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Old 03-23-2011, 03:37 PM   #1
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I am trying to decide how to proceed with getting myself back on track (HPDE only) after having my car taken from me by a reckless driver. It appears as though my STi will be totaled. With the amount of cash it sounds like I will get from insurance (seems low, but not sure how to get more), I will have a few thousand left over after paying off the loan.

I won't really have enough down to afford payments on a 2011 STi. I will probably have enough to get a 2011 WRX, and maybe even some early upgrades.

For those of you who have tracked a WRX regularly, are wheel bearings the main reliability issue between the STi and WRX? I would probably get a BBK right away, but other than that, are there WRX-specific issues I should consider before buying this car with the intention of using it on track as well as occasionally on the street (probably almost as much as my LGT, soon to be revived as my DD).
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Old 03-23-2011, 03:45 PM   #2
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wow sorry to hear that Ryan, I take it someone hit you? I really don't have an answer with regards to the WRX and HPDE durability. Too bad I just got rid of my 08 STI about 3 weeks ago, I could have hooked you up. You going to LR on 4-2?
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Old 03-23-2011, 03:55 PM   #3
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I am only planning on the race weekends so far this season, so no LRP for me. I'm pretty sure I won't have a ride for NJMP in April, but I'm hoping to have something figured out in plenty of time for the Grand Slam in July.

cliff notes: Jeep Liberty went through her red light trying to turn left across a 4-lane 55mph highway, apparently without even looking up to see if any headlights were coming.
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Old 03-23-2011, 04:56 PM   #4
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If you don't think you're getting enough don't take their offer. Sense you're dealing with the other driver's company don't worry about being polite 100% of the time. Get your agent involved if you feel like youre being treated unfairly

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but really are you set on another subaru for your track duties?
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Old 03-23-2011, 05:21 PM   #5
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Actually, the offer is from my insurance because they have not gotten the other insurance company to admit liability yet. I am planning to push that through sooner to see if my insurance company starts treating me differently.

I certainly thought about some of the other standard track cars...cheap ones like spec miata, spec E30, etc., as well as the "budget-friendly" vettes. I am not opposed to switching away from Subaru or going RWD. I have no desire to go FWD. Also, I am not trying to choose the car that will make me the best driver in 5 years so that I can be more competitive. I just want a car as fun as the STi was on track (AWD definitely made me more comfortable pushing to the limits). 100hp momentum cars have their merits, but it's just not what I am interested in.

The kicker is that I would also like something that is very safe in an accident on track or the street, which does make it harder to get away from Subaru because this won't end up caged. Buying a tow vehicle and trailer is not in the cards, so I need a car that can be street-driven, and I really want something that I would be able to drive on occasions other than heading to the track.
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Old 03-23-2011, 05:36 PM   #6
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Sorry to hear as well. I'll keep you posted if my STI doesn't sell (odds are it will though to the current buyer).
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Old 03-23-2011, 05:40 PM   #7
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Actually, the offer is from my insurance because they have not gotten the other insurance company to admit liability yet. I am planning to push that through sooner to see if my insurance company starts treating me differently.

I certainly thought about some of the other standard track cars...cheap ones like spec miata, spec E30, etc., as well as the "budget-friendly" vettes. I am not opposed to switching away from Subaru or going RWD. I have no desire to go FWD. Also, I am not trying to choose the car that will make me the best driver in 5 years so that I can be more competitive. I just want a car as fun as the STi was on track (AWD definitely made me more comfortable pushing to the limits). 100hp momentum cars have their merits, but it's just not what I am interested in.

The kicker is that I would also like something that is very safe in an accident on track or the street, which does make it harder to get away from Subaru because this won't end up caged. Buying a tow vehicle and trailer is not in the cards, so I need a car that can be street-driven, and I really want something that I would be able to drive on occasions other than heading to the track.
Ok that makes sense, but the same rules apply in that you can get your agent to push on the claims rep and you never have to settle for a first offer.

I would think about e36's and 944's as well as they seem to fit the bill. I guess I just always think about putting a car into a wall, and walking away from a car you still owe money on would be tough
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Old 03-23-2011, 05:55 PM   #8
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Yeah, I've been hearing from a lot of people not to accept their first offer, so I'm holding on to some hope that I'll get a little more out of this. It is still very doubtful it would be enough to put me in a new STi, and used STi's just aren't cheap enough to justify the unknown usage or mileage, so I wouldn't want to owe much on one.

