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Old 04-18-2011, 07:50 PM   #1
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Default Power steering: Intermittent stiffness

Ok, so on my 05 STi. Power steering pump was leaking.
I replaced the orings in the pump as well as the clamps in the system(except the two by the turbo).

I bled the system for like 45 mins.(I used fresh fluid of course) Back and forth slowly with the car off and(car on stands). Fluid level seems fine. Zero bubbles in the reservoir.

Yet the system is still not operating properly. At time it seems fine. But then it bogs down at other times.It will actually lock up and resist me doing a full turn to lock(while the car is on and stationary). Not always though. There are times it works just fine.

Its very strange. The steering overall feels a little heavier than before. I dont have any idea whats up.

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1. new pump orings. No leaks
2. new clamps(Except two though id ont think they are causing an issue because..)
3. no air bubbles in the reservoir at all.
4. No shudder in the wheel either.
5. Occasionally gets tough/really heavy/even resists
6. belt is tight and is only a few months old.

As I said no shudder, and the pump isnt making huge amts of noise either. Sounds like normal faint operating noise to me.


Any ideas? This power steering is a huge pita.

When I did the clamps on the bottom of the rack I obviously drained fluid from there. Some kind of airlock in the steering rack itself?Possible?


Is there a bleed valve on the rack?

Yes I realize I have a lot of questions but some of them are more rhetorical/me thinking out loud. Just trying to best describe whats up/what ive done in order to see if you guys have any ideas.

Thanks
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Old 04-19-2011, 12:31 AM   #2
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Steering rack and pinion? Steering rack bushing? When was the last time they were checked or replaced?
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Old 04-19-2011, 01:51 AM   #3
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the car has about 40k miles on it. Neither have been replaced at this point.
I just find it odd that something else would go out. The steering was perfectly fine on Friday(even with the leaking pump).
Its not until I drained the system while doing the rebuild...and bled has their been any issues.

Im thinking err hoping its just some air being a pain in the butt. I may try a vacuum bleed to see if I can draw it out. Because the manual methods are producing no air at this point. like i mentioned i literally did it a lot. 10 mins. then let it sit. then 45 min straight.

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Old 04-19-2011, 06:08 PM   #4
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Just throwing this against the wall but....

Did you use the correct fluid?

You need Dextron III or IV. Regular power steering fluid will cause issues and eventually pump failure.
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Old 04-19-2011, 08:14 PM   #5
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Hey, thanks for the help! No one else seems to be chiming in here.

I used Mobil 1 synthetic ATF. Its compatible and Ive read of others using it with no issues. (though I dont believe you are correct in saying power steering fluid will cause failures. atf and power steering fluid are both hydraulic fluid. atf has additives for transmissions that dont apply to ps system. my guess its used to save money/1 less fluid they have to buy at the factory+ the red helps if there is a leak, unless someone else wants to chime in with some good info suggesting otherwise)...
though as said, I used atf.



I just did a vac bleed this evening....no change at all. Im left here scratching my head. The rack was perfectly fine so its hard for me to believe it just decided to go(though weirder things have happened).
I checked the bushings and they look fine to me.

Maybe the pump itself isnt outputting what it should be even though I fixed the leaky seal.

Is there a filter in the reservoir?
I know other cars have it. I didnt check when I was putting it all back together.

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Old 04-20-2011, 11:04 PM   #6
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usually if the pump is leaking it is better to replace it than to just reseal it, a remaned pump is not terribly expensive and you know you are getting quality. if that seal was leaking fluid out there is no telling what could have gotten into the pump i mean anything is possible, if some dirt or dust got in and contaminated the pump it could be giving you trouble. just my .02
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Old 10-04-2011, 08:58 AM   #7
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Bump for an old(er) thread.



Similar problems experienced here as well. Did the same as you, and as far as I can tell, the pump is no longer pulling air. However, the steering still feels somewhat harder than normal. But only at rpms near to/just under 1k rpm (like on idle).

To the OP - what did you end up doing?
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Old 10-20-2011, 03:33 PM   #8
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Oooh this outlines my problems exactly on my forester cross sport. Any ideas because I have no leaks, new seals and a stiff wheel. I am able to turn all the way to right without problems but to the right is a task, it reaches a point that I need to use excessive force to get it to move. PS fluids slushes around the reservoir and no bubbles, system was bled thoroughly on stand and then started and then lowered and once lowered it was a nightmare to turn again. Drained it via both hardlines on the rack and flushed it properly.
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