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Old 02-07-2013, 09:09 PM   #1551
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The 2011+ Subaru WRX has great big bulged out fenders, just like the STI has had since 2008. We've been getting a lot of questions about wheel and tire fitment on these cars, and I've seen a lot here on NASIOC, so I thought I'd address it.

The bigger bodywork allows for the fitment of wider wheels and tires. Wider tires look cool, and more importantly, they can help generate a lot more lateral grip. HOWEVER, a lot of the questions I get are asking about fitments that are either too low of an offset, too wide of a tire, or some combination of the two. Oh, and there's the bolt pattern problem, too.

First off, some basics: The WRX has a bolt pattern of 5x100 and a hub bore of 56.1mm. The stock wheel is a 17x8" +53 offset with a 235/45R17 tire. That tire size means the stock tire has a diameter of 25.3".

That 5x100 bolt pattern means factory STI wheels WILL NOT fit, since the STI uses a 5x114 bolt pattern.

Now, if you want to fit larger/wider wheels and tires, you'll want to try to keep the wheel offset as close as possible to stock. I'd generally try for an offset near the stock +53. +48 is very common. Depending on how wide the wheels and tires are, though, the offset will have to go lower, or the tire may bump into the strut in the front.

From experience, a 9.5" wide wheel will work at around +40 (give or take a couple of mm). The lower offset allows decent tire clearance on the inside. Steering feel is slightly worse from the lower offset, but it's not terrible. A 265/35R18 tire happens to be within 0.1% of the stock size, and that fits pretty well. (You may have to do minor fender rolling at the back if the car is lowered. It depends on the tire...not all 265/35R18 are created equal.)

Here's an example of this fitment:

18x9.5 +38 Rota Option, 265/35R18 Michelin Pilot A/S

The car above is lowered on Epic Engineering springs. We rolled the rear fenders.

18x9.5 +40 Rota D-Force, 265/35R18 Kumho V700

That's our shop car above. Rear fenders rolled, lowered on Cusco coilovers.

If you still want more meat under the car, you can run a 275 width. We've done several cars with 275/35R18. That's a tight squeeze if the car is lowered. Rolling is definitely required in back.

18x9.5 +40 Rota D-Force, 275/35R18 Dunlop Direzza Z-1 Star Spec

The gray car has Swift lowering springs.

Our shop car with Rays G-Games 99B 19x9.5 +40, Cooper 2XS 275/30R19.

We have not yet tried 285/35R18, for a couple of reasons. One is that the tire is 2.1% larger than the stock 2011+ WRX tire, slightly over our 2% rule of thumb in terms of variance from stock. The other reason is that since the diameter grows along with the width, the clearance problem will get worse. I think that tire would rub at all four corners with any amount of lowering or suspension compression.

I realize I've used some STI cars as examples above, but the WRX bodywork is identical, so for our purposes these are still useful comparisons.

If you want absolutely NO fitment problems, go with a smaller tire, like a 255/35R18. Given an offset between about +40 to +48, there should be no rubbing, even when mildly lowered. Stock STI tires, which are 245/40R18, are also an easy fit.

I mentioned rolling the rear fenders. Customers often ask me about rolling the fronts. They usually do not need to be rolled, but even if you wanted to there's almost no lip up there to roll, and what lip is there incorporates clips that secure the fender liner to the fender. Get rid of those clips and your fender liner is going to have to go. We suggest retaining your fender liners. They keep road debris and moisture out of your car's inner bodywork.

Note that the bigger tires may rub bit of the rear bumper cover. We trimmed that back on some of the cars with 275/35R18 tires.

I see some people with the widebody cars running lower offsets, sometimes much lower, like +30 or +25. I DO NOT recommend doing this. Sure, it looks kind of cool (if that's your thing), but generally you are going to have to go with a SMALLER tire size to alleviate fender contact problems. What's the point of having big wide wheels if your contact patch is the same as stock? Secondly, as the offset gets lower your wheel centerline is getting farther and farther away from the axis of your steering. The steering feel gets messed up -- to me it feels vague and it tends to want to steer left and right on acceleration or braking, due to the wheel trying to pivot around the steering axis. This effect gets worse with lowering.

So, that's my experiences with stuffing big wheels and tires onto the 2011+ WRX. I hope this provides some help when you are shopping for wheels and tires.

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Old 02-07-2013, 09:11 PM   #1552
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Old 02-07-2013, 09:42 PM   #1553
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This question might have been asked before, please don't shoot
I'm planning on running enkei nt03s 18x9.5 + 40 with 255/35, lowered on rce blacks and rolled fenders, I know they'll fit fine. Question is if i want to tuck them in a little more for a cleaner fit, would any of you recommend camber bolts to get -1.5f/-2r, or would you opt for the plates? This is my daily driver/weekend canyon carver.
Also any recommendations of alignment shops in the Socal area.
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Old 02-07-2013, 09:56 PM   #1554
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This question might have been asked before, please don't shoot
I'm planning on running enkei nt03s 18x9.5 + 40 with 255/35, lowered on rce blacks and rolled fenders, I know they'll fit fine. Question is if i want to tuck them in a little more for a cleaner fit, would any of you recommend camber bolts to get -1.5f/-2r, or would you opt for the plates? This is my daily driver/weekend canyon carver.
Also any recommendations of alignment shops in the Socal area.
Thanks

