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Old 12-13-2015, 05:10 PM   #1
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PLEASE ask around. Please share this. This is a copy/paste from my friend Sandy's Facebook status:

"Hey guys, I ask that you please share this is you are from the West Chester, PA area. Around 5:40-5:45AM on Sunday morning (December 13th) a driver in a Subaru ran up my neighbor's lawn and smashed into my Jeep Grand Cherokee that was sitting in my driveway. I have called the police, but since it was a hit and run not much can be done.


Neighboring witnesses have all stated it was a Subaru with the large wing. I also found mirror chunks in the street with part numbers that collaborate the story. The person or persons attempted to clean up the mess both in the street and my driveway, but did not collect all pieces. The pictures below are what I found to give you an idea on the color of the vehicle.


If you could please keep an eye out for a Subaru that may be missing or have a smashed front end please contact myself, or Officer Gorman from the West Chester PD. This is very upsetting to me that a fellow Subaru enthusiast would do such a thing and just run. Considering there are other Subarus in the driveway."
















She believes it's this color:




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Old 12-13-2015, 05:17 PM   #2
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Hey folks,

This is my Jeep, but I also own a Subaru. It was parked in the overflow lot, thank God. From the plastic pieces I was able to pick up this would be the color of the Subaru. I am not saying it is definitely a 2015-2016, but this is the color -


Judging by the pieces I swept up today the person would be looking to replace a headlight, fog light, mirror, and their bumper. A hit and run on my vehicle does suck, but what makes it worse is that someone felt the need to drive recklessly through a small neighborhood. If my Jeep was not parked there they would have hit our house. This person needs to be off the streets.

We asked neighbors and no one has a security camera outside and our neighbors are not car people. They were only able to tell us that it looked like my boyfriends Subaru (the white 2015 STi next to the Jeep) with the same wing. This is what leads me to believe it is a newer Impreza/STi.
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Old 12-13-2015, 05:21 PM   #3
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I hope you catch the scumbag.
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Damn, yeah I really hope you guys catch them.
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Old 12-13-2015, 06:27 PM   #5
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The Jeep isn't worth much. Contact your insurance, if you even carry comprehensive on it and want to fix it, and be done with it. Even if you find the car, you're never going to be able to prove definitively that the person did it. For such a trivial amount of damage, it's not worth your time. Seriously.
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Dang bro that sucks. Heres the issue though. Even if you find the car, who will get charged for it since it might be a felony for hit and run in PA? Sure, their insurance company may cover your damages but they can deny it since you have no proof besides word of mouth and what you found on site. Im not sure how pA works, so best of luck to you.
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Old 12-13-2015, 06:58 PM   #7
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Dang bro that sucks. Heres the issue though. Even if you find the car, who will get charged for it since it might be a felony for hit and run in PA? Sure, their insurance company may cover your damages but they can deny it since you have no proof besides word of mouth and what you found on site. Im not sure how pA works, so best of luck to you.
That's my point. Even if you find a car with damage on it, the owner is just going to say it wasn't me and it's going to be he said-she said. Hit and run without bodily injury is a simple misdemeanor anyway, so it's not like there's any serious consequences anyway.

Just claim it on your insurance and let them deal with it. That's what you pay them for.
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Old 12-13-2015, 07:46 PM   #8
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How would it be he said/she said if I have physical evidence? I have pieces of their mirror with part numbers as well as chunks of their bumper so I know what color the vehicle is. The cop that spoke with me said that hit and runs folks don't usually get closure, but considering it was a Subaru Impreza that did this was hoping for the largest Subaru community to help and keep an eye/ear out for me.

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI...7.043.000..HTM
3743. Accidents involving damage to attended vehicle or property.
(a) General rule.--The driver of any vehicle involved in an accident resulting only in damage to a vehicle or other property which is driven or attended by any person shall immediately stop the vehicle at the scene of the accident or as close thereto as possible but shall forthwith return to and in every event shall remain at the scene of the accident until he has fulfilled the requirements of section 3744 (relating to duty to give information and render aid). Every stop shall be made without obstructing traffic more than is necessary.
(b) Penalty.--Any person violating this section commits a misdemeanor of the third degree, punishable by a fine of $2,500 or imprisonment for not more than one year, or both.
(July 6, 1995, P.L.288, No.42, eff. 60 days)


Imprisonment for a year and/or $2,500 fine. Works for me.

Like you said, FaastLegacy the Jeep isn't worth much. Insurance will total this vehicle which I lose anyway I look at it. Was just hoping to out the scumbag that did this and maybe have them feel a little remorse to fess up what they did and at least pay for the damage.
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Old 12-13-2015, 10:11 PM   #10
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How would it be he said/she said if I have physical evidence? I have pieces of their mirror with part numbers as well as chunks of their bumper so I know what color the vehicle is. The cop that spoke with me said that hit and runs folks don't usually get closure, but considering it was a Subaru Impreza that did this was hoping for the largest Subaru community to help and keep an eye/ear out for me.
Yeah, except this isn't CSI and no department is going to waste significant time investigating this.

