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Old 03-19-2011, 11:33 AM   #1
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Default What would make a $25K spec series worth it?

Talking to a few people about what makes a good spec series, one that has endurance over the years. There have been several that have been popular for short time and then there are the ones that have lasted like Spec Miata, Spec E30, Spec Ford Racers etc. Spec 944, Spec Focus and similar just havenít had the same impact, at least not nationally. One thing I have heard about Spec Miata lately though is there are now too many loop holes and many have talked about getting away from the series.

So is it the cost of entry? A good set of rules? The availability of the cars being used? The Entry price for SRF was about $25K but it was popular, any ideas why? What would make a start up cost of say $25K-$30K worth it? Would lower seasonal costs make a difference ($1K to $2K per season)? Actual contingency or prize money if it was below $1K?

Just looking for ideas to help a couple of friends.
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Old 03-19-2011, 12:38 PM   #2
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I think the reason SRF was so popular was the "simplicity" of the cars. They're pure racing cars, no compromise, but at a good price. I think the reason Spec Focus and Spec 944 didn't work was that at the end of the day, the cars were either too tough to keep racing(944), or that they weren't really built for it(Focus). Also, it might be looked at as a cheap way to get into sportscar racing, whereas, the others don't do much for you. Porsche isn't exactly looking to Spec 944 for drivers. Mazda is, however looking to Spec Miata.



Just my completely uneducated two cents.


As far as your original question, bespoke racing cars that can be worked on by one or two people, an engine from an expanding small manufacturer with a presence in smalltime racing, and an affiliation with a sanctioning body. I believe it was you that wanted to see the new FF car in a spec racing class. I think that would be a good idea if Subaru were to expand their touring car efforts in the US.

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Old 03-19-2011, 08:10 PM   #3
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I don't think you're going to see season costs that low. Even Solo 2 costs $500 a season here just for entry costs.
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Old 03-19-2011, 08:29 PM   #4
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I don't think you're going to see season costs that low. Even Solo 2 costs $500 a season here just for entry costs.
That price was for the maintenance and consumable cost alone. Entry fees are the same for almost all AM series, roughly $300-$450 per weekend for two races. Not too bad.
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$1k-2k a season is simply not going to happen. You'll spend more than that in fuel alone (for the car and tow rig). That being said, I think the success of a spec series depends on rules that keep things competitive, as well as keeping the budget in check. Yes, people will always spend more money to take advantage of loopholes in the rules, but for the most part, one of the main appeals of a spec series is the fact that you don't have to spend a ton of money to prep and develop the car because it's a simple formula. The availability of cheap parts for cars like miatas and e30s doesn't hurt either.
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One thing I have heard about Spec Miata lately though is there are now too many loop holes and many have talked about getting away from the series.
My take is that it isnt the loopholes, its that they finally neutered the 99 cars to make them competitive with the 1.6L. There was lots of good data that came out of the last NASA race that indicated (at least to some of us) that with the smaller restrictor, the cars are pretty even. It really boiled down to car prep/driver skill from what I understand.

Like Dan said, you dont have to spend a ton of money to get a good SM package, but you'll be a mid-pack marker at best. All of the top guys are running pro motors and the like. I think thats really where SSM shines, IMO.
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$1k-2k a season is simply not going to happen. You'll spend more than that in fuel alone (for the car and tow rig). That being said, I think the success of a spec series depends on rules that keep things competitive, as well as keeping the budget in check. Yes, people will always spend more money to take advantage of loopholes in the rules, but for the most part, one of the main appeals of a spec series is the fact that you don't have to spend a ton of money to prep and develop the car because it's a simple formula. The availability of cheap parts for cars like miatas and e30s doesn't hurt either.


yeah, the budget number I threw out was not realistic, just trying to get a point across which I didn't do well.
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Old 03-21-2011, 11:57 AM   #8
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As a SRF racer, here's my take...

Everything is known about the SRF, there's no secrets. Set-up are known, and there's nothing really to do to the cars. That means it's mainly abou thte driver. I don't really have to worry about another driver having some new trick piece on his car. I don't have to continually chase the latest "hot fad/set-up". I can also evenly compare myself to the driver next to me cause we have the same equipment. There's not really any loopholes to try and find/sneak thru. The people in the front were there because of talent, not because they had the biggest wallet.

At the national level, yes, money is a bigger factor. Only because people have multiple motors they are always getting rebuilt, or multiple shocks they are getting freshened. I know of a couple people that buy 4 different motors, have them rebuilt and dyno'ed, then sell the worst 2. They have new tires for each race and have a SRF team prep the cars for them. BUT they still had to have talant.

When I was racing SRF's, I was spending about $1000-1500 in entry fees and car prep. (I did have someone else take care of the car) If I needed new tires, that was another $900.
If I were to rent each weekend, that would cost $2500 or so.
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