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Old 04-19-2007, 11:43 AM   #1
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One area I'm really worried about for Subaru is fuel economy for the bread and butter 2008 Impreza 2.5i. If nothing changes, the 2008 model with auto will be rated 20/25, which is horrible for the class. Boost that up to 22/28 and it is still really poor:

25/36 for the Civic
23/31 Mazda3
26/35 Corolla
25/31 Matrix
23/27 Caliber
22/29 Cobalt
23/31 Focus

Does Subaru need a car below the Impreza again?

Legacy is also going to be hurting:
auto 2.5L turbo or auto H6 Legacy is down to 17/23 rating according to EPA.

In comparision:
Camry V6 auto: 19/28
Accord V6 auto: 18/26
Mazda6 V6 auto: 17/25

Newest engine getting the best mileage here, nevermind the AWD issue. With that said, 17/23 looks bad to window shoppers, especially in comparision to the much larger on the inside Camry/Accord. Direct injection can't come soon enough...

forester: 20/25
crv: 19/26
Rav4 (4cyl): 20/25

Problem with this comparision is that the competition is much bigger, yet fuel economy is the same.
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Old 04-19-2007, 11:49 AM   #2
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i dont think it will make a big diff.

i get 25 mpg highway with my old obs, im happy
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Old 04-19-2007, 11:50 AM   #3
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wow, interesting new ratings.

I never found it hard to exceed the (considered generous by today's ratings) 22/28 rating on my Legacy, even with all the miles it has on it now.

But I don't know if I agree with you on the "tough to sell" part...that's a lot smaller gap between the Impreza and the rest than it used to be.
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Old 04-19-2007, 12:13 PM   #4
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^^Agree; the gap is not that bad. Plus you are comparing AWD to FWD. Subaru is never going to be able to compete with FDW cars on fuel economy.
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Old 04-19-2007, 12:21 PM   #5
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^^Agree; the gap is not that bad. Plus you are comparing AWD to FWD. Subaru is never going to be able to compete with FDW cars on fuel economy.
i suspect it could if they used super light materials for the drive train but we all know that wouldnt be too cost effective

my 2001 s10 was getting like 20 mpg max (4 cyl AT) and my 5 sp obs gets 25-26

maybe the auto tranny was the thing that killed the mileage..
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Old 04-19-2007, 12:23 PM   #6
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perhaps the new diesel will help with that. Base/economy models may get that instead of the standard H4.
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Old 04-19-2007, 12:25 PM   #7
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Were the numbers you got for the 08 impreza using the new standards? What about the other cars? For 08 the epa revised the way they got the numbers to be more realistic.
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Old 04-19-2007, 12:35 PM   #8
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Blah...I think most people would consider the Subaru over any of those cars for the AWD not the MPG.

With that being said I'd like to see Subaru bring the R1 over for a mini compact car or introduce the H-4 Diesel of the American market.
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Old 04-19-2007, 12:36 PM   #9
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add in that subaru is all wheel drive and has a bigger engine then most of those, i think if not all of them, and it's a moot point.
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Old 04-19-2007, 12:41 PM   #10
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I don't think they are really as bad as we make them out to be. I get around 27ish on my stage 1 02 wrx and my parents 05 Legacy gets 30+ on highway trips...
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Old 04-19-2007, 12:43 PM   #11
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In both my 06 WRX and my 06 Legacy OB 2.5i I've found that on the freeway I can outdo the factory mpg pretty well. I think I recall getting a 30 or 31 before on a long drive with cruise control set conservatively.

I do wish we could still get a FWD base Impreza over here or that they would send the R1, R2 or Stella. Given what the Versa, Yaris, Fit, Scions and others are doing, Subaru should get on the ball and be only fashionably late to the party instead of showing up typically helplessly late.