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Go to west end alignment. Darin and Chris do it right over there. I dont know what kind of camber you will get from the bolts but camber plates are definitely going to work and they look sweet when you pop the hood
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Old 02-07-2013, 10:38 PM   #1555
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Alright I'll check those guys out, thanks.
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Old 02-08-2013, 12:16 AM   #1556
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I've heard they are the best alignment shop as well. Very popular though, appointment will probably be at least a week and a half out. Might not be spelled like that either could be wrong though.
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Old 02-08-2013, 11:18 AM   #1557
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... would any of you recommend camber bolts to get -1.5f/-2r, or would you opt for the plates?
Clay
Not sure if this is the right thread for this question, but I wanna know the answer too.
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Old 02-10-2013, 02:05 PM   #1558
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08' STi, lowered 1" with coil-overs. Decambered for racing. 17 inch wheels.
17x9, +48, 949 6ULR race wheels shod with 255x40 R17 Toyo R-888's. 25.03" diameter. Stock for my car is 25.7" I had to roll the rear fenders just a tad.

Earlier, I think I saw it said that there were no wide 17" rims over 9" wide with enough offset to clear the stock Brembo calipers. I found 17x10 Enkei RPF1 5x114.3 +38mm and wonder if,
1. they are race-worthy wheels (heard they were soft, but light)
2. will they clear the Brembos with their 38mm offset?
3. will any BBK fit? (looks as if Stoptech ST-40, with 13" rotors for GD's with 17" wheels may fit) This would be 7.2% more rotor area and bigger pads.
4. Know of anything else that will work?
If it matters, I want to run 265 slicks or DOT legal tires. These are usually 37-40 aspect ratio. Not sure if I could run 275's.
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Old 02-10-2013, 02:24 PM   #1559
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A quick question does anyone know how much inner clearance we have from wheel to strut?
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Old 02-10-2013, 06:28 PM   #1560
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08' STi, lowered 1" with coil-overs. Decambered for racing. 17 inch wheels.
17x9, +48, 949 6ULR race wheels shod with 255x40 R17 Toyo R-888's. 25.03" diameter. Stock for my car is 25.7" I had to roll the rear fenders just a tad.

Earlier, I think I saw it said that there were no wide 17" rims over 9" wide with enough offset to clear the stock Brembo calipers. I found 17x10 Enkei RPF1 5x114.3 +38mm and wonder if,
1. they are race-worthy wheels (heard they were soft, but light)
2. will they clear the Brembos with their 38mm offset?
3. will any BBK fit? (looks as if Stoptech ST-40, with 13" rotors for GD's with 17" wheels may fit) This would be 7.2% more rotor area and bigger pads.
4. Know of anything else that will work?
If it matters, I want to run 265 slicks or DOT legal tires. These are usually 37-40 aspect ratio. Not sure if I could run 275's.
Hi Scargod,
I note that you needed to slightly rolls the rear fender to run the 255/40R17 on the 17x9. I'm considering running those size tires on Rota Grids 17x9 +42 wheels on a stock suspension, non-lowered 2011 WRX and wondered if you thought I'd have to roll the rear fenders. Others have suggested that i should have no problems, but you comment sparked a "measure twice purchase once" query.

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Old 02-12-2013, 08:44 AM   #1561
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I'll stick my neck out and say decisively that you will not have a clearance problem. Though my rear fenders are about "half" rolled I can put my fingers between the tire and lip everywhere. You will gain an additional 6mm of clearance with the 42 offset. It may be within 3-6mm on one small area (can't remember exactly where on the wheel well lip it was), but it should clear.
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Old 02-12-2013, 10:23 PM   #1562
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Mewob:
I'll stick my neck out and say decisively that you will not have a clearance problem. Though my rear fenders are about "half" rolled I can put my fingers between the tire and lip everywhere. You will gain an additional 6mm of clearance with the 42 offset. It may be within 3-6mm on one small area (can't remember exactly where on the wheel well lip it was), but it should clear.
Thanks a bunch Scargod, really appreciate your considered response and from what you've described things should be just fine.
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Old 02-15-2013, 10:29 PM   #1563
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I'll stick my neck out and say decisively that you will not have a clearance problem. Though my rear fenders are about "half" rolled I can put my fingers between the tire and lip everywhere. You will gain an additional 6mm of clearance with the 42 offset. It may be within 3-6mm on one small area (can't remember exactly where on the wheel well lip it was), but it should clear.
Hi Scargod,
I got to thinking about the offset difference of 6mm. If I understand correctly a 42 offset vs your 48 offset would move the outer wheel lip and tire 6mm further to the outside of the car, hence closer to the fender. If this is correct then I'd be losing 6mm of clearance from the fenders compared to your setup, or am I mistaken?
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Old 02-16-2013, 07:54 AM   #1564
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Hi Scargod,
I got to thinking about the offset difference of 6mm. If I understand correctly a 42 offset vs your 48 offset would move the outer wheel lip and tire 6mm further to the outside of the car, hence closer to the fender. If this is correct then I'd be losing 6mm of clearance from the fenders compared to your setup, or am I mistaken?
Cheers
Look at this calculator, if you haven't already. http://www.1010tires.com/wheeloffsetcalculator.asp
You are correct. I misspoke. I know I rolled the rears a little just for insurance. I didn't want them to rub under high G's on the track.
I believe the clearance was tightest towards the back and it was right on the verge of rubbing. I think you will have to roll a little. Perhaps not have to touch the whole lip, but rolling some in certain spots.
Sorry about the waffling. I'm getting old and senile...
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08' STi, lowered 1" with coil-overs. Decambered for racing. 17 inch wheels.
17x9, +48, 949 6ULR race wheels shod with 255x40 R17 Toyo R-888's. 25.03" diameter. Stock for my car is 25.7" I had to roll the rear fenders just a tad.

