? I dont travel to far outside my local region sometimes to Chattanooga or Atlanta or Nashville rarely and most of those have an STM class. Seat time will be huge for me and I plan to get as much of it as I can

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This is your first full season of AX and you have three sponsors?! Dude, how did you pull that off? Not being a dick, I really want to know bcs I'm jealous! Haha I've been autocrossing for 7 years on just my own dime.

As far as the car, I really like what you've done so far, but to be seriously competitive you're going to need coilovers with much higher spring rates. (or a really nice set of
Struts with matched springs of a higher rate). Are there wheel/tire width restrictions in that class? What about diffs? An LSD will help you catch up with the STIs. How much power are you making with that tune?
Very fortunate I guess. I also do alot with the car other than auto X though. I attend alot of car shows and have some obligations with local smaller place to do PR events and such.
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FP would be a strech and I dont think anyone around here even runs that lol! I have beat a number of the SM cars around here but that is an option.
Then they weren't SM cars. Trust me, when you run against an actual SM car you'll know A lot of cars "end up" in SM because of mods they've done and are no where near being prepped for the class. If you want an idea of what an SM car is look up the Hoops\Lieber Evo, or J. White's 240SX, or what's his face with the white M3. All of them have great HP to weight ratios (the M3 was 2600lbs IIRC and around 320whp while the Hoops\Lieber Evo was 430 whp and 2850lbs), well sorted suspensions, lots of weight removed, big slicks, and a whole host of other things that make them "SM cars".

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What would I have to de-mod to make into STX or ESP? I dont travel to far outside my local region sometimes to Chattanooga or Atlanta or Nashville rarely and most of those have an STM class. Seat time will be huge for me and I plan to get as much of it as I can
You'd have to remove a decent bit. STX is factory boost and nothing modified after the turbo, so the STi intercooler, the intake mani/spacers, tgv deletes...it also requires a cat in the exhaust...there's probably others, but it'd take to much time to read through your list.

ESP is a little easier, but it's still nothing post intercooler, so still intake mani and tgv stuff. It does allow aftermarket boost levels and catless exhaust. However, you'd be up against the 2.5 WRX guys in ESP, so you'd just have to pray their trans explodes before they get a good run in

If you want seat time, travel around. If you want good seat time, go to national tours/pro solos. There you'll see good course design, and good cars, and get to talk to fast people who just might drop hints on how you can be faster too
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Then they weren't SM cars. Trust me, when you run against an actual SM car you'll know A lot of cars "end up" in SM because of mods they've done and are no where near being prepped for the class. If you want an idea of what an SM car is look up the Hoops\Lieber Evo, or J. White's 240SX, or what's his face with the white M3. All of them have great HP to weight ratios (the M3 was 2600lbs IIRC and around 320whp while the Hoops\Lieber Evo was 430 whp and 2850lbs), well sorted suspensions, lots of weight removed, big slicks, and a whole host of other things that make them "SM cars".

Not trying to burst your bubble, but just being realistic




You'd have to remove a decent bit. STX is factory boost and nothing modified after the turbo, so the STi intercooler, the intake mani/spacers, tgv deletes...it also requires a cat in the exhaust...there's probably others, but it'd take to much time to read through your list.

ESP is a little easier, but it's still nothing post intercooler, so still intake mani and tgv stuff. It does allow aftermarket boost levels and catless exhaust. However, you'd be up against the 2.5 WRX guys in ESP, so you'd just have to pray their trans explodes before they get a good run in

If you want seat time, travel around. If you want good seat time, go to national tours/pro solos. There you'll see good course design, and good cars, and get to talk to fast people who just might drop hints on how you can be faster too
Well I guess I will be sticking to STM or going SM when I travel outside because I love the TGV deletes and it is a huge hassle to go back. I really appreiciate all the advice. My big goal this year is just to get to know my car better and smack around alot of the local guys in STM.
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One only needs to worry about national classes if they actually intend to run the national set. Not a lot of casual auto-xers are willing to travel around the country. Sometimes excelling at a local class is enough, or if you're adventurous, you can start looking at higher classes and develop a build path to progress up and eventually build a serious car. Or you can be like me and say screw it, pick XP, have fun, and do whatever you want to the car.

Any way you slice it you're having fun. It just depends on if you want some trophies or not. Everyone's really there just to have fun and get better. Trophies and awards are sort of little gifts if you excel in a formatted manner. I think I get more attention and praise just from driving absolute snot out of an unusual car (not too many Foresters autocrossing and rallycrossing) really well than I do from any trophies I've won (regional rally-x). You sort of have to decide if those award trinkets means anything to you, at least enough so to define what you do to the car. My personal goal is to just get better, not compete. I take pride in being able to push a vehicle up near 10/10ths and keep it there and am disappointed if I left something on the table after a run. I take pride in learning the course, finding better lines, and breaking down driver inputs well for the course configuration. Everything else doesn't really matter much.

