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Old 07-23-2012, 10:03 PM   #801
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Wasn't that the one where you have to ship Moore's your VF37 for them to gut out and change the center? Or was it some other? Do you have a link?
You're thinking of the Blouch setup. The Moore setup is what you're thinking of, and it uses EVO turbos which are proven.
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Old 07-24-2012, 01:37 PM   #802
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I'm talking about headers & downpipe maybe rotated and will a 06 wrx need to switch the oil cooler since Subaru changed it for some asinine reason.smh

If I'm correct, I cannot post pricing in this thread but please email or pm us for more pricing and complete kit information and specs.

06 wrx oil cooler will need changed to work with our header (and i'm sure all other EL headers of similar design). We have many customers that delete their oil cooler setup completely so we put together a small kit that allows you to do so, if that is an option you're looking into.
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Old 07-24-2012, 02:11 PM   #803
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If I'm correct, I cannot post pricing in this thread but please email or pm us for more pricing and complete kit information and specs.

06 wrx oil cooler will need changed to work with our header (and i'm sure all other EL headers of similar design). We have many customers that delete their oil cooler setup completely so we put together a small kit that allows you to do so, if that is an option you're looking into.
If that's the case, pm me the price and I'll include it with the OP.
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Old 07-24-2012, 08:02 PM   #804
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^^^ Yea click that private message link and some price quotes shipped to 28215 for a stock location and a (T4 Rotated I'm still on the fence for a 7064 EFR.) Since I lowered my compression I need to get my off boost responsiveness back.
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Old 08-09-2012, 11:43 AM   #805
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Sorry everyone.... I have been too busy enjoying my TS 2.5xtr to right up a post Response is fantastic.... the twinscroll seems to help out considerably with low speed driveability. Boost builds steady from 2000 on up. I am only running on a 15psi WG 91 octane break in map, but the car feel phenomenal!! From a stop it feels like an NA V6 and then boost begins to build very linearly!!! great power all over... totally different experience then my vf 48... more to come!!
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Old 08-12-2012, 04:27 PM   #806
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is it stock location TS^ i want to upgrade but can not decide if i should just go ahead and skip stock location type TS and go t3 TS instead since there are so many options out there.
let us know when its done and the final numbers/info!
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Old 08-13-2012, 10:08 PM   #807
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Here is next competitor to the LM,SC(Blouch in USA),MD(Lateral Performance) and others

Its Owen Development Twin scroll turbo,still is under testing,but looking like good option

This is on the 2.1 with JDM STi AVCS heads and Chevron TMIC

457 BHP @ 6500rpm, 465 LbFt @ 3750rpm on V-Power 99RON + 20% meth(blue line)

405BHP @ 6500rpm 420lbft at 3750rpm on V-Power 99RON(red line)






This turbo still is under testing,but looking will make more power in final stages


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Old 08-14-2012, 12:46 PM   #808
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so bhp as in crank? looks very interesting since its spooling to 25psi about by 3500rpms. any specs on compressor or turbine sizes? lb/min flow? price? i would like to buy a turbo very soon but if a new option is coming out i can wait and see how it does.
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Old 08-14-2012, 04:04 PM   #809
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How are these guys making so much power so soon?

I haven't seen any US guys with TS making this type of power this soon (even if it is crank hp)
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Old 08-14-2012, 04:19 PM   #810
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How are these guys making so much power so soon?

I haven't seen any US guys with TS making this type of power this soon (even if it is crank hp)
This is a 2.1L Stroker, that can easily attribute why it made power as quickly as it did.
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Old 08-14-2012, 08:38 PM   #811
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so bhp as in crank? looks very interesting since its spooling to 25psi about by 3500rpms. any specs on compressor or turbine sizes? lb/min flow? price? i would like to buy a turbo very soon but if a new option is coming out i can wait and see how it does.

Yes is crank(Flywheel bhp figure),as i said is still under development and still fettling more and more this turbo, I'm afraid don't know exactly lb/min flow and price

On road this turbo spools faster than on Rolling road


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How are these guys making so much power so soon?

I haven't seen any US guys with TS making this type of power this soon (even if it is crank hp)

Hi there

He running Chevron TMIC,which is probably best TMIC which is available on the market






Plus he running 2.1L with JDM big port heads,but still similar turbos spools slower than this

Here are Delta Dash results including Air Charge temperature

http://bbs.scoobynet.com/showpost.ph...8&postcount=66

http://bbs.scoobynet.com/showpost.ph...7&postcount=81

http://bbs.scoobynet.com/showpost.ph...3&postcount=87

Hope this help



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Old 08-14-2012, 09:31 PM   #812
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What gear was this? and was it a 6 speed transmission?

The links don't work, btw.
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Old 08-14-2012, 09:34 PM   #813
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What gear was this? and was it a 6 speed transmission?