Earlier, I think I saw it said that there were no wide 17" rims over 9" wide with enough offset to clear the stock Brembo calipers. I found 17x10 Enkei RPF1 5x114.3 +38mm and wonder if,
1. they are race-worthy wheels (heard they were soft, but light)
2. will they clear the Brembos with their 38mm offset?
3. will any BBK fit? (looks as if Stoptech ST-40, with 13" rotors for GD's with 17" wheels may fit) This would be 7.2% more rotor area and bigger pads.
4. Know of anything else that will work?
If it matters, I want to run 265 slicks or DOT legal tires. These are usually 37-40 aspect ratio. Not sure if I could run 275's.
1. Yes, TONS and TONS of track cars have run these cars for many many years.
2. Yes, I have a set of 17x10 +38 RPF1s and they clear Brembos without spacers.
3. Most BBKs give you more spoke clearance over Brembos.
4. That's a 17? CCW? There's a set for sale right now.

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Old 02-16-2013, 03:21 PM   #1566
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Just a reminder to all of us WRX owners - the STi wheels will NOT fit the WRX. WRX owners cannot 'easily' use the wheels that Scargod and nhat mentioned earlier.

WRX stock wheels are 17 x 8", 56.1 mm bore, 5 x 100 bolt pattern, +53mm offset, about 22 lbs.

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Old 02-16-2013, 07:16 PM   #1567
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Just a reminder to all of us WRX owners - the STi wheels will NOT fit the WRX. WRX owners cannot 'easily' use the wheels that Scargod and nhat mentioned earlier.
Any 05+ sti wheel will easily fit the 2011+ wrx with 15-25mm conversion spacers. No fender mods.

As far as the wheels mentioned, they are also pretty easy to fit on the new chassis. May be you are confused on something....

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Pretty heavy for a 17x8 wheel.
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Old 02-16-2013, 07:28 PM   #1568
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Here is what Dan said in post #1 ...

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That 5x100 bolt pattern means factory STI wheels WILL NOT fit, since the STI uses a 5x114 bolt pattern.

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Here is what Dan said in post #1 ...
And here's what I said.....

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Any 05+ sti wheel will easily fit the 2011+ wrx with 15-25mm conversion spacers. No fender mods.
The 5x114.3 bolt pattern is NOTHING new, and has been plastered all over the forums since 2005....so your post was nothing new to us.

You can get 5x100 to 5x114.3 spacers to run sti wheels, and since the '11+ wrx has more room in the fenders, there are a lot more options in terms of wheel sizing.

Not to mention 2004 sti bbs are 5x100...
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And here's what I said.....

The 5x114.3 bolt pattern is NOTHING new, and has been plastered all over the forums since 2005....so your post was nothing new to us.

You can get 5x100 to 5x114.3 spacers to run sti wheels, and since the '11+ wrx has more room in the fenders, there are a lot more options in terms of wheel sizing.

Not to mention 2004 sti bbs are 5x100...
That's what's up.
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Quick probably retarded question. I just bought some WORkEMOTION CR KAI KIWAMI off of a reputable seller an eBay. However after re-reading the description it says 18x8.5 5-100 ET38 FRONT and 18.9.5 ET38 REAR. Will that work ? With the AWD symmetrical system ? I don't know but any info would be much appreciated
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Quick probably retarded question. I just bought some WORkEMOTION CR KAI KIWAMI off of a reputable seller an eBay. However after re-reading the description it says 18x8.5 5-100 ET38 FRONT and 18.9.5 ET38 REAR. Will that work ? With the AWD symmetrical system ? I don't know but any info would be much appreciated
Have you tried searching? This has been covered since 2002.
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Have you tried searching? This has been covered since 2002.
So then NO.
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sti-mike: You are on a thread about fitment on 2011+ WRX. They don't have 5x100 wheel lug size, do they? Certainly STi's don't. They are 5 X 114mm.
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sti-mike: You are on a thread about fitment on 2011+ WRX. They don't have 5x100 wheel lug size, do they? Certainly STi's don't. They are 5 X 114mm.
What?
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