For you as an individual, you need to decide what's important for you. What does autocross mean to you? Why do you do it? What aspects of the sport are important for you? Answer these things and then decide how you want to approach the sport.

The Grimmspeed guys are fellow enthusiasts. It's good when you have fellow enthusiasts, fellow racers, supporting the hobbies we all love. It's nice.
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One only needs to worry about national classes if they actually intend to run the national set. Not a lot of casual auto-xers are willing to travel around the country. Sometimes excelling at a local class is enough, or if you're adventurous, you can start looking at higher classes and develop a build path to progress up and eventually build a serious car. Or you can be like me and say screw it, pick XP, have fun, and do whatever you want to the car.

Any way you slice it you're having fun. It just depends on if you want some trophies or not. Everyone's really there just to have fun and get better. Trophies and awards are sort of little gifts if you excel in a formatted manner. I think I get more attention and praise just from driving absolute snot out of an unusual car (not too many Foresters autocrossing and rallycrossing) really well than I do from any trophies I've won (regional rally-x). You sort of have to decide if those award trinkets means anything to you, at least enough so to define what you do to the car. My personal goal is to just get better, not compete. I take pride in being able to push a vehicle up near 10/10ths and keep it there and am disappointed if I left something on the table after a run. I take pride in learning the course, finding better lines, and breaking down driver inputs well for the course configuration. Everything else doesn't really matter much.

For you as an individual, you need to decide what's important for you. What does autocross mean to you? Why do you do it? What aspects of the sport are important for you? Answer these things and then decide how you want to approach the sport.

The Grimmspeed guys are fellow enthusiasts. It's good when you have fellow enthusiasts, fellow racers, supporting the hobbies we all love. It's nice.
I guess this is where I really am at. I would eventually like to make my 03 into a dedicated Auto X car eventually and then maybe I would detune or build the crap out of it and what not. What I would really like is to win my local regions STM class. There are alot of guys from my subie club that race in that same class and that have much higher HP cars that like to talk smack to me but, I continue to beat them all except for one and I guess this year that is my goal to beat all of them and win my local region STM class.

Once I replace my WRX with a new DD then I will focus more on a national class. I really just need seat time the most right now.
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Once I replace my WRX with a new DD then I will focus more on a national class. I really just need seat time the most right now.
Maybe think about replacing your autox car and leaving the wrx as a DD. You can pick up something much cheaper (ST civic, stock class or ST miata ect) and be more competitive
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Hey Chris just stopping in to say the thread looks great, and NEVER get rid of it, it is so perfect

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I could never get rid of it or auto x someting else either LOL
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I personally wouldn't mind a rwd car. They tend to offer a little more fun factor and a little more control due to the independent nature of the front and rear end. However, once you make power, awd is the only real answer. To be ridiculously fast, you need to be able to put the power down. Awd makes that easy. Otherwise you're stuck with super sticky tires and aero bits to generate the necessary grip.

Will, I'm not sure how you call S-Techs perfect. But...I do agree Subarus are great platforms to play with. It's a good base product with an excellent aftermarket.

I'm a big picture man, so I view a lot of cars as viable options. It really comes down to what you want in a platform. For example, rwd + low weight = Miata. If awd + mechanical is the platform you want, the Impreza becomes a great option, and an older model if you want to forgo all those electrical aids (bye Evo) and prefer a old school mechanical device to whittle through the course. I don't even use ABS because it inhibits some handling flexibility.

It all depends on what you want. I could very well see myself owning a Miata at some point, strip it down, add force induction, and get pretty big into aero. I think at some point it stops being about being fast in a class and starts being about just being ridiculously fast, period.
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I'd say look to ESP class - Thats where I used to run my bugeye before I bought the STI this year. Yes, you'll have the 2.5L guys to contend with, but it's much more do-able than SM. Last I checked you CAN do TGV deletes (removing emissions equipment), and PnP everything, the only thing you CANNOT do is modify the turbo (no coating, no PnP, etc). The subframe lock bolts are illegal, but thats easy enough to take off. Things I'm not sure about for ESP: GS hybrid boost control system (don't know what that is - electronic boost adjustment via tunes are legal, but I think manual boost controllers are not), IC sprayer probably not since it was never offered on that car, thermostat and air-oil-separator.

To be competitive in ESP, add:
-SEAT TIME!
-Coilovers with high spring rates (10k/8k or thereabouts)
-HUGE R-comps (275 is probably a good start) (lots of negative camber too)
-LSD

In the short-term, the S-techs are REALLY gonna hold you back. I ran in ESP as a broke student, and picked up BC inverted coilovers in 10k/8k and dropped SECONDS off my times from my previous set up of KYB AGXs with prodrive springs. So that would be my suggestion to you if high-end coilovers are out of reach, and those will serve you well in ANY class you run in from STX on up.
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-HUGE R-comps (275 is probably a good start) (lots of negative camber too)
-LSD
Honestly, the lack of limited slip diffs will hold you back in ESP as well. I should know... I tried to skimp on that my first season, and by August (and after McCance drove it), I knew that I needed to do it, immediately, even if a mod just weeks before going to Nationals was a Bad Idea (tm). And you will need more than one. I have both front and rear diffs (stock center), and the car rotates and puts power down a lot better now that it isn't spinning an inside tire uselessly.