The US is starting to pull our heads out of our asses for efficiency and small/efficient cars are being noticed again.
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Old 04-19-2007, 12:45 PM   #12
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didn;'t know the 2.5i was that low actually.
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Old 04-19-2007, 01:26 PM   #13
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In both my 06 WRX and my 06 Legacy OB 2.5i I've found that on the freeway I can outdo the factory mpg pretty well. I think I recall getting a 30 or 31 before on a long drive with cruise control set conservatively.

I do wish we could still get a FWD base Impreza over here or that they would send the R1, R2 or Stella. Given what the Versa, Yaris, Fit, Scions and others are doing, Subaru should get on the ball and be only fashionably late to the party instead of showing up typically helplessly late.

The US is starting to pull our heads out of our asses for efficiency and small/efficient cars are being noticed again.
Subaru has missed the boat on a small 2 seater convertable along with a small compact car.

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Old 04-19-2007, 01:41 PM   #14
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^^Do you mean "missed the boat"?

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I do wish we could still get a FWD base Impreza over here
Subaru got killed in the early 90s trying to compete against the Civic and Corolla; that's one reason they went to AWD across the line. People who are primarily concerned about fuel economy are simply not a logical market for Subaru. That may change when the hybid and/or diesel arrive or they sell a minicar, but not with the current Impreza.
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i suspect it could if they used super light materials for the drive train but we all know that wouldnt be too cost effective
Yup; nobody is going to pay extra for that. Subaru is in fact going the other way; due to rising aluminum costs they are using a lot less of it.
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Old 04-19-2007, 01:50 PM   #16
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From fueleconomy.gov for 2007:

3.0L Fusion AWD 19/26
3.0L 500 AWD 19/25
2.0L A4 Quattro 22/30
3.1L A6 Quattro 19/27
2.5L Legacy 23/30
2.5L Impreza 23/28
3.0L Outback 19/26

Pretty comparible for AWD...
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Old 04-19-2007, 02:05 PM   #17
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2.5 should not be that bad. I get 29 mpg on highway on my 2.5 Impreza (non-turbo) and 25mpg combination.
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Old 04-19-2007, 02:13 PM   #18
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perhaps the new diesel will help with that. Base/economy models may get that instead of the standard H4.
If they follow other manufacturers, the diesel will be a premium offering price-wise.
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Old 04-19-2007, 02:34 PM   #19
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Other than the A4, the other cars are huge in comparision to the Legacy/Outback.

Fusion has 10 more cubic fee of interior space and 4 more cubic feet of trunk space, the 3.0L is also being updated with the 3.5L goodies, which is going to boost economy a bit.

The 2.5L from Subaru just seems to suck down the fuel... Subarus are smaller and lighter than almost all of their competition (CRV and RAV4 for example are at least 300 pounds heavier) yet fuel economy isn't showing the difference.

I'm just hoping folks shopping don't get fuel economy sticker shock, especially when cross-shopping. That or Subaru has some Toyota direct injection/other engine secrets up their sleeve.
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Old 04-19-2007, 02:37 PM   #20
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Well if it makes you feel any better, the old EJ18 motors werent exactly fuel savers either..

ive heard countless peopel say their 2.5 RS's got better MPG then the ej18s they had ..
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Well if it makes you feel any better, the old EJ18 motors werent exactly fuel savers either..

ive heard countless peopel say their 2.5 RS's got better MPG then the ej18s they had ..
my EJ18 was just so underpowered and torqueless that my foot was always in it just to keep up with traffic or make a hill, hence low mpg.
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my EJ18 was just so underpowered and torqueless that my foot was always in it just to keep up with traffic or make a hill, hence low mpg.
exactly

i have one, i thought something was wrong with it because it runs like crap below 3K rpm, but i just learned to shift alittle later, runs pretty smooth doing that

i can shift at 2200-3000 rpm on my wagon (ej22) and be okay. The ej18 makes good power above 3K.

I do suspect that on a long flat highway it could get some decent numbers in though
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If you want fuel economy and a FWD car with no soul get a Civic.
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i got 31/32 mpg
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