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Old 04-03-2011, 04:27 PM   #1
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Default So, rallying the new STi sedan..good idea?

I've been thinking - the rationale behind Subaru moving to the hatch was to get rid of the rear overhang that the sedans suffer from in comparison to the Ford Focus and Citroen C4 hatchbacks, right? (correct me if I'm wrong)

so now they've gone back to the sedan (well you actually have a choice) but i'm wondering, would it make sense to choose the hatch over the sedan using this line of reasoning? I would like to think the sedan has some aerodynamic advantages (again, correct me if I'm wrong) over the hatch.

So what you y'all think? any of you have any experience with them yet, or know anyone who does?
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Old 04-03-2011, 06:07 PM   #2
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I read that Subaru was sticking with the sedans for the rally team because of the overhangs as you mentioned, but the SRRT (road race team) was going with the sedans for the better aero. I forget where I read that but it might have been in Subaru's online magazine.
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Old 04-03-2011, 06:07 PM   #3
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I'd go for the hatch, not because of any performance gains but simply because you have more room to work - easier access to fuel systems, more room for spare tires/helmet box, and more room for the cage.
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Old 04-03-2011, 06:49 PM   #4
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I wouldn't consider an 08+ for rally unless you're willing to make extensive frame modifications to fit larger rear shocks.
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Old 04-03-2011, 08:38 PM   #5
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Old 04-03-2011, 10:59 PM   #6
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The sedan probably has the aero edge, yes. It's probably a less compromised format, although the hatch would of course give you a little extra cargo room.

The new STIs are very competent on dirt. They rotate much better than the older cars, and all you really need to do is upgrade the rear sway to take out understeer. The car is tossable and fast if you can drive it well.

I don't think the overhangs were ever a problem. Frankly they just complained about overall weight. Compared to something like the Focus or Fiesta, the Impreza chassis is a big car. The drivers were whining a bit about the high inertia resistance compared to these other cars. Really, the next seriously competitive chassis Subaru will use if the FT-86 chassis. It's the first car small enough to compete seriously with the smaller cars from the other manufacturers. This is assuming Subaru actually brings this chassis into the WRC, and that's something we will have to wait and see. If it happens, it will be a serious car.
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Old 04-04-2011, 12:20 AM   #7
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I wouldn't consider an 08+ for rally unless you're willing to make extensive frame modifications to fit larger rear shocks.
first i'm hearing about this one
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Old 04-04-2011, 07:43 AM   #8
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Oh and the other reason for road racing the sedan for Subaru, like all professional racing/factory sponsored racing, is ADVERTISING. The sedan is new for 2011 so hence the sedan as the road race car.

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Old 04-04-2011, 02:08 PM   #9
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The sedan probably has the aero edge, yes. It's probably a less compromised format, although the hatch would of course give you a little extra cargo room.

The new STIs are very competent on dirt. They rotate much better than the older cars, and all you really need to do is upgrade the rear sway to take out understeer. The car is tossable and fast if you can drive it well.

I don't think the overhangs were ever a problem. Frankly they just complained about overall weight. Compared to something like the Focus or Fiesta, the Impreza chassis is a big car. The drivers were whining a bit about the high inertia resistance compared to these other cars. Really, the next seriously competitive chassis Subaru will use if the FT-86 chassis. It's the first car small enough to compete seriously with the smaller cars from the other manufacturers. This is assuming Subaru actually brings this chassis into the WRC, and that's something we will have to wait and see. If it happens, it will be a serious car.
My head hurts after reading this.
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Old 04-04-2011, 02:12 PM   #10
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why would anyone want to rally a car that wasn't already well developed by somebody else? the time, tears, $$$ and heartbreak involved of engineering, building, breaking, reengineering rebuilding x 47 until the car actually works pretty well...

well, you could have run a whole bunch of rallies and had a whole bunch more fun in something that somebody else had already done all that for ya.

even Subaru itself struggled with the new gen hatches to sort the rear suspension and make it last longer than a stage or 3 before one or both rear wheels were pointing in different directions (if they din't fall off altogether)

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Old 04-04-2011, 02:14 PM   #11
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why would anyone want to rally a car that wasn't already well developed by somebody else? the time, tears, $$$ and heartbreak involved of engineering, building, breaking, reengineering rebuilding x 47 until the car actually works pretty well...

well, you could have run a whole bunch of rallies and had a whole bunch more fun in something that somebody else had already done all that for ya.
Truth. Believe me - the novelty of a car wears off as soon as you hit the stage and it's slow, breaks constantly, and is expensive to repair.
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Old 04-04-2011, 10:01 PM   #12
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There is a reason SOA is paying out large contingency for GE running in SP class. There are many late model platforms I'd build/run long before the GE: Evo 9/10, GD, GC, prius...
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Old 04-06-2011, 09:59 AM   #15
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As a privateer, I'd build in this order:
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