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Old 04-12-2011, 07:03 AM   #1
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Default 2011 Formula 1 - Round 3: Shanghai International Circuit, China

After an exciting and confusing race at Malaysia we have the circuit with the longest straight in the season. The best of all it is a back to back action packed weekends.

Teams had to pack everything on Sunday after the race and have it delivered by Tuesday at the Shanghai circuit; to be unpacked and ready for action for Wednesday. That is a lot of pressure for everyone.

McLaren looking for an upgrade, Red Bull with KERS issues, Ferrari with their unknown speed and the Renault looking for sponsors in WRC.





CHINESE GRAND PRIX
Venue: Shanghai International Circuit
Date: Sunday 17 April, 0800 BST
Lap length: 3.387 miles
Race laps: 56
2010 winner: Jenson Button (McLaren)
First grand prix: 2004
Fascinating fact: The Chinese Grand Prix joined the F1 calendar in 2004 and has been won by a different driver each year since.



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Old 04-12-2011, 07:56 AM   #2
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I predict Hamilton or Button is going to win, without KERS, Red Bull doesn't stand much of a chance...although they might just run without any downforce too to make up for it.
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RBR will be coming with an upgrade (most likely a front wing though), the story on KERS with them is interesting though
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Old 04-12-2011, 08:25 AM   #4
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Could it be that RBR is just playing saying that their KERS is not working. Just as McLaren did during winter tests with their cars were not working well.

It would be interesting to see if Mercedes or even Renault finish in the podium
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Old 04-12-2011, 09:05 AM   #5
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I've been rooting for Button to win this year. He hasn't disappointment...yet.

Kobiyashi is doing surpringly well (at least better than last year so far) too.
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Old 04-12-2011, 09:10 AM   #6
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KERS really really only seems to help to block. A good driver can drive around it. Assuming he isn't carrying the dead weight of the batteries and motor. Placing the car in the right spot on turn exit or entry helps to negate the usefulness of the KERS by forcing the passing car the long way around, or causing them to stutter on putting down the power. 80hp just doesn't seem to make a difference.

Now if you are defending on the straight from someone with DRS on, then there might be a usefulness, but you nee dot be close enough for that to happen. and if you are just plain faster, then it doesn't matter.
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Old 04-12-2011, 09:19 AM   #7
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^although I agree with you that it seems like it's mainly used for blocking, it would still be interesting to see if they could use the KERS in everyday cars somewhere in the future. That's why I am not so upset that they brough the KERS back as some others were.
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KERS really really only seems to help to block. A good driver can drive around it. Assuming he isn't carrying the dead weight of the batteries and motor. Placing the car in the right spot on turn exit or entry helps to negate the usefulness of the KERS by forcing the passing car the long way around, or causing them to stutter on putting down the power. 80hp just doesn't seem to make a difference.

Now if you are defending on the straight from someone with DRS on, then there might be a usefulness, but you nee dot be close enough for that to happen. and if you are just plain faster, then it doesn't matter.
KERS + DRS is a huge boost for someone. On the back straight at Malaysia, Heidfeld was using KERS on the exit of the turn to get away from Webber, and he was clearly gaining a lot by this. KERS is not very useful on tracks with short straights though like Australia.

You still have the general rule that you have to be a second a lap to a second and a half lap faster then the car in front to pass.

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It would be interesting to see if Mercedes or even Renault finish in the podium
I don't think so. Webber had a bad start because everyone else was running it at the start, and told Vettel not to use it near the end of the race. I don't think McLaren was playing either...for the last year they've been talking about how their upgrades are bringing a ton to the table (and usually being wrong .
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You have to remember too, KERS didnt actually break on Vettels car (he continued to use it a few laps later).

The first few races are still testing for all of the teams and when you are the car out front, you are more able to treat it as a test for the engineers. "Ok shut this off and lets see what lap times do", etc.
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It did overheat, so he was forced to not use it for the last half of the race or so.
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http://www.formula1.com/news/intervi...1/4/11924.html

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Vettel: "Let me put it this way: for the majority of the race it did work, but it is also no secret that for some parts we had to deactivate it - but we were able to bring it back to working mode again. To find out why it had to be turned off we have to analyze the data. It is definitely something that we have to concentrate on because we know that we will lose lap time when we have to turn it off. But for this race it was paramount that we had it at the start because otherwise I doubt I would have been able to keep my position into the first corner - and the race would have developed significantly differently."
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Yay for speed commentators being wrong again!
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That is why i don't even bother with speed (besides i don't have cable any more). I either watch via the BBC Red Button or wait for the download.
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"But for this race it was paramount that we had it at the start because otherwise I doubt I would have been able to keep my position into the first corner - and the race would have developed significantly differently."
Said Vettel, which was the case with Webber.
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Whats your point? I think you're in the wrong thread
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Just sayin'!
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Haha, fair enough.
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KERS really really only seems to help to block. A good driver can drive around it. Assuming he isn't carrying the dead weight of the batteries and motor. Placing the car in the right spot on turn exit or entry helps to negate the usefulness of the KERS by forcing the passing car the long way around, or causing them to stutter on putting down the power. 80hp just doesn't seem to make a difference.

Now if you are defending on the straight from someone with DRS on, then there might be a usefulness, but you nee dot be close enough for that to happen. and if you are just plain faster, then it doesn't matter.
You have to also realize that KERS is borderline required for the front runners. The FIA raised the minimum weight of the chassis equivalent to that of the average KERS system, so there is no longer a weight advantage by not using it. The only advantage you would have is being able to distribute the weight anywhere on the chassis, but even then, if I remember correctly, you have to have a certain front-back weight ratio.
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I don't think its borderline required if the team who essentially hasn't used it has dominated the first two races
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^ yup.
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I don't think its borderline required if the team who essentially hasn't used it has dominated the first two races
Agreed, but it wasn't the team that dominated.....
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I think the race in Malaysia was one of the most entertaining I've seen in a while, even if my favorite driver struggled. I didn't think it was confusing, so much as it was manic action. There was always something going on. The BBC announcers were right, too...the DRS helped the cars stay close together so they didn't stretch out early on.

The weather looks good for the whole weekend, maybe a 10% chance of rain.

Isn't Shanghai the track that used to be really abrasive on tires? If so, given the wear rate on the Pirellis, we're in for a LOT of marbles and pit stops.

I'm looking for things to be similar to the last race....McLaren hot on the heels of Red Bull, but ultimately unable to keep pace. It'll be worse in Turkey when the Newey cars run away through turn 8.
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Canada is the track that kills the tires.

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FIA confirms DRS zone for China

By Pablo Elizalde Wednesday, April 13th 2011, 08:48 GMT

FIA confirms DRS zone for ChinaFormula 1's ruling body, the FIA, has confirmed the area in which drivers will be able to use their moveable rear wings during the Chinese Grand Prix.

The DRS (Drag Reduction System) will be allowed on the back straight of the Shanghai circuit, with the activation zone located before the halfway point of the straight, after Turn 13.

The zone is the only place on the track where drivers will be able to use their moveable wing during the race.

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Agreed, but it wasn't the team that dominated.....
Huh?.
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Huh?.
I believe he's saying Vettel dominated, not Red Bull as a team (see: Webber).
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