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Old 03-31-2011, 01:46 AM   #1
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Hi Everyone,

I am in the process of developing a new motorsport organization that will make the sport of rally racing more accessible and affordable to Southern Californians. I am currently working on the rules & regulations, insurance, event locations, and calculating the event costs. I wanted to find out if there are any interested bodies within this forum and to hear their comments on the subject. Thank you.
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Old 03-31-2011, 01:10 PM   #2
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Just out of curiosity, what's wrong with the organizations we have now that made you want to make your own?
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Old 03-31-2011, 01:32 PM   #3
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you might want to talk to the forest service before you get too far along. They're the reason we don't have Rim of the World or Treeline Rally any more.
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Old 03-31-2011, 01:53 PM   #4
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I'm very happy with the CRS.
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Old 04-01-2011, 01:18 AM   #5
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Just out of curiosity, what's wrong with the organizations we have now that made you want to make your own?
The options are a bit limited in Southern California. My goal is to provide more options and more race time for enthusiasts in the area without breaking the bank.
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Old 04-01-2011, 02:01 AM   #6
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Old 04-01-2011, 08:28 AM   #7
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The options are a bit limited in Southern California. My goal is to provide more options and more race time for enthusiasts in the area without breaking the bank.
Not to be a buzz kill, but CRS is a model of grassroots success in the US rally scene. Other regions wish they had CRS.

Unless you have few hundred miles private roads, major sponsorship, and full cooperation with Rally America your efforts will like a train with no tracks. People keep forgetting why the SCCA dropped rally.

Also, why are you posting this on NASIOC and not Special Stage or Rally Anarchy?

Which leads me to my next question: how many stage rally events in the US have you competed in?
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Old 04-01-2011, 11:59 AM   #8
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Not to be a buzz kill, but CRS is a model of grassroots success in the US rally scene. Other regions wish they had CRS.

Unless you have few hundred miles private roads, major sponsorship, and full cooperation with Rally America your efforts will like a train with no tracks. People keep forgetting why the SCCA dropped rally.

Also, why are you posting this on NASIOC and not Special Stage or Rally Anarchy?

Which leads me to my next question: how many stage rally events in the US have you competed in?
he speaks the truth.

I had more fun running service at CRS events than any others.


well that and the heavy drinking post event.
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Old 04-02-2011, 01:01 AM   #9
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I appreciate all the helpful feedback. I guess there is only one way to really find out how successful the organization will be. I will let you all know how it turns out.

It is interesting how negative some people are towards new organizations.

Just can't teach an old dog new tricks...
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Old 04-02-2011, 04:03 AM   #10
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It is interesting how negative some people are towards new organizations.

Just can't teach an old dog new tricks...
Its also interesting that people are asking some very pertinent and relevant questions, and you take that as 'negative feedback'?

Don't be defensive, we just want to know who you are, and what you're experiences are, and especially these 'new tricks' that you're bringing to the table. The latest 'new trick' has been the new "Global" RallyCross event that just happened at Irwindale. I've never seen so many rally competitors at one event in one place. Did you get a chance to check it out?

In all seriousness and in the spirit of helping you out, I'd also like to know the answers to REDrum's questions.

And like he said, NASIOC probably isn't your best forum for this....SpecialStage.com for sure, EVERY SoCal rally competitor reads that forum (not everyone participates). If you want to talk to your market, go there.

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Old 04-02-2011, 08:37 AM   #11
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I appreciate all the helpful feedback. I guess there is only one way to really find out how successful the organization will be. I will let you all know how it turns out.
ROTFLMA....

BTW, there is huge difference between being negative: "it'll never work you punk-ass flat-rimmer"

and, sharing reality: "there is already a great grassroots rally organization in SoCal that fills the need of the stage rally community, so unless you can offer something very new, needed, and w/in the guidance of a national governing body, your likelihood of success is very slim.

BTW, for example, Rally America is privately funded. The founder shelled out hundreds of thousands of dollars to get it going and it looses money every year. If you have few great ideas up your sleeve, no doubt Doug would like to talk and perhaps collaborate to you. He may even fly you out to MN on his private jet with Lil' Wayne on board.

