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Old 10-18-2013, 11:20 AM   #201
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What do you mean "build the flares around" the wheels? If the donor shows up with 18x11.5 et20 with 315's, are we all going to get crazy huge flares as a result?
Our donor car guy is running similar setups as we are all looking for. 18x10-10.5 and a 285/295 type tire. Mimicking what most sedan guys are using. Plus I highly doubt Karlton is going to make some giant bat wing flares. We all asked for similar to sedan width. So don't worry.


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I'd bet it's bull**** started by either the A) anti-hella-fush crowd or B) the "STI is far superior to your lowly WRX and here's why..." crowd.
I think k-dogg (in this thread) said that one of his wheel bearing died running a fairly wide setup. You'll have to look in this thread. I can't remember the exact details. I'm not worried about it. If I get 1-2 bearing that start to go out once a year or so, that's no big deal if I get 295's as a trade.
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Old 10-18-2013, 01:21 PM   #202
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The flares will be very similar to the width of the sedan flares. They will be built around a 18x10.5 +22 with a 285 Is that ok for everyone? I mean you won't be able to go 11-11.5 like us sedan guys, but it should be plenty of wheel/tire for the wagons Plus there are more 10.5 +22 coming out in 5x100 due to the frs/brz, so thank them hahah
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Old 10-18-2013, 01:45 PM   #203
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The flares will be very similar to the width of the sedan flares. They will be built around a 18x10.5 +22 with a 285 Is that ok for everyone? I mean you won't be able to go 11-11.5 like us sedan guys, but it should be plenty of wheel/tire for the wagons Plus there are more 10.5 +22 coming out in 5x100 due to the frs/brz, so thank them hahah
That's works perfectly for me. And it's pretty much what I sent to everyone for the final approvals.
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Old 10-18-2013, 01:54 PM   #204
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Sounds good.
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Old 10-18-2013, 02:39 PM   #205
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OK. Based on my calculations, this make the wheel poke out 58mm further than my current setup with OEM 05-07 BBS. And they will be 6mm closer to the strut as well.
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Old 10-18-2013, 02:43 PM   #206
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I use this calculator a bit. Its great for comparing 2 setups. It gives you alot of info on clearance and tire size.

http://www.rimsntires.com/specs.jsp
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Old 10-18-2013, 02:46 PM   #207
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I think k-dogg (in this thread) said that one of his wheel bearing died running a fairly wide setup. You'll have to look in this thread. I can't remember the exact details. I'm not worried about it. If I get 1-2 bearing that start to go out once a year or so, that's no big deal if I get 295's as a trade.
Yup I have had to replace 1 front wheel bearing in 100k with about 6 years of auto-x too. Granted I wasn't on lower offset wheels, but this will be a bit of a test anyway to see if that actually changes anything.

Like I mentioned though I am upgrading to different knuckles so I won't have to worry about that in the front at least.

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The flares will be very similar to the width of the sedan flares. They will be built around a 18x10.5 +22 with a 285 Is that ok for everyone? I mean you won't be able to go 11-11.5 like us sedan guys, but it should be plenty of wheel/tire for the wagons Plus there are more 10.5 +22 coming out in 5x100 due to the frs/brz, so thank them hahah
Exactly. It was pretty much a consensus from everyone in the 04/05 group and they were good with the setup I was planning on running noted above. Some people may try to fit wider or not, but we all thought this was a good size to build them at. Going to be some trial and error for people trying different setups just like how the sedan guys are doing it now.
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Old 10-18-2013, 03:00 PM   #208
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Any idea how well the fronts would fit on an 05 saabaru? The rears I think look close enough but the fronts I think might be off
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Old 10-18-2013, 03:06 PM   #209
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How much will the fender flare cover the planned tire?
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Old 10-18-2013, 04:13 PM   #210
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Im gonna be running some mach v awesomes 17x9, +42 offset on 275s will the flares be too big?
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Old 10-18-2013, 04:57 PM   #211
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How much will the fender flare cover the planned tire?
It will be pretty flush. This guy is running a 245/45/17 17x9 +42
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1668222

So that looks like a max fitment under stock wagon fenders. If I compare that size to what the donor is running (18x10.5 285/30/18) with this tool http://www.rimsntires.com/specs.jsp it shows that the donors car will poke out the fender 40mm more. Add 10mm push out for the sti control arms hes running also and your looking at 50mm poke out (1.9685 inches). If the flares are 2 inches wide, sounds pretty spot on.
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Old 10-18-2013, 05:05 PM   #212
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Im gonna be running some mach v awesomes 17x9, +42 offset on 275s will the flares be too big?
You will have about a 1 inch space from the tire to the flare if your on a wider track control arm. 1.37 inch if your on wagon arms.
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Old 10-18-2013, 05:19 PM   #213
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You will have about a 1 inch space from the tire to the flare if your on a wider track control arm. 1.37 inch if your on wagon arms.

