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Old 12-02-2012, 03:11 PM   #3901
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Old 12-02-2012, 07:53 PM   #3902
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How can you tell from way back here...stop Trippin...I mean trollin
You can sit here with a straight face and tell me that isn't bad? Are we seeing the same thing? Look at how bad the beam is unevenly lighting the ground in front, and the fact that it's even lighting that much foreground. I ran kits for a while and tried to justify them too, but they just aren't any good, even with the tweaks I did (squirrel finder bent down, clear lens, bulb spacing) to make them work as good as I could get them.

These are comparison shots between the kits I had laying around and a real OEM projector I retrofitted. Keep in mind these are with the Squirrel Finder bent down, so the glare is even worse in his case regardless of the fact that the beam pattern is horrible and the foreground is too lit. (I'm sure he hasn't bent them down, even though it can be done with no baking of the headlamps).



I wish I hadn't spent the money on those silly kits...I ended up throwing them in the closet and running H9 bulbs until I was able to retrofit and get real OEM bowls and D2S bulbs.

I'm not even trying to be one of those trolls who blabber on and on and get angry about people running HID kits, but the truth is in the photo, it just isn't good. I wish I had a photo of the projectors with the squirrel finders up to show the glare being thrown around, its unsightly.
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Old 12-02-2012, 07:58 PM   #3903
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^ so being you have tried all and ended up with the best of, is there a guideline to how high to set the cutoff at what distance from the wall? Something I'm having trouble finding.
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Old 12-02-2012, 08:35 PM   #3904
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I have the DDM Kit. I like it. Better than stock
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Old 12-02-2012, 08:44 PM   #3905
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Drivers in the opposite direction don't.
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Old 12-02-2012, 08:54 PM   #3906
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Old 12-02-2012, 09:05 PM   #3907
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I don't care about them.
Chances are they don't care about you either, so it all evens out in the end.
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Old 12-02-2012, 09:11 PM   #3908
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Old 12-02-2012, 09:15 PM   #3909
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Old 12-02-2012, 09:24 PM   #3910
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^ so being you have tried all and ended up with the best of, is there a guideline to how high to set the cutoff at what distance from the wall? Something I'm having trouble finding.
Are you talking with an HID projector? Color mods blur the cutoff line for the sake of adding color, so it's all according to taste. You could aim for a nice clean cutoff at 25 feet, and for color in the distance, or you could aim for a lot of color closer, and a more blurry cutoff at distance. All of this is controllable by the lens spacing as a whole or by washers on the top edge of the lens.

I used three #6 washers to obtain this cutoff. It is still sharp at 25-30 feet, but then shows a nice blue band of color from there, which loves to turn reflective road signs purple and blue at the right distance.



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Old 12-03-2012, 07:02 AM   #3911
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You can sit here with a straight face and tell me that isn't bad? Are we seeing the same thing? Look at how bad the beam is unevenly lighting the ground in front, and the fact that it's even lighting that much foreground. I ran kits for a while and tried to justify them too, but they just aren't any good, even with the tweaks I did (squirrel finder bent down, clear lens, bulb spacing) to make them work as good as I could get them.

These are comparison shots between the kits I had laying around and a real OEM projector I retrofitted. Keep in mind these are with the Squirrel Finder bent down, so the glare is even worse in his case regardless of the fact that the beam pattern is horrible and the foreground is too lit. (I'm sure he hasn't bent them down, even though it can be done with no baking of the headlamps).

I wish I hadn't spent the money on those silly kits...I ended up throwing them in the closet and running H9 bulbs until I was able to retrofit and get real OEM bowls and D2S bulbs.

I'm not even trying to be one of those trolls who blabber on and on and get angry about people running HID kits, but the truth is in the photo, it just isn't good. I wish I had a photo of the projectors with the squirrel finders up to show the glare being thrown around, its unsightly.
The ddm looks pretty similar to your OEM with halogen. While its not as good as the tsx retrofit...lets face it... Its not bad, thinking of the 2005 impala with reflector beams that drive with them all over Baltimore... Needless to say, I know nasioc is always full of fanboisms of perfect/function. The ddm, in pictures, is as good as oem.

