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Old 03-20-2011, 03:55 AM   #1
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So I am trying to get into rally and I dont want to ruin my DD so I was wondering if it would be cheaper to buy a cheapo car and do all of my own mods to it, or should I buy a "used" rally car off special stage. And if its better to start from scratch aside from the initial car how much would I be looking to spend. And yes I know this will be a HUGE investment.
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Old 03-20-2011, 04:10 AM   #2
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buy a used rally car. thats the route im going.. your talking about staged rally right? if your talking about rally cross it still might be cheaper to buy a used one. alot goes into suspension, cage, seats, all the safety equipment etc.

http://www.dirtyimpreza.com/forums/s...ead.php?t=5388

that pretty much highlights everything you will need to know about costs of staged rally. that site will tell you everything you need to know about offroad racing. good luck man
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Old 03-20-2011, 07:15 AM   #3
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Yep. Buy a used one from specialstage.

Visit a few events, maybe crew for somebody as well. You might find somebody willing to help you through your first few events. Also, doing road rallies will help you get used to the format a rally uses.
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Old 03-20-2011, 09:45 AM   #4
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buy a used rally car. thats the route im going.. your talking about staged rally right? if your talking about rally cross it still might be cheaper to buy a used one. alot goes into suspension, cage, seats, all the safety equipment etc.

http://www.dirtyimpreza.com/forums/s...ead.php?t=5388

that pretty much highlights everything you will need to know about costs of staged rally. that site will tell you everything you need to know about offroad racing. good luck man
Not to be a stickler for terminology, but I have a thing about people referring to rallying as "offroad" racing. Rallying ALWAYS takes place on roads. Sometimes those roads are paved, sometimes they are gravel. Occasionally they will be mud, but they are always routes intended to be used by cars. Off road racing, like Baja, Dakar etc. is a totally different class of event with a totally different set of vehicle requirements.

Rallying in North America usually takes place on more remote and thus rougher roads because that's the only place organizers can get permission to close the roads. In other parts of the world (where people aren't as concerned about getting sued) the roads used are often paved and even run through small towns and villages. Historically rallying is a competition to see who can get from one point to another point the quickest (e.g. Paris to Monaco, NYC to LA) using real roads and real cars.
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Old 03-20-2011, 11:48 AM   #5
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buy. dont build. i've done both and building is not the best alternative.
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Old 03-20-2011, 12:58 PM   #6
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Even though this question has been covered a million plus times, I think it's also important to think realistically about what you can afford, and the actualy use of the vehicle.

I'd like to eventually get into rally myself, however I know it's not realistic at this point. My plan personally is to invest in a separate stock/unprepared vehicle and start off with some auto-x, Rally-x, TSD, and hillclimb type stuff. Focus on the driving end of things, get used to the base vehicle and build it up over time.

The cost associated with this will stil probably be more in the long run than just buying a vehicle outright, but this will provide more immediate gratification, opportunity to work on driving and understanding the vehicle - both in actually driving it as well as understanding its strengths/weaknesses and how to set it up/maintain it.

There are generally more of these grassroots type events locally than actual rallys anyway, and now it's possible to actually earn RA coefficients via hillclimbing.

It's cheaper to learn how to be fast in a slow car than to throw money into a fast car and wreck it on the first corner... or something like that.
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Old 03-20-2011, 01:24 PM   #7
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Dpending on your experience as well certain organizations wont let you start of in an awd turbo car. As well if you buy a PGT STi car think about the part replacement factor, where as buying a older fwd VW or focus, it will build you as a driver better as well as be nicer on your wallet.
If youre made of money then by all means look into a AWD turbo. I belive NASA will allow you to start off with a car like that.
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Old 03-20-2011, 02:16 PM   #8
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Buy pre-made, and avoid oddball cars. The uniqueness of an oddball car is not worth the expense in parts and development time to get it right.
Part of the answer depends on your personality. If you find yourself working on your car all the time because you love doing that stuff, then building the car yourself is not a horrible idea.
If you'd rather spend your time and money driving rather than wrenching, it's best to buy a pre-made car.
Never a bad idea to go crew for a team for a few events to get an idea of what to expect, and also get those network connections for parts etc.
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Old 03-20-2011, 03:51 PM   #9
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To put it in perspective, I have a friend who decided to build his beloved GC into a rally car rather than buy one. A year and a half later he's only competed in two rallies, because 1. it took him a long time to build it (even though he's a car guy) and 2. his budget is gone so he can't afford new parts when something breaks.

You should never get emotionally attached to your rally car. They should be considered disposable. If you can afford a $100,000 disposable car like Block or Pastrana, good for you. If you can only afford a $5,000 disposable car then that should be you rallying budget.
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Go onto the highway, throw 500 out the window, then 2 hours later do it again. If you are okay with that you can stage rally
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To put it in perspective, I have a friend who decided to build his beloved GC into a rally car rather than buy one. A year and a half later he's only competed in two rallies
On a rally scale of success, thats pretty good, I know quite a few people who have years into builds and have never rolled them into a time control.

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Go onto the highway, throw 500 out the window, then 2 hours later do it again. If you are okay with that you can stage rally
And then go spend three nights in any random cheap, (Bates type), motel.