So I take it that that wont look right? I saw some pictures of guys running 275s on the karlton fender flare gallery forum n it looked okay, so do I need to go with wider control arms? Any suggestions?
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Old 10-18-2013, 05:39 PM   #214
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If you saw a sedan with Karltons running that size, then that would be a pretty close representation as long as they didnt have spacers on it. Even though sedan arms stick out 10mm more then wagon arms, their fenders also stick out 10mm more. So the end result would have the wheel falling the same distance from the fender edge, if that makes since. sedan (fender and wheel both push out 10mm) vs wagon (fender and wheel pushed in 10mm). Either way the relation of the wheel to the fender stays the same.

You could use wheel spacers to push it more out if you wanted, but using big spacers are debated alot. You could add sti or sedan control arms, but you would also need sedan axles (in the rear, front is debatable) / sedan swaybars/ sedan endlinks/ & lateral links in the rear to push the rear track so it matches the front.

Or just get a different fitting wheel
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Old 10-18-2013, 08:14 PM   #215
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You guys are going to laugh, but I just don't want to have to run too much tire. The cars lose some of their fun and "flickability/tossability" with mega wide rubber on them. Plus the wheels and tires get pretty heavy.
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Old 10-18-2013, 08:28 PM   #216
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Whose paypal do I need to send money to? I want Karlton flares on my 2004 more than anything right now.

Just bought 18x9.5 + 27 and 275/35/18 tires. NEED HELP FITTING.
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Old 10-18-2013, 08:39 PM   #217
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Whose paypal do I need to send money to? I want Karlton flares on my 2004 more than anything right now. Just bought 18x9.5 + 27 and 275/35/18 tires. NEED HELP FITTING.
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Old 10-20-2013, 02:07 AM   #218
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im still down for the 02/03.
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Old 10-20-2013, 02:15 AM   #219
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Whose paypal do I need to send money to? I want Karlton flares on my 2004 more than anything right now. Just bought 18x9.5 + 27 and 275/35/18 tires. NEED HELP FITTING.
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That's why you research before you buy.
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Old 10-20-2013, 09:36 AM   #220
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I'm so in!! Too bad my saabaru has a different rear bumper. I'll probably have to mix and match the 05+ sedan rear flares and make the 04/05 fronts fit. That's better than making the sedan fronts fit like I was going to. I have a full STi 6spd swap so I too am limited by the wider rear track. This is pre-6 speed, but you can see the lower part of the bumper.

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If you saw a sedan with Karltons running that size, then that would be a pretty close representation as long as they didnt have spacers on it. Even though sedan arms stick out 10mm more then wagon arms, their fenders also stick out 10mm more. So the end result would have the wheel falling the same distance from the fender edge, if that makes since. sedan (fender and wheel both push out 10mm) vs wagon (fender and wheel pushed in 10mm). Either way the relation of the wheel to the fender stays the same.

You could use wheel spacers to push it more out if you wanted, but using big spacers are debated alot. You could add sti or sedan control arms, but you would also need sedan axles (in the rear, front is debatable) / sedan swaybars/ sedan endlinks/ & lateral links in the rear to push the rear track so it matches the front.

Or just get a different fitting wheel


Thanks For the info man I already have alot of sti suspension parts so thats probaly the route ill go, how hard is it to swap out the axels? DIY er PRO job?
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Old 10-22-2013, 04:17 PM   #222
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Old 10-22-2013, 10:11 PM   #223
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I'm really interested I just don't have the funds for a while to even put down:/ please make these! Haha I'm in an 05 wagon
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Old 10-22-2013, 11:13 PM   #224
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I'm sure they will be more made after the first 6 are made. The first 6 should get numbered dash plaques like 1 of 6, 2 of 6... Haha
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Old 10-23-2013, 12:08 AM   #225
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When's eta of finished project?
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