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Old 07-21-2002, 01:19 PM   #1
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Default Registering a Japanese car in US, can it be done?

I was told by a guy I trust a good amount that a friend of his has a few Japanese cars (supras, eg civic, etc) that he would like to sell for quite cheap, thing is these cars are non 'legal' in the US. As I understand it, it would be entirely legal to have as a non-street car.

In theory (cough cough) would it be possible to maybe do a little bending of rules with either a salvage title or doing a kit car-esque thing, and somehow getting it insured. Basically so I could take some drives in it, keeping the subie as the daily driver, and not wind up getting screwed if I got pulled over.

You all are smart and creative, and I'd really like to hear your ideas

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Old 07-21-2002, 01:30 PM   #2
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what makes them not street legal? just because it's a foreign car doesn't mean it can't be licensed in the US...the problem is not where the car is from, it's that it isn't street legal for whatever reason
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Old 07-21-2002, 01:39 PM   #3
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Well emissions isn't that tough I wouldn't think, throw on some extra cats come emissions test time, or other things that could be done make me not worry about emissions.

Right hand drive couldn't inherantly be illegal as I've seen a number of right hand drive cars around. So what would it be?
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Old 07-21-2002, 01:43 PM   #4
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there's a good chance it's emmisions...i suppose there technically could be safety issues but that's very unlikely (have you seen t-bucket hotrods?)
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Old 07-21-2002, 01:47 PM   #5
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That's my point. In NM we have the v-8 trikes, t-buckets, and other stuff like that. I just don't want to spend some money on a very cool toy and get it taken away, or have to pay a grip of fines.

Also, any idea about insuring it?
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Old 07-21-2002, 09:20 PM   #6
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Old 07-21-2002, 09:28 PM   #7
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First it has to be on the DOT & EPA list as an importable car. Then it has to go thru EPA & DOT testing. Then it has to be converted to US specs by an authorized garage, then you can register it. All of this will cost you. Just as a ballpark, a friend of mine imported a BMW and it cost him over $6K just to get it registerable in the US.
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Old 07-21-2002, 09:31 PM   #8
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What he said, and the BMW was probably almost exactly identical to a US model. If there's any differences it only gets more involved and more expensive.
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Old 07-21-2002, 09:35 PM   #9
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Lots of time there are lots of small differences that will add up.

stupid stuff like the spec of the head lights or something. then you have to have the car redone for US gas specs.

In the mid east they don't use cats becuase there is lead in the fuel, in Japan there is REALLY HIGH OCTANE and then in europe its probably something else I don't remember.

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Old 07-21-2002, 09:37 PM   #10
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Here's some fun stuff for you guys to look at about the group that brings Skyline GTR's into the USA.

-There is not currently an equivalent model offered in the US (as a counter to Micah's point above).
-They have some details on the DOT and EPA certifications.
-Hehehe, you could get two Vette Z06's for the price of one of the newer imported V-spec Skylines.

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Old 07-21-2002, 09:53 PM   #11
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Here's some fun stuff for you guys to look at about the group that brings Skyline GTR's into the USA.

-There is not currently an equivalent model offered in the US (as a counter to Micah's point above).
-They have some details on the DOT and EPA certifications.
-Hehehe, you could get two Vette Z06's for the price of one of the newer imported V-spec Skylines.

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Yeah, and they had to crash test 50(IIRC) Skylines before they could get them registerable.
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Old 07-21-2002, 10:12 PM   #12
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Yeah, and they had to crash test 50(IIRC) Skylines before they could get them registerable.
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Old 07-21-2002, 10:27 PM   #13
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For half the cost of a $8K R32 marked up to $48K my Motorex I could just as well build a Ultima for around half the cost. If you guys only knew how cheap Motorex is getting those things for you would be pissed. A friend shipped his silver R32 GTR back to the US thinking it would be cool to own. Well don't even bother with Motorex! They tell you $15K paid up front for the conversion and taking care of your paperwork. Then once its in their hands they start coming up with a ass load of addition charges. They pulled my friends stock ECU out and claimed it was bad and needed to be changed out. They wouldn't let him send them another ECU that he could get here for $200 instead they charged him $1000 alone for the ECU. Then before shipping he put back on the stock exhaust and they said they needed to put on a stock exhaust for emissions. It was a stock exhaust you a-hole! His orignal $15K that they claimed ended up being $19,500 when they finally got done and it only took them 10months. Odd how they wouldn't even supply him with his old parts that they said were bad. Especially if the car was inspected by G-Force here in Japan prior to shipping and the car was in perfect condition. F-ing hacks!
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Old 07-21-2002, 10:44 PM   #14
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Theorhetically speaking......

With a skyline I figured it would be a total PITA, as much as I love those.


Of what I understand the cars are allready here, so it's a case of not getting screwed if I get pulled over. In NM it would be a question of seeing if I could register a supra or an evo as a supra or mirage respectively. Even an EG civic would be kinda cool.

I don't remember the last time my VIN was checked, so I am wondering if a trip to a junkyard and buying an ultra totalled supra and getting the title from it. I would get liability insurance, and a plate would be good.

