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Old 06-29-2011, 10:21 AM   #101
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I'm beginning to enjoy this debate. It seems the division is clear enough that nobody will convince the other side otherwise. Most of us are all too arrogant to admit it could go one way or another.

The only way to really prove it is for someone who does the 3k oil changes to man up (just once) and try doing a UoA at 3000, change their oil... get a UoA at 4000, AND, if it's ok... repeat and do 5000... etc until 7500. Then, when the results come back, it'll be either/or.

I would like to believe VERY much that I know better than Subaru engineers, but I don't. But to me it's very common-sense that previously, oil changes were 3750 (with dino oil), and now, synthetics, which last-longer-period-end-of-fricking-story, should be allowed to run at LEAST longer than 3750 (let alone 3000). How far? Who knows, but Subaru says 7500, and unless someone can show me an actual instance of something breaking because of oil being changed at 7500, I'm sticking with it.

ALSO: I HIGHLY... HIGHLY doubt most people fall into the "severe" category. Sure, we might not fall into "optimum" category (so maybe a compromise - oil change at 5000-6000?), but there is no way that we're running the engine beyond standard parameters most of the time. Except for true track-only cars or something, at which point my speculation (yes, we're all just SPECULATING, I just happen to admit it) reaches its end.
Exactly, there is a reason why Subaru removed turbocharged vehicle from the "automatically in severe service" category. Now if you fall under the other cases of severe service, then by all means change it early.

I'll be posting my UOAs from 3,750 and 7,000 soon.
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Old 06-29-2011, 12:11 PM   #102
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Cool, thanks jonklein611.. I'm looking forward to that greatly. I'm coming up on 3750 for my UOA, though I suspect that will be a bad reading since it's the factory fill ("break-in" and what not).

I'm hoping that, if 7000 UOA comes back good, even if it doesn't completely change people's minds, at least it will educate them a bit, or it will actually prove us wrong. Either way, I'm hoping it's something solid, since I'm one that can be swayed one way or another based on facts/figures.
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Old 06-29-2011, 12:16 PM   #103
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how about the "your car will be a whole hell of a lot happier if you just change it every 3k theory."
Why not 2k? Why not 1k? The fresher the oil, the happier the car!

I got a used oil analysis, which said my TBN in the oil was still solid at 2.6 after being run for 6k miles, and the viscosity is still good. Why should I change my oil at half its functional life? Like any other wear part, you don't need to replace it until it's no longer effectively doing its job.
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Old 07-06-2011, 09:34 PM   #104
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3500 came back. 6000 mile one coming soon.


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Old 07-07-2011, 08:12 AM   #105
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I'm sorry but what is a UOA?
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Old 07-07-2011, 08:17 AM   #106
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Used Oil Analysis
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Old 07-12-2011, 01:17 AM   #107
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3500 came back. 6000 mile one coming soon.

You should start a new thread in the service section and see what kind of feedback you can get. Doesn't look bad for a so called garbage EC oil that so many rant and rave about here but I am no expert......
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Old 07-12-2011, 07:20 AM   #108
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How much does a UOA from blackstone cost? Edit: Google tells me $25.

I got billed for conventional oil at my last dealer change (2nd change, 7500 miles)--I called to complain and the service rep confirmed with the tech who did the change that he used full subaru synthetic. Apparently it was just a billing error (in my favor), but I'm now curious to see if they were telling the truth. Would be a good time to check out the oil performance as well at my 10,250 change. I assume they will be able to determine if it's synthetic or not?
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Old 07-12-2011, 09:04 AM   #109
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You should start a new thread in the service section and see what kind of feedback you can get. Doesn't look bad for a so called garbage EC oil that so many rant and rave about here but I am no expert......
I plan on it, but I'm waiting for my one @ 6k.
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Old 07-12-2011, 11:35 AM   #110
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You know, the saddest part is, that while there are a few who are trying to have an educated discussion, or are trying to learn or just see what happens... a few hard-headed ignorant people will ignore the numbers even if the next UoA comes back good, and say "3000 miles... period".

Even if every other person in the world does 7500 with a UoA to back it up, they will still say that... it's really... really depressing the more and more I think about it.
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Old 07-12-2011, 03:13 PM   #111
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What's depressing to me is Subaru can't even give me a straight answer. mysubaru.com for both dealer and manufacturer for 2011 WRX says every 3750 for my login. I spoke to 2 dealers, one said every 3750, the other said 3750, then 11275 . My 45k maintenance plan says every 3750. I question the dealer and they said that SOA keep changing it back and forth.

so, I called SOA yesterday and today. One said it's every 7500 (it only took them 5 hours to figure that out and get back to me), the other person said first is 3750, then 7500, then every 7500 after that.

SOA couldn't even agree on the colour of ****!
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Old 07-12-2011, 05:40 PM   #112
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The official subaru position on a 2011 WRX is to change the (synthetic) oil and filter once every 7,500 miles.

This is fact, and has been confirmed a bajillion times. People are arguing the viability of only changing your oil and filter this often, not Subaru's position.

Mysubaru.com is a pretty lame site that does not get updated very often.
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Old 07-13-2011, 07:00 AM   #113
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What's depressing to me is Subaru can't even give me a straight answer. mysubaru.com for both dealer and manufacturer for 2011 WRX says every 3750 for my login. I spoke to 2 dealers, one said every 3750, the other said 3750, then 11275 . My 45k maintenance plan says every 3750. I question the dealer and they said that SOA keep changing it back and forth.

so, I called SOA yesterday and today. One said it's every 7500 (it only took them 5 hours to figure that out and get back to me), the other person said first is 3750, then 7500, then every 7500 after that.