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Drivers in the opposite direction don't.
I drive opposite as him and i really dont find it as annoying as all the Nancy's make it out to be
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Old 12-03-2012, 07:32 AM   #3912
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The ddm looks pretty similar to your OEM with halogen.
It does because I bent the squirrel finder down. It is bent down in both the OEM halogen picture and the DDM picture.

You don't want to see what it looked like stock. The glare was awful. I'm sure the guy above has not even bent the finders down.

These pictures also don't do the beam justice when faced with distances much further than the 15 feet from the wall in these pictures. The inconsistencies in the beam are amplified further (i.e. projected) when the focal distances are increased.

Also, the foreground is horrible. With the way the bowl is designed, the foreground limiter built into the cutoff shield is useless. While the HID kit might throw light further out than the halogen, the highly illuminated foreground kills any benefit. I found myself having to blink constantly and my eyes were fatigued even only after 30 minutes of driving in darkness.

The only true solution for the halogen projector that works and actually increases lighting output is an H9 bulb. I ran H9 bulbs in my car for two years before my STi retro and they were amazing. Pictures of the H9 are below. They blew the stupid HID kits out of the water.




I'm not even going to go into the questionable choice of bulb color, way to ruin any positive effect of running an HID kit...

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Needless to say, I know nasioc is always full of fanboisms of perfect/function.
You're right, NASIOC is full of blow hards who claim all is bad and yell constantly at people for their choice of lighting. Unlike them though, I actually have physical and pictoral proof based on much comparison to show how inadequate HID kit lighting is compared to true OEM HID lighting, and even high powered H9 bulbs, and not just some anecdotal "Daniel Stern said so and he's the God of lighting" nonsense. I've even argued with some of those guys at times that "acceptable" output can be obtained with working with the OEM halogen projector and a kit, but honestly, it really isn't acceptable when you see the comparison between that and a good halogen. The bowls are just way too different.




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Old 12-03-2012, 09:12 AM   #3913
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I drive opposite as him and i really dont find it as annoying as all the Nancy's make it out to be
You must pass him during the day when his lights are off then.
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Old 12-03-2012, 11:06 AM   #3914
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It does because I bent the squirrel finder down. It is bent down in both the OEM halogen picture and the DDM picture.

You don't want to see what it looked like stock. The glare was awful. I'm sure the guy above has not even bent the finders down.

These pictures also don't do the beam justice when faced with distances much further than the 15 feet from the wall in these pictures. The inconsistencies in the beam are amplified further (i.e. projected) when the focal distances are increased.

Also, the foreground is horrible. With the way the bowl is designed, the foreground limiter built into the cutoff shield is useless. While the HID kit might throw light further out than the halogen, the highly illuminated foreground kills any benefit. I found myself having to blink constantly and my eyes were fatigued even only after 30 minutes of driving in darkness.

The only true solution for the halogen projector that works and actually increases lighting output is an H9 bulb. I ran H9 bulbs in my car for two years before my STi retro and they were amazing. Pictures of the H9 are below. They blew the stupid HID kits out of the water.




I'm not even going to go into the questionable choice of bulb color, way to ruin any positive effect of running an HID kit...



You're right, NASIOC is full of blow hards who claim all is bad and yell constantly at people for their choice of lighting. Unlike them though, I actually have physical and pictoral proof based on much comparison to show how inadequate HID kit lighting is compared to true OEM HID lighting, and even high powered H9 bulbs, and not just some anecdotal "Daniel Stern said so and he's the God of lighting" nonsense. I've even argued with some of those guys at times that "acceptable" output can be obtained with working with the OEM halogen projector and a kit, but honestly, it really isn't acceptable when you see the comparison between that and a good halogen. The bowls are just way to different.



