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Old 04-15-2011, 08:11 PM   #1
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Default Global Rallycross Twin Peaks at DirtFish, Snoqualmie, WA

I guess I'm the only one interested....

Live feed on ESPN3 now...

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The second stop in the 2011 Global RallyCross Championship – Twin Peaks – takes place April 15-16 at the Old Mill Adventure Park in Snoqualmie, WA. The venue is the site of a former Weyhauser paper mill built in 1910 and retains many of the historic buildings including the 500 foot long “planer” building through which Global RallyCross competitors will race. Once again the Global RallyCross track will feature the signature 70 foot gap jump for All Wheel Drive cars.

Friday, April 15th will feature head-to-head SuperRally action while Saturday’s main event will see up to six cars battle for RallyCross supremacy.

Tickets are $5 for Friday and $20 for Saturday with kids 12 and under free when accompanied by a paid admission. On site parking is $10 per vehicle. Gates open at 12:00 p.m. on Friday and 11:30 a.m. on Saturday. Don’t miss the driver autograph session, Saturday, at 12:30 p.m. in the Expo area.

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LOCATION | Old Mill Adventure Park: Snoqualmie, WA
DATE | April 15-16
CONDITIONS | Rural-industrial off-road: 40 per cent dirt, 60 per cent tarmac; drive-through structures Round 2 of the inaugural Global RallyCross Championship season, this event takes place in a rural-industrial location near Seattle that mixes industrial elements with short-course racing. The competition heats up for drivers hoping to race at X Games 17. Cars will run a dramatic mixed gravel and tarmac course through an industrial complex for racing unlike any seen before.

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Friday, April 15

12:00 PM Gates Open to Public
12:00 p.m. – 5:00 p.m. Will Call Open
1:00 p.m. – 2:00 p.m. Super Rally Qualifying, 2WD and AWD
2:10 p.m. – 3:15 p.m. 2WD and AWD Eliminations
3:15 p.m. – 3:45 p.m. Track Break
3:50 p.m. – 4:45 p.m. 2WD and AWD Quarter-Finals
4:55 p.m. – 5:30 p.m. 2WD and AWD Semi-Final
5:45 p.m. – 6:00 p.m. 2WD Finals. Podium to follow immediately at start line area
6:05 p.m. – 6:30 p.m. AWD Finals. Podium to follow immediately at start line area.
8:00 p.m. Gates Close
9:00 p.m. Venue Close

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11:30 a.m. Gates Open to Public
11:30 a.m. – 4:00 p.m. Will Call opens
12:30 p.m. – 12:55 p.m. Driver autograph signing (Expo)
1:05 p.m. – 1:20 p.m. National Anthem and Driver Intros
1:30 p.m. – 4:25 p.m. 2WD and AWD Heats
4:25 p.m. – 4:50 p.m. Track Break
4:55 p.m. – 5:20 p.m. 2WD & AWD C&B MAINS (alternating 2WD/AWD)
5:25 p.m. – 5:45 p.m. 2WD A MAIN > PODIUM IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING
5:55 p.m. – 6:15 p.m. 4WD A MAIN > PODIUM IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING.
8:00 p.m. Gates Close
9:00 p.m. Venue Close
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Old 04-15-2011, 09:06 PM   #2
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Really disappointed no Gronholm.
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Old 04-18-2011, 07:38 PM   #4
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Didn't get the live feed of this, but saw them when Global Rallycross stopped here in Irwindale. Looks like they've corrected whatever it was they we're continually breaking in the rear suspension when they we're out here. Not sure what it was, but something was breaking every run.

Wasn't sure how European style rallycross would take here, but it was a fun event to watch. The Europeans have tons of development into their cars though, not to mention experience and are brutally fast. Definitely a shame to see Gronholm didn't participate this time around though.

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Congrats Tanner and Eriksson
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Old 04-18-2011, 08:58 PM   #6
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We had fun! Hope those who attended or those who were able to catch the streaming video enjoyed the show!

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Really disappointed no Gronholm.
Really disappointed it has nothing to do with rally... More like a sport compact version of NASCAR dirt track racing with a big jump for media hype.
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Old 04-18-2011, 09:52 PM   #8
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I wish the runs were a little longer because they did have some really good racing going on, but the runs just seem so short to me. However I liked twin peaks better than Irwindale because the course was more open and the warehouse is cool to see them come sliding out of.
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Old 04-19-2011, 10:08 AM   #9
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...i don't think it's supposed to be stage rally... hence the name: rallycross

It's an entity of it's own.

Is this a good example of what we do in stage rally? No.

Does it create excitement for the sport and an urge to see more? Yes.

Have I overheard newbie rallycross spectators asking "when is the next local rally event?" Yes.

It generates interest in the sport I am passionate about, and for that, I support it 100%.

Rally. Rally. Rally!!!
this x1000

No one's ever tried to market this as stage rally. It's Rallycross. There are different types of road racing, and there are different types of rally racing.

Nothing to do with rally

Incredible cars are sliding and jumping on dirt, gravel and tarmac up to 6 at a time, what's not to like?
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Here's my recap video. Yes, there was carnage, there was also some amazing racing going on.