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Rally-x DD ---> Volunteer on rally team --->Team O'Neil or Dirtfish ---> Buy rally car ---> max out credit cards ---> move back in with parents ---> hypnotherapy
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Old 03-20-2011, 10:36 PM   #12
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thanks guys, Im hoping to go team oneil this summer and maybe volunteering if I have the time. Lets hope it all works out
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Come out to Rally TN in a month and say hi, maybe even help out crewing so you can get an idea of what it takes to put a team together. I can always use an extra set of hands!

http://www.facebook.com/dirtyrallysport

I'll be glad to sit down and talk shop about what it takes to make things work. PM me if you're interested in knowing more.
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And then go spend three nights in any random cheap, (Bates type), motel.
Let me recommend the Days Inn in beautiful Elkins, WV (Rally WV '08). It's in a hospital converted to a motel!
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Go onto the highway, throw 500 out the window, then 2 hours later do it again. If you are okay with that you can stage rally
this.

get a 6 figure job first if you can.

don't have kids.

Its OK if you have a gf....she'll leave you anyway after you spend months in the garage, thousands on car parts, and then she only gets 1 night out a year (anniversary, if you remember). <--but if she's OK with that, then hurry up and marry her (but don't spend a lot on the wedding, elope)

no more 'good' beer.

same pair of sneakers for 24 months

no more vacations. (but if the gf forces you on vacation, go someplace where they have rally schools....like WA, or Ireland, or NH)

learn when to 'do it yourself' and when to 'pay a professional'

1st name basis with people at Home depot

LEARN TO WELD (but not on your own cage)

www.mcmastercarr.com

get yelled at by a guy named 'JVL' on www.rallyanarchy.com


^all that, and you might have some fun at a rally (I do)
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I agree with everything above. Just add sell any nice possessions you own to pay for the hobby. Sell all non essential vehicles. Bonus points for dating a girlfriend who already owns the tow vehicle and buys you a trailer for Christmas . Double bonus points if she allows you to buy suspension that swaps onto her car yet allows you to "borrow" the tarmac setup when the time arises.
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Old 03-22-2011, 08:10 AM   #17
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If you have no delusions that you are going to win, it doesn't have to be expensive (relatively).
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WHAT!? the only thing that makes it worth it are my delusions of grandeur!!
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Mitch - UP2MTNS know what he is talking about. Read his posts carefully

More seriously:
I vote for buying a used rally car. More cost-efficient. Although you need to check it carefully before investing the $$$. You will find out that rallying will become the black hole that will suck all your funds. And you will love it for it!
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Scoobie-kid,
I wish I had seen this when you first posted it. There are several people from St. Louis coming to Paris this weekend for the Roxton Rallye de Paris and I am sure we could have found you a ride. Before you start rallying go to as many events as you can and volunteer for everything possible. 100 AW was just 4 weeks ago. It is the 'home' event for St. Louis. Paris and Tennessee are the next two closest events. You should go to them. Hope to see you in the woods soon.
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Bonus points for dating a girlfriend who already owns the tow vehicle and buys you a trailer for Christmas . Double bonus points if she allows you to buy suspension that swaps onto her car yet allows you to "borrow" the tarmac setup when the time arises.
How many said bonus points does one get if GF tosses in $5K to buy a [nicer] rally car, decided we needed RS&SP dampers instead of DMS, asks "why don't we run a VIPEC PnP ECU and get 60 more ft/lb tq?" [which we got 65...], and buys her self a $1K fitted OMP fire suit?...
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How many said bonus points does one get if GF tosses in $5K to buy a [nicer] rally car, decided we needed RS&SP dampers instead of DMS, asks "why don't we run a VIPEC PnP ECU and get 60 more ft/lb tq?" [which we got 65...], and buys her self a $1K fitted OMP fire suit?...
I noticed you said "GF" instead of wife...you had better change that quickly or someone else might
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Not to be a stickler for terminology, but I have a thing about people referring to rallying as "offroad" racing. Rallying ALWAYS takes place on roads. Sometimes those roads are paved, sometimes they are gravel. Occasionally they will be mud, but they are always routes intended to be used by cars. Off road racing, like Baja, Dakar etc. is a totally different class of event with a totally different set of vehicle requirements.

Rallying in North America usually takes place on more remote and thus rougher roads because that's the only place organizers can get permission to close the roads. In other parts of the world (where people aren't as concerned about getting sued) the roads used are often paved and even run through small towns and villages. Historically rallying is a competition to see who can get from one point to another point the quickest (e.g. Paris to Monaco, NYC to LA) using real roads and real cars.

i apologize for my lack of correct terminology in this. i was using the term as best represented by most people in north america. i understand a rally is a point to point race where the best time wins, how ever in north america the are between those points are either dirt, snow, mud, or gravel. the term offroad is incorrect but i think most people understood what it was i was getting at. next time ill try to be more careful of the terminology that i use.

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thanks for clarifying the "offroad" thing about rally. after 10 years of hooning on gravel, snow, mud and tarmac with Last Ditch Racing, believe me the plan is to stay ON the road at all times (or at least the vast majority of it)
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thanks guys, Im hoping to go team oneil this summer and maybe volunteering if I have the time. Lets hope it all works out
Bolding mine. Be careful. If you don't have the time to do volunteering (crew or event), when will you have the time to rally. Rally takes a relatively enoromous amount of time (or money if you want to pay someone else to work on and tow your car, etc).
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