Coilovers, too. OMG, does the suspension on these car suck, especially the closer you are to stock. The last two years, I was on the AST 5200 setup with 800# front and 650# rear springs. This year, I'm on McCance's old zzyzx/Koni setup with ~650# fronts and 600# rears. This switch also required me to change my swaybar setups (see my build thread for more information).

You are also right about seat time. It can't be understated. Even after.... a lot of years of autocrossing and lots of National level trophies, I'm planning to do another Evolution Phase 1 school next month.

It's a nice looking car. Maybe I'll see you if we're both in Atlanta at the same time. I'll be at the Atlanta National Tour (not in my WRX though), and I might try to hit up a local or two this summer as well.

Karen
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Maybe think about replacing your autox car and leaving the wrx as a DD. You can pick up something much cheaper (ST civic, stock class or ST miata ect) and be more competitive
THIS!!!

Unless the SEB gives the WRX 9" wheels and 265 tires, I think they are done in STX. Maybe if the 2.5l were allowed it would be a different story, but I still think the RX-8 is the car for the class.


It all depends on how much money you want to spend, ESP may be a viable option, but you will still need to spend a good bit of scratch to have a well prepped car. I figured 15K on top of my almost full-prep STX build to make my WRX into an ESP car. (2.5 drivetrain, diffs, wheels x2, fenders, ECU, ETC)
Of course, I'm one of those nutty guys that must have a full-on nationally prepped car. (can't be the driver! Must be the car!)

I still think that an FP build would not be much more if you can do some fabricating.
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Upgraded diffs shouldn't be an issue unless you're spinning tires, and if you're doing that on asphalt with a stock turbo, you have other things to worry about. It will depend on the setup though. For street tire, there won't be an issue. For r-comp tires, you may start lifting on the inside a little too much. If you start 3-wheeling, bye bye power output, but again, one should address the suspension setup and identify why it's happening and if it can be corrected. There isn't much point to 3-wheeling just to do it. I too was on AGX plus Prodrive STI springs, and it's the only time my car's done it. It was low, bottoming out on travel in corners, and really high rebound damping. It was not a happy car at all in corners. This setup was pretty crappy. There are a LOT of things better than that setup, and the car gets really nice once you get the suspension sorted out. It gets a lot more stable, predictable, and can be driven harder with ease.
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Upgraded diffs shouldn't be an issue unless you're spinning tires, and if you're doing that on asphalt with a stock turbo, you have other things to worry about. It will depend on the setup though. For street tire, there won't be an issue. For r-comp tires, you may start lifting on the inside a little too much. If you start 3-wheeling, bye bye power output, but again, one should address the suspension setup and identify why it's happening and if it can be corrected. There isn't much point to 3-wheeling just to do it. I too was on AGX plus Prodrive STI springs, and it's the only time my car's done it. It was low, bottoming out on travel in corners, and really high rebound damping. It was not a happy car at all in corners. This setup was pretty crappy. There are a LOT of things better than that setup, and the car gets really nice once you get the suspension sorted out. It gets a lot more stable, predictable, and can be driven harder with ease.
I have to disagree. In ESP (a race tire class) you need LSDs to be competitive, bcs you WILL spin up a tire with the sock turbo - it doesn't even have to be off the ground, just unloaded, but if you're stiff enough for the class you'll likely lift anyway. When I ran ESP this was a constant problem for me as diffs didn't fit in my budget (after stiff coilovers and Hoosiers hehe).

And even a lot of modern street tires (star specs etc) are grippy enough to cause this. The new street tires are getting awfully close to R comps.

I'm surprised to hear what you said about the prodrive/AGX setup. The prodrives only lower like an inch and a half and are really pretty soft compared to most performance springs on the market. Once I made the switch to Rcomps they were really inadequate. I guess everyone experiences things differently.

OP, sorry got slightly off topic. Anyway, just have fun and let us know what you end up doing.
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OP, sorry got slightly off topic. Anyway, just have fun and let us know what you end up doing.
No worries! Well I can't justify spending 200 or 300 dollars on a new set of springs when what I would really like is a set of coilovers. So with that being said I know for most people the S-Techs are not ideal or even acceptable but, They seem to be working fine with the rest of my setup to keep me compeditive locally. I think with more seat time I will be able to win my region and will eventually get some coilovers. The problem is $900 bucks is had to come by when you are married raising 2 kids

I appreciate all the input on the diffrent class options that I may have if I venture out of my area and attend a national event. I will continue to update this tread after each race and with new modifications to post results and how the car is feeling.

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