Another thing is I'm not really planning on selling it, because that would start to get really illegal, and I'm down with fun and all that, but not 'real crime'....that is how I figured motorex is so legal, they are profiting from it, not like a personal use/distribution thing.....


any more ideas?
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just take the whole thing apart. put it into seperate boxes and sea freight it over here.

buy a used POS at a junk yard. with a salvage title. take off the VIN plate put it onto the new car after you re assemble it and then have it inspected

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Old 07-21-2002, 11:09 PM   #16
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To reiterate, as I understand it, The Cars are allready in the states And I would most likely U-haul it home from where it is.

So I guess the VIN thing might work...again, I am not trying to do anything bad, just do what I want, as legally as possible (that was a wonderful euphamism)
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The being in the US(or not even) already as far as I know (which isn't much) it can be registered and insured but as a "show" type car (special registrations) And they can only be on the road so many miles a year. It sounds like that's all your doing so I'd say your good to go. Won't have to mess with VIN numbers or anything...that all sounds like a huge pain in the butt anyways
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I had totally forgotten about that, any clue how many miles you can do, and do they just do a visual check of your odo, if you know what I'm sayin' Then insurance probably wouldnt be too bad either....MWA HA HA HA

Any way to account for track milage versus road milage? I'm hoping you'd get about 2k miles a year. Plus I bet they care less about odo tinkering if you aren't planning on selling it, because fraud is such a loose term
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I had totally forgotten about that, any clue how many miles you can do, and do they just do a visual check of your odo, if you know what I'm sayin' Then insurance probably wouldnt be too bad either....MWA HA HA HA

Any way to account for track milage versus road milage? I'm hoping you'd get about 2k miles a year. Plus I bet they care less about odo tinkering if you aren't planning on selling it, because fraud is such a loose term
I thought that's what you were trying to do originally but with al the talk of VIN numbers and swaps and such I thought I might have been wrong.

Try doing a search cause I want to say that's where I learned about the registering and importing cars stuff...I'm sure someone says how many miles a year it can be driven..I think it's between 1-3k street driven (I want to say that doesn't include raced miles but again I'm not positive) not sure where in there it is...but I know that's what they do other wise all these cars that people import here to race or show wouldn't be here. Legal and less hassle to do it this way.
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If you try to call it a home built car like a kit car then it still needs to be inspected by the DMV/MVA to make sure it really is a kit car and not a actual production car that you put back together. Even it if enters to be used for show use there are fees and paperwork that has to be done at the time of entry and not sometime later when you get arround to it. The fact that the car is in the US already only means that it entered in a 40ft shipping container marked scrap metal. Which makes it a federal offense since you just went around the Customs laws as well as DOT and EPA laws. You could rebadge it but if you ever got caught or had an accident and the inspector from the insurance agency had half a brain then you would be paying all expenses out of pocket as well as looking at jail time for defrauding your insurance company. Why import a Supra or Civic when the cars are already here? Why risk your financial future to drive a Evo that any idiot will know is illegal the minute they see it driving down the road with a regular license plate on it.
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Just import the drivetrain and put it in a US car, it's the easiest and cheapest way to do this by far.
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I remember reading they only had to crash 4 skylines. Even if they did have to crash 50 which seems way to high. You konw they were all used broken down models. I wish some other company would import Skylines and slash the prices in half and stick it up motorex's......oh nevermind I dont' like how much they jack up the prices on the new ones...anwyas....

In washington there was a Civic that had been imported and was street legal and everything, came from Japan.
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Old 07-22-2002, 09:22 AM   #23
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Matt, I had a friend here in Michigan that bought Jeff Denmeade's old Lancer Evo V (the silver one that SCC tested against the 22B). He tried to get it registered in MI under the "hand assembled" provision. Most likely the provision that most of the much less safe things like dune-buggies, t-buckets, kit cars, etc. get registered under. He got denied because his car had more than 50% of it's parts from another single car, or something to that effect. Your best bet would be to research your state laws for registering a kit car type assembled vehicle. If you try to go the traditional route, it will cost ya. Things like 5 mph bumpers and safety glass in the windows come to mind, in addition to the emissions stuff. Check out what your state requires for kit cars to be registered as road legal. Good luck, let us know.

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Old 07-22-2002, 07:16 PM   #24
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So I called the MVD.

Horseless carriage reg is only for cars 25+ years old.
Kit car would need a certificate from the OEM of the kit.
Salavage title would need to be inspected.
Rebuild would need deeds for the parts, and would be inspected.

No such thing in my state as a show car registration.
I think it would be next to impossible to get away with the rebuild inspection. The Salvage title would be tricky as hell, and would take me finding a totaled version of the US equivalent, which wouldn't be too tough, but I'd have to be ultra thourough in the conversion of numbers.

keeping in mind I don't plan on driving it much, it will be a track, and occasional driver (be it a supra, gc8wrx, evo, or silvia)
What am I to do???

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You only want to go fast in a straight line and drive on the street occasionally? Then get a old V8 from the 60's or early 70's. Tons of torque and no emissions. Plus insurance isn't that bad. No need to worry about expensive ass parts either. The older the V8 the more cheap parts there are. We can laugh all we want at the V8 crowd but if you want to go fast in a straight line on a budget then that's the type of car to use. Oh yah and they love crappy gas!
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