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Old 03-27-2011, 02:38 PM   #1
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Lap Battle is Utah's local time attack series. I am guessing my car doesn't have a whole lot more than maybe 180hp? I think I was the slowest car there if you were to put us all in a straight line. Because I had BFG R1's I got classed with the Race FWD cars rather than the street class. I know the cars that took 1st and 2nd were running 110 while I ran a measly 91

First Place was a Turbo'd Integra (though I don't know a lot more about it)
Second Place was a 300+ hp GTI
Third Place was my MCS.

My mods are very basic, and honestly after this event, I think it is time to get a bit more power. I wanted to dump all of my money into suspension first as I think you can make up time fast in corners and braking, but honestly our track has so many wide open spots, that I think I need to do something.

I did hold off a pretty heavily tuned GTI that finally got black flagged just before you see me let off and let him by.

Anyway, the video is rather long, but if you want to watch some and give me some pointers, I would appreciate it! Thanks!

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Old 03-27-2011, 02:44 PM   #2
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Oh and by pointers, I don't mean "Get a Subaru," or "Get a faster car" haha. I want to make this one competitive and as I have money I will build it.
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Old 03-27-2011, 03:25 PM   #3
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One pic too!

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Old 03-27-2011, 03:58 PM   #4
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Hey, hope you had a good time. Car looks good.
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Old 03-27-2011, 06:55 PM   #5
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Looks like alot of fun. I'm not sure what the class restrictions allow but a list of your current mods would help. Take out everything you can afford to unless class disallows it.

You will become more consistent over time, seat time will help immensley. One thing i can say because the rest you can learn over time but one that can help out immediately is some of those lower speed corners you should be able to take 1 gear higher. It'll help eliminate you having to fight the wheel so much in mid to late corner. Also since you don't have to immediately shift as soon as you exit the corner, you'll gain some speed on the straights.
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Old 03-27-2011, 06:56 PM   #6
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You really need to work on your driving lines, they are pretty far off from where they should be. I'd suggest trying to hook up with a more experienced racer or an instructor in the area to teach you how to properly use all the racetrack. For example, your exits on nearly all the corners need to be maximized, you can especially see this from T1-T5. In a momentum low-hp type car that you have, the more speed you can carry the faster you are going to be, this means using all of the track.
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Old 03-27-2011, 07:57 PM   #7
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^I strayed away from saying it because in most cases it can be solved with more seat time. Instructors can give good pointers and solutions for the obvious but ultimately its up the the driver and his feel for the car and natural driving instincts......
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Old 03-27-2011, 08:04 PM   #8
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I appreciate those comments. I am used to a different type of vehicle and with more power getting away with bad mistakes/ style. This is all very helpful!
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Got a list of mods?

Btw I was on that track in 2007 redline time attack. I was able to ride shotgun in the ae86 drift car and a gt2 class lemans porsche. It would be awesome for me to be able to ride on that supermoto track as well. Though at the time i got to settle for some pretty decent karting.
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Old 03-28-2011, 08:28 AM   #10
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Forget about more power for now. There is a ton of time left in that car, you just need to work on improving yourself as a driver. Do some driving schools with good instruction, don't focus on lap times or modding the car for the time being. Once you are at the point where you are getting everything you can out of the car, then worry about upgrading it.
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Old 03-28-2011, 03:49 PM   #11
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Current Mods are:
ALTA 15% Supercharger Pulley
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Invidia CBE (Worth about 0 hp)

Other than that I am completely stock. I am guessing I am between 185-195hp maybe if the stars are aligned correctly.


Also, a technique question. How much (If any) does a race line change based on the power and drive type of the vehicle?

Can a FWD 200hp car use the same lines as a 400hp AWD car and vice versa? I know this is a novice question, but I am a novice so it is fitting.
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Old 03-28-2011, 04:22 PM   #12
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Also, a technique question. How much (If any) does a race line change based on the power and drive type of the vehicle?

Can a FWD 200hp car use the same lines as a 400hp AWD car and vice versa? I know this is a novice question, but I am a novice so it is fitting.
Sometimes, but nothing you should be considering at this point.

For example, a heavier, AWD car with big power may want to maximize his straights, perhaps resulting in a bit later apex (and thus a bit later braking and a bit alter turn-in).

You should be running very traditional lines in your car.
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Old 03-28-2011, 04:34 PM   #13
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That's what I was wondering.

I realize that more than anything I will grow by driving more, but in the mean time I have started doing book work and studying the lines other cars use etc. I wanted to make sure I was on the right track

Thanks!
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Old 03-28-2011, 04:41 PM   #14
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Current Mods are:
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ALTA Cold Air Intake
Stoptech Steel Braided Brake Lines
Hawk HP+ Pads
Invidia CBE (Worth about 0 hp)

Other than that I am completely stock. I am guessing I am between 185-195hp maybe if the stars are aligned correctly.
The Mini is hard to make big power on without spending a LOT of money. Adding a tune, injectors, GP intercooler, a few things here and there will get you a small (in the subaru world) chunk without spending a compeletly outrageous amount of cash, but your times would benefit more from additional seat time. I would skip the power stuff and do as many track days as possible. Maybe add some camber plates and rear control arms as the stock alignment is awful and there is no camber adjustability.

EDIT: and maybe run a tire that keeps you in a "street" class?

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Old 03-28-2011, 06:07 PM   #15
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^I guess the only reason I want to stay in Race Class is that there are series points. So I may as well lose in the race class and get the same experience I would losing in the street class
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Old 03-28-2011, 06:13 PM   #16
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I wouldnt have ran R1s with stock suspension..So either you should get some good coilovers, or step down to street tires, maybe R compound. More power will make this car understeer more, and you didnt look like you had that subject covered well..Maybe that was why you were late to get back on throttle ?

Were you were running stock allignment ? what was your camber ?
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Old 03-28-2011, 10:13 PM   #18
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Stock suspension, stock alignment
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Old 03-29-2011, 12:15 AM   #19
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A little toe in in the rear will help stabilize your braking lines and cornering. It'll make you feel alot braver diving into those corners and help carry your speed through it but ultimately it's up to you. Start out small in your adjustments..... that mini is capable of alot with stock suspension, though to get the desired toe in you will need to pick up some aftermarket parts. Refine your driving before you go big on suspension and a better lsd set up.

Just keep tracking the car and get seat time sir. Refine your smoothness on power delivery and transitional cornering. Over time you'll find out what you need/want.....

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Old 03-29-2011, 12:05 PM   #20
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You could be a lot faster with a good suspension. But I wouldn't start with slicks, you will create bad habids. I'm not sure what minis like, but toyo RA1 or hankook RS3 might be a good choice for 140 treadwear range..

Have an instructor drive your car and give you feedback..you will also have a better understanding of that fast track.

good luck, have fun out there
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