I am in the fortunate situation that my insurance covers HPDE sessions as long as there is no timed competition. Since I am in timing and scoring, I can't run in the timed sessions anyway. I certainly don't want to wreck my car, and I always figured that if I did, I wouldn't be able to afford getting back out there, but the insurance would at least cover my situation to keep it from being a complete financial nightmare. It's just frustrating that someone being horribly neglectful on the street is the reason my car was taken out of commission, and that it will still be somewhat of a financial hit.

Walking away from this car is already hard enough, given the hours of work that has gone into it (mostly done by others b/c I suck as a mechanic), and all the parts I've changed to make it perform well and reliably. Not that I'd want to stuff a new car at the track, but that might actually be less painful for me, especially with the cash value being a lot higher than what they are offering for this one.
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Old 03-23-2011, 07:02 PM   #9
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I have a totally stock 2011 5-door WRX, and went to the Barber Motorsports Park with 2000 miles on it. I was able to drive 2 sessions in pretty wet conditions with absolutely no problems. However, on the first dry session, the brakes faded about half way through the 25 minute session. Barber is a pretty tight track, with 17 turns. I thought the car was absolutely amazing in stock form. The car dominated in the wet conditions, and really held its own in the dry as well. I didn't know where to start with cold tire temps, so I went out on 29 psi all the way around. In the beginning of the session the car had crisp turn in with no significant understeer. Half-way through the dry session, the tire pressures built up quite a bit and understeer became more of a problem. But felt that the tires had great traction overall.

About the time the tire pressures were increasing, the brakes started fading. I still had plenty of stopping power, but the pedal was getting pretty soft, and it stayed that way until I flushed the fluid and replaced the pads. Everyone talks about how bad this car handles in stock form, but I found it to be an excellent package considering it was bone stock. I replaced the pads with Stoptech street performance pads, and flushed the fluid with Motul RBF600. I plan to install some eibach sway bars next, and see how it goes. Obviously I can't speak to the durability of the hubs, but I have been wondering the same thing myself.

Anyhow, hope this helps.
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Old 03-23-2011, 08:30 PM   #10
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Had you driven Barber before? That always looked like a fun track to me.

I figured I would have to upgrade the brakes a bit, certainly the fluid and pad compound at a minimum, but I suspect they will be too small, even with the stock suspension. You didn't change the fluid or brakes until after the first track day, right?
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Old 03-23-2011, 09:35 PM   #11
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I've driven at Barber several times in a Cayman that was track prepared. I love that place! Originally I had no intentions of driving the WRX at the track three weeks ago, but it rained real heavy on Saturday and the PCA guys did a tech inspection and allowed me to run. The car was totally stock. I had to drive back to Hattiesburg, Ms with a soft brake pedal but I made it! I replaced the pads with Stoptech street performance pads and flushed the fluid. I was a little suprised when I had the rear pads in my hand, they are tiny. But after bedding the pads in, you would be amazed at the stopping power. Obviously I can't speak to their performance on the track, but Stoptech says they are good for street, autox, and track use, and they cost a little over $100 which I thought was great.

I planned to get a set of pads for the street and a set for the track, but they are a pain in the ass to change. I'm sure you know, but you have to take the caliper off the hubs, and you don't have much room to work. I'm no mechanic, and that was the first time I've ever tried to change pads on anything other than a mountain bike.

Anyhow, as I said, the stock brakes faded at the track. Someone told me that the discs were probably glazed. They were not warped or anything, and after looking at the pads (which were not severely worn) and the discs (which looked fine and didn't shimmy), the conclusion was that the fluid might have gotten hot. Hopefully the braking issues have been resolved.

The harsh reality is that it rains a lot down south. So while my Dad and I share the Cayman, it is not uncommon to get rained out 1 out of 2 track days. This is obviously a devistating outcome. I plan to install the Eibach sway bars front and rear by May. At that point, I may drive the WRX at Barber again in June on the Dunlop SP01's.
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Old 03-24-2011, 12:45 AM   #12
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I would make sure to get a good test drive first if I was you before deciding on a 11 WRX for hdpe events. I love the car for daily driving, but once you start really getting on it, the shifting is absolutely terrible. See my thread here:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2135883

I have similar discussions started in other forums to get more of a collective input, and everything is pointing towards the same thing: The upshift speed on this drivetrain is unacceptably slow for a road course event and there is not much you can do short of upgrades that void your powertrain warranty. I know how a fast shifting car should feel and act like, and this car is far from it. If I had bought this car with the intention of taking it to the track (semi) regularly like I do with my lotus exige, I would have sold it immediately or never bought it.