That is unless your "rally" plans are more along the lines of the Robin Hood Rally

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Old 04-02-2011, 01:23 PM   #12
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Some people are negative due to the fact getting roads for rallys, or an open area for a rallycross in SoCal is very fragile. Someone who will not talk about his motorsport background only needs to say one wrong word to the people in charge of the roads to ruin what few areas are open to the sport now for everybody.
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Old 04-02-2011, 02:49 PM   #13
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It is interesting how negative some people are towards new organizations.

Just can't teach an old dog new tricks...
Have you tried getting liability insurance yet? Did you explain to the "old dogs" running the insurance companies how negative they were being? Seriously though, you're comments show an overall lack of experience dealing with people who question you, and you're going to have to negotiate with an awful lot of people who don't see this as a great new thing.
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Old 04-03-2011, 02:14 AM   #14
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If you F Up things for the people in Southern California, you better enroll in the Witness Protection Program ASAP.
I'm not kidding.
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Old 04-03-2011, 08:05 AM   #15
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You know I've seen this a couple of time over the many years I've been involved in rallying. Someone comes along and either doesn't realize there is already a well oiled rally community working to bring rallying to the area, or they aren't happy with how things are being run (not enough events, too many rules) so they decide to start their own "organization".

There are three major problems that all rally organization face:

One is finding roads and getting permission to use them. There may not be a lot of rally events in your area because there simply aren't any suitable roads you can get permission to use.

Another problem is volunteers - you need a LOT of volunteers to run a rally and many clubs simply don't have enough people. Around here even the largest and oldest rally club has to rely on people from neighbouring clubs in order put on events, so even if you DO manage to create a new organization you're going to need to have a very good relationship with other clubs in your region.

The third problem is insurance - not just any insurance company will insure your events (well at least not for a realistic rate). In order to afford insurance rally clubs need to be part of a larger umbrella organization that can get group insurance that covers many rallies all at once. I'm not sure how it works in the USA, but in Canada our local rally club is a member of the RallySport Ontario, which is part of the Canadian Association of Rally Sport, which gets it's insurance through the FIA. In order to qualify for this insurance our local events have to meet the regulations and safety standards set out by RSO, CARS and the FIA.

So when people say "Why are you trying to create a totally new system?" what they are really saying is you should really do a lot more research into the sport because your chances of success are minuscule and you'll probably be a lot happier working within the existing framework. If, however, you can pull it off, legally, and without damaging the fragile reputation of rallying, then more power to you.

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Old 04-03-2011, 03:32 PM   #16
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What SoCal (and NorCal and Central Cal, and just about any other state that has a few rally competitors) REALLY needs is some rich dude to come along and buy up a plot of land that already has about 20+ miles of interconnecting roads, including grading/heavy equipment, with a nice big shop fully loaded with lifts, welders, tube benders, etc and they can give us full time access for test 'n tune days and stage rallies/rally sprints/rally cross events at no cost to the competitors/organizers.


renegade2143, IF that's YOU....then we all apologize and I'll join whatever organization you start, sign whatever disclaimer/waiver you want me to, hell, I'll even give you my first born.


oh wait.....are you talking about that new 'series' or whatever that's kind of like 'Lemons' but for rally? I forget the name, but the first one is going to be at High Desert Trails, right?
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Old 04-03-2011, 09:46 PM   #17
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LeMons rally is such a bad idea...
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Old 06-01-2011, 02:02 PM   #18
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Hey guys, I think you might be thinking about my new org, Dirt Cheap Rally. The guy posting here is NOT from Dirt Cheap I hear all the concerns you guys are putting up here, and totally respect them. My answer has been to use closed courses (like a road course), making the racing something between RallyX and Stage Rally. I'm not trying to re-do the awesome efforts of the existing rally scene, just offer something more affordable and accessible.

We've got two events scheduled for 2011 - one in Redmond, OR and one at Reno-Ferneley Raceway. Working with a number of other west coast locations to try and get the 2011 schedule up to four, and spread into So. Cal and PNW.

If you guys are interested, check out the website (dirtcheaprally.com) and give me your feedback. Once I get my obligatory three posts I'll put up a new thread introducing the series 'officially' to NASIOC.
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I am in the process of developing a new motorsport organization that will make the sport of rally racing more accessible and affordable to Southern Californians. I am currently working on the rules & regulations, insurance, event locations, and calculating the event costs. I wanted to find out if there are any interested bodies within this forum and to hear their comments on the subject. Thank you.
i think your energy my be better spent working with the CRS people organizing an event.
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