The links don't work, btw.
In 4th gear and links will work,but seems Scoobynet server is again down,please check later on

Links are correct there and i've tested them before i've posted them

You can check the Scoobynet forum,if Scoobynet forum working,should those links work too

http://bbs.scoobynet.com/forum.php


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Old 08-14-2012, 09:36 PM   #814
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The links don't work, btw.
This appears to be an issue with scoobynet, and not the links.

Edit: oops, beat to the punch.
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Old 08-14-2012, 10:34 PM   #815
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4th out of 5 gears or 6?

Edit: The links work now, the site is up.
Ok, it's a 6 speed, high compression engine.

Wow, Ecutek sells injectors these days?

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Old 08-15-2012, 02:14 PM   #816
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well hopefully they hurry up lol! just looking at some of there other prices they seem pretty damn high so not sure if this will be an option for me either way.
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Old 08-19-2012, 01:48 PM   #817
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Here is next competitor to the LM,SC(Blouch in USA),MD(Lateral Performance) and others

Its Owen Development Twin scroll turbo,still is under testing,but looking like good option

This is on the 2.1 with JDM STi AVCS heads and Chevron TMIC

457 BHP @ 6500rpm, 465 LbFt @ 3750rpm on V-Power 99RON + 20% meth(blue line)

405BHP @ 6500rpm 420lbft at 3750rpm on V-Power 99RON(red line)






This turbo still is under testing,but looking will make more power in final stages


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Hi Guys,

This is my car/engine setup.

I've been doing some development work with Owen Developments and Chevron Motorsport to come up with something that will give me the same spool as my Stock VF37 turbo, but produce more torque and power, i think we are there now.

The turbo is a proper twin scroll, with roller bearing core, Garrett serge port equipped compressor housing with billet compressor wheel, inconel waste gates and Owen spec turbine wheel.

Currently it is mapped to 1.85 BAR and 135,000 rpm on the road, which is limited because of the OEM MAP sensor in use. I now have a Perrin 4 BAR map sensor which will allow us to take the boost up to 2.0BAR, we will run a peak turbo speed of 145,000 rpm. On the Rolling Road it was a very hot day with 24 degrees Ambient, so it only pulled 1.75BAR and 132,000rpm, the engine is road mapped. Charge temps were also higher on the rollers than i see on the road.

For those saying it's the 2.1 that is the reason for the fast spool, below is a DeltaDash Road Dyno comparison of this engine with the stock VF37 turbo installed running a 33% mix of VP Q16 race fuel, 66% 99 RON pump fuel, compared to the current setup on a 20% mix of methanol and the spool is identical, the current setup actually spools 100rpm faster on plain 99RON fuel.



At the moment we have a Samco turbo inlet pipe that is collapsing under load, so top end is being strangled a little too. Once we have a new inlet pipe fitted and have done another mapping session i'll update the thread.

Any questions ask away, some of you may remember me from the motorsport forum many moons ago, i'm not a newby, just been a tad busy the last few years.

cheers
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Old 08-19-2012, 02:01 PM   #818
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And this is what the turbo looks like, the electrical lead/connector is the Garrett turbo speed sensor we are using to gather data during mapping, we are well inside the turbo eficiency speed range at the moment.



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Old 08-19-2012, 02:23 PM   #819
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Here is my engine bay, no heat shielding in use yet.


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Old 10-06-2012, 02:14 PM   #820
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Latest runs from my MY06 2ltr JDM:

Standard OEM engine
Billet LM450
800cc EcuTEK injectors
OEM ECU
BRD Inlet
3" Decat
Hybrid FMIC
Shell VPower + 20% Methanol

Dyno run in 4th. Figures show flywheel. Car was also run on a hub dyno and it showed 410bhp @ hubs.

Red line is VPower+20% Meth
Blue line is VPower

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Old 10-06-2012, 02:20 PM   #821
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Nice results Shaun.

My new more rigid Inlet pipe was fitted today, Perrin 4BAR MAP Sensor is here ready to install, so all ready for it's mapping session to see what the engine will produce with the turbo optimised.

Engine is being Mapped on Wednesday, should be interesting.
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Old 10-07-2012, 12:03 AM   #822
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Awesome guys results,congratulation


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Old 10-07-2012, 07:13 AM   #823
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Looking forward to your results John. Looks like the options from UK manufacturers are certainly mixing it up! I think it would be interesting to see our cars ran on US dynos as well.
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Old 10-07-2012, 04:15 PM   #824
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Just add 20% to our figures, thats traditionally the difference between US and UK ponies.

Just finished installing my Spec C water spray tank too, so have IC sprays back in action again.
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Old 10-07-2012, 05:24 PM   #825
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I can assure you that the US horses are quite muscular...
I remember my dissapointment when my Alfa Romeo listed in US with 3 less HP than it had in EU, in PS..
I was still trying to come up with a reason for which it has less power for export, when it dawned on me to find the equivalence formula..
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