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Old 04-05-2011, 01:45 AM   #1
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As of April 1st Salt Lake County has gotten rid of all their old emissions analyzers for something newer and more up to date. Before with the old system things like tgv deletes and o2 sensors were not part of the inspection, but now with the new system there is a visual inspection for OBD devices, which includes any and all systems which effect emissions. Mostly what I am worried about is reflashed ECUs. Has anyone had to have an emissions test this month yet with a reflashed ecu? Obviously there are few emissions techs who are going to notice something like a tgv delete, but I am wondering if the new system will be able to detect forced readiness and deleted cels. Throwing on the stock downpipe is easy enough, but putting back in TGV housings isn't as much fun!
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Old 04-05-2011, 02:02 AM   #2
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this isn't california, reflashed ecu's arn't illegal here yet are they? (nto that i care as i'm registered in fl, no emissions testing whatsoever (thank you old people for keeping it that way))
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Old 04-05-2011, 02:09 AM   #3
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With the old system reflashed ecus were not a problem, but those things were dinosaurs. They were run on a friggin dial-up connection. I am assuming they updated the system to implement a more strigent emissions standard. Otherwise why spend the money on a new system?
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Old 04-05-2011, 08:17 AM   #4
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From what I've seen the biggest difference is for pre-obd2 cars. No longer are older cars required to run on the dyno. The new system can verify their output from idle alone.
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Old 04-05-2011, 09:40 AM   #5
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Ha, I don't even know what TVG deletes look like and I've been on here for 5 years. I highly doubt the monkeys at the shop will.
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Old 04-05-2011, 01:17 PM   #6
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Old 04-05-2011, 08:51 PM   #7
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Old 04-05-2011, 09:26 PM   #8
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From what I've seen the biggest difference is for pre-obd2 cars. No longer are older cars required to run on the dyno. The new system can verify their output from idle alone.
True they have gotten rid of asm testing for older vehicles, and now do only a two speed idle test which no longer tests for nox. I'm still interested to see the changes on newer vehicles. So far it looks like the addition of a visual OBD check is the only change, at least I am hoping so. I have a couple months until I'm due so I'm a bit anxious to hear from somebody who has gone through with a reflashed ecu, although it is probably nothing to worry about.
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Old 04-05-2011, 11:42 PM   #9
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Well, there is the "I done got tampered with" thread here in the rmic where someone was failed on a recent test.
I would also like to hear more about other experiences one way or the other from those with mods and reflashed ecus.
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Old 04-06-2011, 12:25 AM   #10
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They are failing people for not having a cat/ not having the proper amount of cats, if you only have 1 you will fail. There is 2 in the exhaust system. 3 on the other turbo models but I dont think they will notice/ pay attention the the one in the up pipe.
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Old 04-06-2011, 01:19 AM   #11
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Booo! This sucks.
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Old 04-06-2011, 02:09 AM   #12
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I doubt it will be a huge thing with the number of cats so long as you have at least one and aren't throwing a CEL. If not.....buy a cheap-ass parcel of land in a county where they don't do emissions testing, like Box Elder, and have the address on it as your registered one. There's always a way around things.
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Old 04-06-2011, 02:12 AM   #13
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I doubt it will be a huge thing with the number of cats so long as you have at least one and aren't throwing a CEL. If not.....buy a cheap-ass parcel of land in a county where they don't do emissions testing, like Box Elder, and have the address on it as your registered one. There's always a way around things.
It is a big thing, at least 2 people a week are coming into my work to get stock downpipes installed. They dont fail, they get a tampered on their paper work.
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Old 04-06-2011, 02:15 AM   #14
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It is a big thing, at least 2 people a week are coming into my work to get stock downpipes installed. They dont fail, they get a tampered on their paper work.
Is it only Salt Lake County at this point or are Utah, Davis, Weber and others getting onboard?
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Old 04-06-2011, 02:28 AM   #15
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So would something like the Turbo XS Turbo Back w/a high flow cat pass? This really blows.
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Old 04-06-2011, 06:56 AM   #16
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Brody, I'm not saying that it doesn't suck, it just isn't that big of a deal. What about the cars that come with a catless uppipe, like the newer GD WRXs or the STi? Are they gonna be that anal about which year it was and where the cats are? Half the places that do inspections like that couldn't tell you what the difference is between my car and an STi if I had a wing on it still.

As for locations, Box Elder and Cache counties (for example) don't do emissions testing, so it should be fine if you live there. Thus far, I think it is just Salt Lake, and maybe others might join (like Davis, Weber, and Utah). But getting the stock DP put back on only gives you 1 cat...and that's not news. It's been that way for a while. People can block the codes, but if they put you on a lift and see that you don't have any cats, that's different.

There are also people who will weld the casing of a cat around their exhaust so it has the appearance of one, and I'm sure that they will be able to get away with it. Like I said, where there is a will, there is a way. People will find ways around it. If all else fails, swap it over to stock for a day or two, then go back.
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Old 04-06-2011, 10:11 AM   #17
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So would something like the Turbo XS Turbo Back w/a high flow cat pass? This really blows.
Not if there is only 1 cat. The Cobb/ Invidia catted downpipes do not pass. Im not even sure if 2 aftermarket cats will pass. Since the exhaust system has still been "tampered" with.
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Brody, I'm not saying that it doesn't suck, it just isn't that big of a deal. What about the cars that come with a catless uppipe, like the newer GD WRXs or the STi? Are they gonna be that anal about which year it was and where the cats are? Half the places that do inspections like that couldn't tell you what the difference is between my car and an STi if I had a wing on it still.

As for locations, Box Elder and Cache counties (for example) don't do emissions testing, so it should be fine if you live there. Thus far, I think it is just Salt Lake, and maybe others might join (like Davis, Weber, and Utah). But getting the stock DP put back on only gives you 1 cat...and that's not news. It's been that way for a while. People can block the codes, but if they put you on a lift and see that you don't have any cats, that's different.

There are also people who will weld the casing of a cat around their exhaust so it has the appearance of one, and I'm sure that they will be able to get away with it. Like I said, where there is a will, there is a way. People will find ways around it. If all else fails, swap it over to stock for a day or two, then go back.
Thats what I said about the up pipe in the above post I made. I highly doubt they would catch something like that. But dont be surprised when they punch in the Y,M,M and Vin of the car that it tells them what is supposed to be there.
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Old 04-06-2011, 10:16 AM   #18
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Wasn't there a federal law pass that states if your cats are stolen you are not required to replace them with oem ones.
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All you have to do is take your car to the ****tiest lookin' inspection station and they'll pass you. I heard of ones in Ogden that don't even pop the hood and will pass you.
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I am not sure about that, But it would make sense. OEM is expensive, for instance the OEM down pipe (top section) is about $800-$1000 from the dealer brand new.
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Old 04-06-2011, 10:29 AM   #21
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I'm assuming the "tampered" is noted only from a visual inspection? Since I don't see how the analyzer can detect anything from the ECU.
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Old 04-06-2011, 10:34 AM   #22
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Yes, But the ecu can still get a check engine light for only having 1 cat. Unless it is flashed.
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Old 04-06-2011, 10:37 AM   #23
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Yes, But the ecu can still get a check engine light for only having 1 cat. Unless it is flashed.
right, I'm assuming the car is tuned properly.
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Old 04-06-2011, 11:00 AM   #24
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a tampered exhaust is the stupidest thing ever. ANY after market exhaust will fall into that group. Even something from a local muffler shop. I never had a cat in my uppipe. only 1 cat in the dp so how does that work?
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All turbo models have 2 cats in the down pipe from factory.
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