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thanks for posting the vid links

, any more photos from the event ?
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Really disappointed it has nothing to do with rally... More like a sport compact version of NASCAR dirt track racing with a big jump for media hype.
Can't quite let this one go huh?
That's a shame because your purist mind is missing some great racing.

IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE RALLY.
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thanks for posting the vid links

, any more photos from the event ?

We have posted a few here:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2170274

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I watched the GRC on ESPN last week and really, really liked it!

Hey, if it comes out here to the North East, and it's not too far from me, I'm going to go and be a spectator at the event.

Until then, it's TV and I hope to see more!
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I watched the GRC on ESPN last week and really, really liked it!

Hey, if it comes out here to the North East, and it's not too far from me, I'm going to go and be a spectator at the event.

Until then, it's TV and I hope to see more!
In my case I've got to settle for TV unless I take a small vacation and actually attend an event.

I saw it too on TV and I was thrilled, I was of the ones that followed WRC years before owning my GC and was devastated when it stopped airing on Speed.

Is there an air date or TV schedule available??
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....and there are different types of rally racing. ...Nothing to do with rally
Motorsport yes, rally no. The root of all rally motorsporting is navigating over time/speed/distance. This Global/Euro/Stadium rally-x stuff is not that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rallying#Rally_types

What this Global Rally Cross is is a side effect of SCCA dropping stage rally and it no being run by a for-profit company in the US. If this was being spun by NASCAR (who currently run dirt track sprint racing its just not done in 4 bangers), most here would have a strong allergic reaction to it. But its not, its being spun and pushed by people who are well established in the stage rally world, because they cannot make money from stage rally

That said, no doubt, this "new" euro rally-x thing will catch on, get TV coverage, and people will make money from it. Sadly, the side effect is that resources will be taken away from stage rally and it will suffer further. Just not my cup of tea...I'll stick w/ french roast thank you!

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I was wondering when the gopro footage was going to come out. There were about 3 dozen GoPros on the cars so that footage has to be somewhere.

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Complainers. Always will be complainers.

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/04/29/d...-of-neighbors/

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Unless you suffer from the kind of neurological defect that causes you to turn into a grinning fool every time you hear an engine bounce off of its limiter, you might not be entirely happy to have a rally school set up shop next door. DirtFish Rally School in Snoqualmie, Washington has made a name for itself as one of the best venues in the country to learn your way around a steering wheel, but according to The Sno Valley Star, not everyone's thrilled with the institution's success.

Local residents have complained of noise from both cars and the school's PA system after DirtFish recently hosted the Global RallyCross for ESPN. The school obtained a special two-day permit from local authorities for the event.

DirtFish president Ross Bentley said that the event was within the county's noise limits, and that all operations had ceased by 6 p.m. the evening of the RallyCross. Most days, events wrap up at 5 p.m. or earlier. Legitimate problem or much ado about nothing? Feel free to sound off (pun sadly intended...) in the Comments.
The events over. I'm sure life has returned to normal.
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Complainers. Always will be complainers.
I completely disagree!

Easy to say if you don't like w/in ear shot of it. This sort of public relations/nuisance challenge for motorsports events/venues is huge; as it is for outdoor shooting ranges and concert venues also. Dismissing the locals and their influence is a tried and true formula kill any of the above. Organizers must "invite them over" for coffee/beer/scotch, hear them out and work it out.
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I completely disagree!

Easy to say if you don't like w/in ear shot of it. This sort of public relations/nuisance challenge for motorsports events/venues is huge; as it is for outdoor shooting ranges and concert venues also. Dismissing the locals and their influence is a tried and true formula kill any of the above. Organizers must "invite them over" for coffee/beer/scotch, hear them out and work it out.
I totally agree with you. Why do you think that my statement contradicts this? Just because it's important to have positive relations with the neighbors doesn't mean they also aren't whiners.
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[quote=Deedeelish;33939852]I believe that the "excitement" you're speaking of above is actually highly wishful thinking.

....oh...and how about that sponsorship and contingency for stage rally???
Subaru - 90% goes to a single class
Ford - nothing
Mitsubishi - nothing
Major tire sponsor - nada
Television coverage - zippo

Ford has a support program for RA National and Regional events.
http://www.rally-america.com/news/875/

Have you ever been a competitor or worker, or are you one of the Drunk Flatbiller Fanbois that cause all the problems at events.

Just askin'.
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Have you ever been a competitor or worker, or are you one of the Drunk Flatbiller Fanbois that cause all the problems at events.
LOL...too funny! Are drunk Flatbiller Fanbois not allowed to have opinions on Rally America?? After all, it seems that is the demographic group they are targeting,no??



I love how all too often people rush to degrade something/someone they have no idea about. Since like '07 Deedeelish has been seen servicing or navigating at events all over the northeast, probably >18 if one were to count.

Can we go back to how great dirt track sprint racing in sport compact cars is?

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I believe that the "excitement" you're speaking of above is actually highly wishful thinking.




too bad the last National Event (which brings in the money to SUPPORT all the regional events) is in July......and those in your area ends in MAY.

point being....with the decrease in support of these National Events, there won't be any stage rally, that you are also in support of, to spectate at.



and how would you define "support"?