SOA couldn't even agree on the colour of ****!
Re check your mysubaru account. Your dealer scheduled maintenance may be different, but I've been on their tail about getting that fixed.

Click on the Manufacture Maintenance Schedule and see what it shows there (the 3,750 interval still shows up but when you click on it to expand it, they have removed the info from those slots).

If it's still wrong, scroll all the way down, click on "Contact Us" and change the category to "Website issues" and report the issue you are having.

You should have gotten the addendum in the mail and it should have this schedule in it:

https://www.subaru.com/content/downl...11SchedFed.pdf

The maximum interval is 7,500. That's final, however, your local dealer can "recommend" a shorter interval based on "prevailing local conditions".


Here's the response I got when I reported the problem for the third time:

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Thank you for taking the time to contact us. I hope that you have been enjoying your 2011 WRX.

Please know that the paragraph after this one, Jon, is not an excuse for the manufacturer's maintenance schedule tab is providing misinformation on your MySubaru site. There is absolutely no excuse for why that information has not been corrected. I have again notified (this time through my boss) our Marketing and IT Departments that this information is still incorrect. In my message to them, I advised that you contacted us in 9/2010 and again in 1/2011 with this concern.

You will never, ever be denied warranty coverage, Jon, because of the manufacturer's maintenance schedule tab not providing correct information. No Subaru dealer accesses an owner's MySubaru site to check on service history. Either maintenance services are performed at the dealership and the dealer would check their records. Or, the customer had maintenance services performed elsewhere and the customer would have to show paper copies of the maintenance services or parts purchases.

You perform maintenance services on your 2011 WRX as we recommend in the "Warranty and Maintenance" booklet suppliment you received and the emails we have communicated through, Jon, and you will not be denied warranty coverage because of a lack of proper maintenance.

I have one of our previous communications still open, Jon, so that I know to notify you when the MySubaru sites for 2011 turbo models is corrected for the manufacturer's maintenance tab.

Have a great holiday weekend!

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Old 08-26-2011, 09:39 PM   #114
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Random bump, I know...just wanted to post my UOA from my 11,250 change (been doing 3,750).

I asked if they could tell if it was conventional or synth since the dealer charged me for conventional on the last change but claimed they used synthetic.

Anyway, FYI:



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I might try going to 5,000 mi intervals per the suggestion. Thoughts?
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Old 08-26-2011, 09:56 PM   #115
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change at 4k ...... moderate driving
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Old 08-26-2011, 11:58 PM   #116
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and the local dealer had an sti with 8600 miles on it come in with a TOTALLY blown up motor....rod through the block......toast.....
still had a couple quarts of the break in oil left in it
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Old 08-27-2011, 12:55 AM   #117
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So that report is ok? I thought a shear down to a 5W20 was why people stopped using Mobil 1. Also what does high aluminum mean in oil?
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Old 08-27-2011, 01:01 AM   #118
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only a total and complete idiot would push a turbo'd subaru to 7k miles on anything but a UOA and a REAL non girly man HD oil....and there aint no 5w30 oils that aint girly man
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Old 08-27-2011, 08:40 AM   #119
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and the local dealer had an sti with 8600 miles on it come in with a TOTALLY blown up motor....rod through the block......toast.....
still had a couple quarts of the break in oil left in it
So someone left oil in the car for too long and didn't top it off and it burned 3 quarts of oil in that time? How is that relevant?
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Old 08-27-2011, 10:19 AM   #120
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So far I've changed my oil at 3,750 & 7,500 with Subaru oil and filter. I hope the results of the 6,000 mile interval are posted by the time I need another oil change
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Dear Pkluong,

Thank you for taking the time to contact Subaru of America, Inc. Congratulations on the purchase of your 2013 WRX.

For Subaru of America, Inc.'s maintenance recommendations for your 2013 WRX, please review the maintenance schedule on page 33 in the "Warranty and Maintenance" booklet. We are aware that the maintenance schedule on MySubaru sites for 2013 WRX models show 3,750 mile intervals. This has been brought to the attention of our Marketing Department.

We recommend maintenance services every 7,500 miles or 7.5 months, whichever comes first. Your dealer may recommend 3,750 mile intervals. If so, for all of the dealer maintenance recommendations in between ours, such as the 3,750 and 11,250 mile services, your dealer is always and only recommending an oil change. We recommend that you at least follow our minimum recommendations to keep all warranties intact and your vehicle in good operating condition.

Thank you for the opportunity to be of service.

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Old 05-03-2013, 03:56 PM   #122
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^ interesting for sure.

On any turbo Subaru, I'll stick to 4k, especially with autocross.

I can see if it was 50/50 city/highway like a normal commuter, you could get 7500 out of it. I'd rather not take the risk.

Later in an oil's life, it really starts coming down to the additives and how well it's holding up.
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You would want to use some common sense with how you drive as well. Back when I had my Audi with free oil changes at (from memory) 7500 mile intervals. I was doing a good amount of track time, so I would change it twice between the dealer changes. If I were getting in the car and driving 55 mph for an hour at a time, all the time, I'd likely go with the mfg recommendation.
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You would want to use some common sense ...
I stopped there. This is Nasioc, no one uses this "common sense" crap. People would rather never change the oil and then wonder why in the hell their motor blew up.
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I stopped there. This is Nasioc, no one uses this "common sense" crap. People would rather never change the oil and then wonder why in the hell their motor blew up.
You've been hanging out in the "Sometimes I hate..." thread too much.
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