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Old 04-14-2011, 11:04 PM   #1
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Has anyone else been watching this series on the Science Channel? It chronicles the 2010 TDI Cup. A really great perspective of the series and what it's taken these young drivers to step up to the realm of professional racing. Check it out if you get the time.
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Old 04-15-2011, 02:58 AM   #2
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Wait till AdvanWRX sees this thread...





cn; Crap series made for TV.
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Old 04-15-2011, 09:01 AM   #3
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They had a marathon on last week and I watched the whole season. Definitely some contrived drama but it was entertaining to watch nonetheless. There seems to be a broad spectrum of talent in the series. Some of the drivers look genuinely good and probably have pro careers in front of them, while others look like they probably couldn't even win a club race to save their lives. In the episode where 2 drivers were about to get kicked out for being moving roadblocks, they were something like 15 or 20 seconds off the pace on a sub 2:00 lap.
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Old 04-15-2011, 09:50 AM   #4
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I agree with boost... There is some talent, but my problem with that is they never said it was a $50k entry fee, and you pay for damage a LOT for damage. In the first episode when they were talking to AJ and a few other drivers and it was their second season... meaning 100K.... where are these kids getting 100k? I'll leave you all to figure that out.

Some are really talented, however, most of them are no better than average, they just have the money to spend to race at the semi pro level.
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Old 04-15-2011, 10:40 AM   #5
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I agree with the above. watching the spec racing was enjoyable. It was also nice to see the workings of a spec series that is being covered under the TV light. The cheques that were being cut were pretty crazy for some damage. A fair bit different than what it's been costing me to prepare for rally events.

I saw the road block episode and was also amazed by that part. I'm certainly not saying that I can turn lap times equivalent to the front runners, but from an outside perspective 15 seconds off the pace is not even close! In an hour long race, 2 seconds off the pace for 2 minute laps means by race end you are a minute behind at the end, 15 seconds- 7.5 minutes off! Over 3.5 laps down. That's a tenth of the total distance.

All being said- I still enjoyed the series and it definitely gave me more perspective.
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Old 04-15-2011, 10:58 AM   #6
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cn; Crap series made for TV.
Dan, glad you know me! You should come down to the GRAND-AM race at Laguna in July, it'd be cool to hang out after all these years.


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I agree with boost... There is some talent, but my problem with that is they never said it was a $50k entry fee, and you pay for damage a LOT for damage. In the first episode when they were talking to AJ and a few other drivers and it was their second season... meaning 100K.... where are these kids getting 100k? I'll leave you all to figure that out.

Some are really talented, however, most of them are no better than average, they just have the money to spend to race at the semi pro level.
A lot of the kids come from money, and some like AJ have sold their own racecars, street cars, and get sponsorship to come up with the 45k entry fee for the year. Yes you do pay a lot for damage, I did not compete in 2010 but in 2009, I had to pay nearly $400 for a windshield, then an additional $90 for the vinyl SCCA Pro Racing banner for it... You can imagine what actual body parts are.


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I agree with the above. watching the spec racing was enjoyable. It was also nice to see the workings of a spec series that is being covered under the TV light. The cheques that were being cut were pretty crazy for some damage. A fair bit different than what it's been costing me to prepare for rally events.

All being said- I still enjoyed the series and it definitely gave me more perspective.
It's so funny the points that VW decided to highlight to cover their ass in a 'spec' series to make them look legit. I have actual data from different cars that show up to 4mph differences in top speed on certain tracks, yet they claim all of the cars are the same. The cars are so different, they have 1 scale pad set up for 25 cars, how on earth can all the car's be identical after a session of the drivers running off track and compromising alignment setups. I could go on and on about what ACTUALLY happens inside the series, but all I have to say is that they ran a program for 3 years, and now for some random reason it is gone Obviously things can be skewed for TV.
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Old 04-15-2011, 02:44 PM   #7
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It just sucks that it takes$$$$$$ to get discovered.
Im sure theres plenty of driving talent out the but never get the opurtunity.
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Old 04-16-2011, 10:36 PM   #8
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A lot of the kids come from money, and some like AJ have sold their own racecars, street cars, and get sponsorship to come up with the 45k entry fee for the year. Yes you do pay a lot for damage, I did not compete in 2010 but in 2009, I had to pay nearly $400 for a windshield, then an additional $90 for the vinyl SCCA Pro Racing banner for it... You can imagine what actual body parts are.
Yes, but whatever race car and street car he sold, was not even close to 45K, not to mention him doing it 2 years in a row. Thats a LOT of money, and as a mechanic at a honda dealership, you don't make that kind of cash, trust me. AS for paying for damage thats understandable, $400 for a lexan windshield, and $90 for vinyl, sounds about right actually, between the price and the labor. What I don't understand is the stories about people being punted off track by better funded drivers because they could pay for the damage. This means that people would stay clear of them in later races, or have to fork over for body work.

Now I'm not saying there is no talent in that series, as Ryan Ellis, and others have proven they are SUPER fast, clean, and reliable drivers (not unlike yourself). However, you have to have a backer to pay for that, and at the age of ~20, guess who that is, mommy and daddy. I could probably sell my race car, truck, trailer, etc and be about where I'd need to be for a year in TDI cup, but honestly, I'm not "of age" anymore, and I'd rather race conti anyway (although after watching the homestead race i do wonder about contact rules, lol).

To each their own, and I'll continue to envy people like you and others that live my dream
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Sux that in order for a talented driver to make a little money racing they must 1st start with a LOT of money, but that seems to be the rule.
You have to be willing to punt it into the scenery from time to timae and be financially able to come right back. If you are worried about how much it could potentially cost you every time there's a little bumping and rubbing going on you won't be competitive.
I know I could never afford it. I can barely afford track days.
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Old 04-18-2011, 01:33 AM   #10
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thx for posting this up, I don't have cable, but I will look for it online.

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Yes, but whatever race car and street car he sold, was not even close to 45K, not to mention him doing it 2 years in a row. Thats a LOT of money, and as a mechanic at a honda dealership, you don't make that kind of cash, trust me. AS for paying for damage thats understandable, $400 for a lexan windshield, and $90 for vinyl, sounds about right actually, between the price and the labor. What I don't understand is the stories about people being punted off track by better funded drivers because they could pay for the damage. This means that people would stay clear of them in later races, or have to fork over for body work.

Now I'm not saying there is no talent in that series, as Ryan Ellis, and others have proven they are SUPER fast, clean, and reliable drivers (not unlike yourself). However, you have to have a backer to pay for that, and at the age of ~20, guess who that is, mommy and daddy. I could probably sell my race car, truck, trailer, etc and be about where I'd need to be for a year in TDI cup, but honestly, I'm not "of age" anymore, and I'd rather race conti anyway (although after watching the homestead race i do wonder about contact rules, lol).

To each their own, and I'll continue to envy people like you and others that live my dream
I don't understand why you guys keep saying that. There are tons of 20 year olds with personal sponsorship. And in the context of today's racing world, 45K isn't a terrible amount. Take into account that he's sold two cars as well, and it really isn't out of the realm of possibility. Hell, our FSAE team got 20K worth of sponsorship from a local museum. Add some sponsorship from local businesses and your local VW dealer, it could make sense.
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