I did not test drive an sti but I'm sure it is much better with its 6 speed, but I did drive a base evo and the upshift response was light years ahead of the wrx. In fact I didn't know a drivetrain could be this sluggish until I bought this car. I thought it was something that would correct itself once the car was broken in, but 3000 miles later same issue.
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I would make sure to get a good test drive first if I was you before deciding on a 11 WRX for hdpe events. I love the car for daily driving, but once you start really getting on it, the shifting is absolutely terrible. See my thread here:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2135883

I have similar discussions started in other forums to get more of a collective input, and everything is pointing towards the same thing: The upshift speed on this drivetrain is unacceptably slow for a road course event and there is not much you can do short of upgrades that void your powertrain warranty. I know how a fast shifting car should feel and act like, and this car is far from it. If I had bought this car with the intention of taking it to the track (semi) regularly like I do with my lotus exige, I would have sold it immediately or never bought it.

I did not test drive an sti but I'm sure it is much better with its 6 speed, but I did drive a base evo and the upshift response was light years ahead of the wrx. In fact I didn't know a drivetrain could be this sluggish until I bought this car. I thought it was something that would correct itself once the car was broken in, but 3000 miles later same issue.
you have an exige but bought a wrx to track instead? mind=explode
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you have an exige but bought a wrx to track instead? mind=explode
hahahha god NO. I bought a wrx for a dd. I was just saying that, if I had bought the wrx for the track, I'd have sold it immediately or traded for something else because of the horribly slow upshifts. Luckily I do have a car that properly shifts in a track situation...

Of course I do love my subbie as a dd =) you just won't catch me on a track with it.
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Ryan I just picked up an S2000 and it is a blast. Obviously very different from the STI, it actually wants to turn and I feel soooo connected. I haven't touched the car besided brakelines, fluid, pads and Z1ss. If you plan on using your LGT for dd maybe something like this would be a nice change for you. I wouldn't want to use the s2000 for a dd, it is too small and hyper just puttin around town for me but the car just comes alive when the opportunity presents itself. Prices are pretty good, mine is a 2006 with 20,000 miles, never driven in the rain, it was a weekend car that never got proper use and I got it for 22,100.
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Ryan I just picked up an S2000 and it is a blast. Obviously very different from the STI, it actually wants to turn and I feel soooo connected. I haven't touched the car besided brakelines, fluid, pads and Z1ss. If you plan on using your LGT for dd maybe something like this would be a nice change for you. I wouldn't want to use the s2000 for a dd, it is too small and hyper just puttin around town for me but the car just comes alive when the opportunity presents itself. Prices are pretty good, mine is a 2006 with 20,000 miles, never driven in the rain, it was a weekend car that never got proper use and I got it for 22,100.
I'd consider something like that. the price is just below the 08 STi's, and its above the 05. I wish this had happened a couple months sooner for a lot of reasons, but your STi would have definitely been a good choice for me. I have thought about a few other AWD/RWD options, but one reason I keep coming back to a Subaru is how much safer they are in an accident on the street or the track. I don't plan on caging the car because it will still be used on the street.
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yeah I put a Harddog rollbar in the car also since there isn't a roof over my head with the Honda. I found my old car at a Subaru dealer in Lancaster, they want $31,817 for it!!!
http://www.lancastercountysubaru.com...mpreza/PS11302
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Old 03-24-2011, 10:27 AM   #18
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It sounds like the S2000 is actually relatively safe, and they are a bit more affordable than a similar mileage STi. It's going to be hard for me to not have an STi any more if I go that route, though.

Your STi is a low mileage 2008. That seems to be pretty typical pricing, which is the problem I am having. Unfortunately, I could probably get a decent 06-07, but I just don't like the way it looks enough to want one.
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I thought I was going to miss my STI but after spending an afternoon with the S2000 I couldn't be happier. Don't get me wrong it's not the best car in the world and I have yet to drive it on track but I think I made the right choice.
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you can get a clean ap2 for much cheaper than that fyi, and sub 12 if you were to go ap1

I picked my 06 up for 22 with 40k on the clock. that was with oem hard top (sold it for 2400) Mugen rims (sold sans tires for 2300) and an extra set or stock rims with new star specs. O it also had coils (sold for 700 after I got custom koni's) and some small things like a lowered seat rail and little apearance items.
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Old 03-24-2011, 08:12 PM   #21
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things are looking up for getting some of my money back out of this car, so I might be in the market for a hatch STi. I really think I do want another STi if I can get one I like, rather than another type of car. I really think it has the right mix of everything I want more than any other car.
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