Do you support the fact that RallyAmerica (ooops...i mean RallyCar ) has dropped 5 National Rallies in 2010 and as a result, the season ends in the middle of July?

....oh...and how about that sponsorship and contingency for stage rally???
Subaru - 90% goes to a single class
Ford - nothing
Mitsubishi - nothing
Major tire sponsor - nada
Television coverage - zippo

seeing the trend??? There USED to be all of the above for stage rally here in the US (I won't even discuss the massive amount supported in the rest of the world). Now....it's being "directed" toward such events that are NOT rally.

I started rallying in 2007....since then, none of that stuff existed anyway, so what's the 'trend' there? And if you're going to compare it to rally 15+ years ago....don't bother, the past is the past and while I respect your opinion on this, I can't stand the 'back in my day' discussion, because that's not an intelligent conversation. If that's the root of your opinion, lets just agree to disagree because you'll never change your mind, and I'll never be able to experience what you experienced 15 years ago. and even if I could, what's the point? Its the past....get over it, move on.

I got into rally by attending a CRS rally school and seeing real local rally cars in action...no fan fare, no big national series, no big sponsorship banners. I saw it, I saw what poeple were doing on limited budgets and I realized..."hey, I can do that." And that was a RALLY CROSS...definitely NOT rally, and so my point here...it doesn't NEED to be RALLY to get positive attention and draw in rookie competitors....because that's what we're really talking about, right? Bringing in new blood? All the stuff you mentioned: contingencies, sponsorship, TV coverage, while helps existing teams compete more, it also makes it easier for new blood to enter the sport! But with entries at an all time low, how can we expect these things w/o a lot of competitors? its not like we have rally events with 100+ competitors and not a single contingency. We as competitors must build it before that stuff comes (yes, cheesy 'field of dreams' reference)

GRC is bringing locals to an event (or I should say, an event to locals) with rally cars and rally car drivers. Its it 'pure rally'? No. But plenty of WRC, national, and regional events have 'super special' type stages and that's what this is....a fancy super special with purpose built cars AND rally cars. People are seeing it, and I'm sure some of those spectators are going, "hmmm....I can do this? cool...." THAT is what is benefiting the sport....making people aware of the sport of rally, and potentially bringing in new competitors. Whether they build a car in 2 years or outright buy someone's built car in the next 3 months, it'll never be a 'immediate gratification' kind of result, but it WILL bring in competitors, and THAT's what the regional events need right now. (you'll never get any kind of major sponsorship with 11, or 15 or even 20 competitors per event...which is what we're seeing in the SouthWest right now on average)


you also mentioned RallyCar/Rally America dropping 5 national rallies....and we still have what, 6 events on the national calendar? So there were 11 rallies before that? WAYYY too many! do you think Travis Hanson could really be in any serious contention for the SP Championship if he had to make 11 events all over the US this year? hell no.

They made a move in the right direction...and the fact that they made the series terminate with the XGames, well, that's their decision.


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IMO, if you were running an event just to have travis pastrana and ken block show up, well, you were running events for the wrong reasons. And look what happened in 2011!! No TP or KB anyway!! Don't forget RallyCar/RA doesn't put on events, the organizers do. So for example, Rally CO didn't go away because of RallyCar....the organizers made the conscious decision to just STOP organizing. I was really disappointed when all that happened, that of all the people in the CO rally community, not a single person stepped up to take over that event and just run it as a regional. Now we're getting off topic, but I personally feel that the REAL problem with rally these days....not enough 'doers'.....too many people sitting around waiting for others to 'find roads', 'get permits' and actually do something.
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Have you ever been a competitor or worker, or are you one of the Drunk Flatbiller Fanbois that cause all the problems at events.

Just askin'.

You're askin' in the wrong questions. I don't mind people complaining with valid opinions, but backup your complaint with a solution, and then make it happen. Again, our sport need 'doers'.


You should be asking, "So....what have you done in the past X year(s) to help fight this 'trend' you're seeing? What rally clubs have you started in your local area? What events have you personally volunteered at? What events have you helped organize? What street queen car shows have you showed up at with your dirty ass rally car to help create awareness of the sport?"



And to be clear, its doesn't HAVE to be a lot...even just taking the rally car around to pick up some groceries, I ALWAYs get some guy coming up to me and chatting with me about the car and where i race, etc, etc. Even something like that, who knows when/where that guy will show up on the rally scene, but at least its something. "Word of Mouth" is very powerful.

I ran a rally school weekend with Paul Eklund last weekend, I rented my car out to a few students that wanted to drive a real rally car. this was the email I got a few days later:

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Thanks again for letting me rent time in your car last weekend. I started a "buy David a rally-x car" piggy bank as soon as I got home. Not gonna happen soon enough!

Even though I've only done the one rally school and rally-x, can I be added to your invitational rally-x? And if it works out for you, I'd love to rent seat time in your car that weekend. Whatever is fair for fuel, tires, wear and tear. If not, I guess I'm in street class with my 08 on all seasons.

Thanks,
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