Quoted because this is the most useful post in all of MAIC since 2010.
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Old 12-03-2012, 01:23 PM   #3915
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You must pass him during the day when his lights are off then.
Lol, he lives nearby. I see him often...lights on and off.
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:30 PM   #3916
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Enough of the headlight/HID talk.

Why do you all care so much? Don't give me the bull**** answer of "I'm trying to think about the on coming drivers" or "You would be upset if you couldn't see because of their POS HID's" or "Just wait until someone has an accident because of the PnP HID's" blah blah blah.

Buy whatever YOU want. Let people buy what THEY want.

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Old 12-03-2012, 06:05 PM   #3917
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No more suby for me but I still throw up a wave to everyone in one.

Here is the new ride



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Old 12-03-2012, 06:37 PM   #3918
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Old 12-03-2012, 08:59 PM   #3919
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Enough of the headlight/HID talk.

Why do you all care so much? Don't give me the bull**** answer of "I'm trying to think about the on coming drivers" or "You would be upset if you couldn't see because of their POS HID's" or "Just wait until someone has an accident because of the PnP HID's" blah blah blah.

Buy whatever YOU want. Let people buy what THEY want.

****.
That's not how the internet works.
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Old 12-03-2012, 09:24 PM   #3920
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Works like that for me
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Old 12-03-2012, 10:45 PM   #3921
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It does because I bent the squirrel finder down. It is bent down in both the OEM halogen picture and the DDM picture.

You don't want to see what it looked like stock. The glare was awful. I'm sure the guy above has not even bent the finders down.

These pictures also don't do the beam justice when faced with distances much further than the 15 feet from the wall in these pictures. The inconsistencies in the beam are amplified further (i.e. projected) when the focal distances are increased.

Also, the foreground is horrible. With the way the bowl is designed, the foreground limiter built into the cutoff shield is useless. While the HID kit might throw light further out than the halogen, the highly illuminated foreground kills any benefit. I found myself having to blink constantly and my eyes were fatigued even only after 30 minutes of driving in darkness.

The only true solution for the halogen projector that works and actually increases lighting output is an H9 bulb. I ran H9 bulbs in my car for two years before my STi retro and they were amazing. Pictures of the H9 are below. They blew the stupid HID kits out of the water.

I'm not even going to go into the questionable choice of bulb color, way to ruin any positive effect of running an HID kit...



You're right, NASIOC is full of blow hards who claim all is bad and yell constantly at people for their choice of lighting. Unlike them though, I actually have physical and pictoral proof based on much comparison to show how inadequate HID kit lighting is compared to true OEM HID lighting, and even high powered H9 bulbs, and not just some anecdotal "Daniel Stern said so and he's the God of lighting" nonsense. I've even argued with some of those guys at times that "acceptable" output can be obtained with working with the OEM halogen projector and a kit, but honestly, it really isn't acceptable when you see the comparison between that and a good halogen. The bowls are just way too different.
Also +1 for somebody actually doing it right.

Here is my color modded and cleared lenses. I did this almost two years ago, I didn't mod the squirrel finder although I should give it a shot to see if would improve anything.



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Old 12-04-2012, 12:43 AM   #3922
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Enough of the headlight/HID talk.

Why do you all care so much? Don't give me the bull**** answer of "I'm trying to think about the on coming drivers" or "You would be upset if you couldn't see because of their POS HID's" or "Just wait until someone has an accident because of the PnP HID's" blah blah blah.

Buy whatever YOU want. Let people buy what THEY want.

****.

I just walked in.
If anything, there isnt enough informative talk here in MAIC anymore.
If you prefer to continue to dumb it down, I'll let you do what YOU want.



JEFFREY : )
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Old 12-04-2012, 06:51 AM   #3923
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I just walked in.
If anything, there isnt enough informative talk here in MAIC anymore.
If you prefer to continue to dumb it down, I'll let you do what YOU want.



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Get it right. Its Jeffery! Kenneth!
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Old 12-04-2012, 08:20 AM   #3925
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Wrong thread hoss lol
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