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Old 05-03-2001, 08:08 AM   #1
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Post Stage Rallies vs TSD Rallies

When did stage rallies first come into existance? I taped a rally from 1961 on Speedvision and it looked to be a TSD. Another one I taped was from 1975 and it seemed to be more like ProRally

I hope I'm using the correct terminology. I'm talking about the "real cars, real roads, real fast" type of rally as opposed to the kind where you have to arrive at checkpoints at a specific time.
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Old 05-03-2001, 02:10 PM   #2
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i dont quite understand the question
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Old 05-03-2001, 02:54 PM   #3
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The early stage rallys were high speed even though it dosn't look like they're going fast. The main problem with the early rallys was just finishing. Those big heavy cars were not robust and had problems with just finishing a stage with out breaking something. Hope this helps.

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this is an extract from my rally report from the TBird TSD rally Subie Gal and I competed in back in february, it explains how TSD's work. The full article is at http://www.rallybc.com/archives/2001...d_story29.html


"Itís probably a good idea to explain quickly how a TSD rally works. In the stage instructions you are given the route through the stage with Tulip diagrams, that is easy for me to follow, I have used them since I was 17. Unlike Special stage rallies however, you are also given a set speed to attain through the stage, this is known as the CAST, one stage may have multiple sections of different castís and it is my job to tell Jamie whether we are bang on the correct speed for that section, down to the 0.1 of a second. Also unlike a special stage, a TSD stage has more than one time control and these are hidden from the competitors, so its essential you keep to the set speed all the way through the stage. Now you imagine being given a set speed to attain of 72km/h through ice and snow covered hairpins with 1000ft drop just a few feet away, itís not easy. What you find yourself doing in some sections that have nasty bends is say 30km/h but then having to make up the lost time by doing 120km/h plus where it is safe; itís a hell of a challenge.
Teamwork is absolutely essential because I have to make sure we donít go too fast or too slow to the second through a stage that may be 120Kmís long. Just think about that, 120Kmís of driving accurate to the second; pretty amazing task on tarmac, never mind snow and ice. "

A special stage rally has road sections that are non competitive like a TSD, you are penalised for being early or late. Unlike a TSD however you have a stage start control who counts you off, then its a case of drive as fast as you can to the stage finish. Fastest times over the competitive stages plus any road penalties wins the event.

I am back over in a few weeks to do the No Alibi rally with Jamie, looking forward to it a great deal, we made a good team first time out, rallying is one of THE team sports out there.
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Sounds pretty exciting when you put it that way. The only part that turned me off about TSD's was the SCCA verbiage that said something about not exceeding the speed limit. Am I to assume they don't require you to exceed the speed limit at any point, but if you don't you probably won't be competetive?

On a side note John, if you could find your way clear to bring me some of that wonderful Red Leicester cheese (I think that's what it's called), I would be happy to make it worth your while. It goes really well with wine, and I can't seem to find anything like it over here...

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About those TSD 'speed limits':
The first TSD rally I competed in was on gravel for 80% of the event. The speed limit 'technically' on those roads is 35mph. To maintain an average speed you have to go about 40mph. Since there is no police enforcement (or anyone else) on the roads it wasn't a problem.
I challenge you to maintain 40 and call it boring, when you're dealing with gravel, rain, darkness, mud, standing water, dust, wildlife, etc. I never had so much fun at 40mph!
You just have to select the right event. Go for the gravel where possible. Speed isn't the biggest challenge. You can still slide a car around hairpins at 25mph, trust me
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There are big differences between different TSD rallys. They range from slow inner city rallys (which are still fun and challanging) to gravel rallies in the middle of no where. Try them all and find out for your self.

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