You know what the color of the car is and you claim it's a Subaru. Hypothetically speaking, even if you find the car and confront the owner, he's just going to say, "I ran into a guardrail" or "I ran into a parking block" or whatever excuse he's going to make and it's going to be his word against your's. You live in PA, so Subarus aren't exactly rare, and unless you have a part with a VIN on it, I think you're out of luck.

By your own admission, you don't have all of the pieces so even if you did find a similar colored car with damage, it's going to be speculation on your part.

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3743. Accidents involving damage to attended vehicle or property.
(a) General rule.--The driver of any vehicle involved in an accident resulting only in damage to a vehicle or other property which is driven or attended by any person shall immediately stop the vehicle at the scene of the accident or as close thereto as possible but shall forthwith return to and in every event shall remain at the scene of the accident until he has fulfilled the requirements of section 3744 (relating to duty to give information and render aid). Every stop shall be made without obstructing traffic more than is necessary.
(b) Penalty.--Any person violating this section commits a misdemeanor of the third degree, punishable by a fine of $2,500 or imprisonment for not more than one year, or both.
(July 6, 1995, P.L.288, No.42, eff. 60 days)


Imprisonment for a year and/or $2,500 fine. Works for me.


Why settle for that, I mean, let's go for the death penalty, amiright?

The conversation is a non-starter because you'd never get a conviction with the evidence you have, but assuming this guy isn't a career criminal, he'd get community service or probation. Most states aren't in the habit of putting people in prison for leaving the scene of a fender bender.

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Like you said, FaastLegacy the Jeep isn't worth much. Insurance will total this vehicle which I lose anyway I look at it. Was just hoping to out the scumbag that did this and maybe have them feel a little remorse to fess up what they did and at least pay for the damage.
Good luck. I think you're just a bit naive as to the way the justice system works.

Again, just claim it on your insurance and be on your way.
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Old 12-13-2015, 10:18 PM   #11
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Whether naive or upset I am sure if a Subaru smacked into one your vehicles that was parked in your own driveway, and ran off, you would have some kind of hope in either the justice system or humanity. Like I already stated I have lost either way, and have come to that conclusion. And I am not the only one claiming it's a Subaru, neighboring witnesses are.

I am not even asking for the death penalty, so no need for the over dramatics and satirical explanation on how a local Pennsylvania police department conducts their business.

But thank you for your input all the way from Arizona, outside of MAIC region, and Happy Holidays.

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Regardless if you find the person or not, you and your family were not hurt. Jeep's can be fixed but you can not.

Best of luck.

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How would it be he said/she said if I have physical evidence? I have pieces of their mirror with part numbers as well as chunks of their bumper so I know what color the vehicle is. The cop that spoke with me said that hit and runs folks don't usually get closure, but considering it was a Subaru Impreza that did this was hoping for the largest Subaru community to help and keep an eye/ear out for me.

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI...7.043.000..HTM
3743. Accidents involving damage to attended vehicle or property.
(a) General rule.--The driver of any vehicle involved in an accident resulting only in damage to a vehicle or other property which is driven or attended by any person shall immediately stop the vehicle at the scene of the accident or as close thereto as possible but shall forthwith return to and in every event shall remain at the scene of the accident until he has fulfilled the requirements of section 3744 (relating to duty to give information and render aid). Every stop shall be made without obstructing traffic more than is necessary.
(b) Penalty.--Any person violating this section commits a misdemeanor of the third degree, punishable by a fine of $2,500 or imprisonment for not more than one year, or both.
(July 6, 1995, P.L.288, No.42, eff. 60 days)


Imprisonment for a year and/or $2,500 fine. Works for me.

Like you said, FaastLegacy the Jeep isn't worth much. Insurance will total this vehicle which I lose anyway I look at it. Was just hoping to out the scumbag that did this and maybe have them feel a little remorse to fess up what they did and at least pay for the damage.
The other guy pretty much hit every nail on the head. Sure you have parts, serial numbers/part numbers etc but he can just deny it.

The article says driver, he can deny he was the driver and say someone stole it. Then what? Its he said she said with no real evidence and you can't put him behind the wheel. So you get shafted in the end.

It sucks, yes i know.

I wish you best of luck with everything.
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Old 12-15-2015, 10:26 AM   #14
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Even if nothing gets pushed through the courts, I think it could easily be a scenario of community shaming. We can all connect the dots, even if the person can deny it and be on their merry way. I think this is WAY worth pursuing.

What if this person was driving drunk? And what if they already have a record and similar incidents? Then I believe a case could be made as beyond reasonable doubt the suspect is guilty and held liable. For those of you just saying process the claim and continuing with your life, I half think you've done some stupid s**t like this in your life.

If someone is endangering people on the road, show some responsibility and at least make an effort to hold some one accountable like this BoostinChick is doing. As one great philosopher once said, "Com'on Man!"
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If the owner of the car didn't report the car stolen, then he's on the hook for the hit and run when you find him.

He's got a slim chance of beating it in court, but there is more than enough evidence to charge him and recoup some damages from his insurance company as well.
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Even if nothing gets pushed through the courts, I think it could easily be a scenario of community shaming. We can all connect the dots, even if the person can deny it and be on their merry way. I think this is WAY worth pursuing.

What if this person was driving drunk? And what if they already have a record and similar incidents? Then I believe a case could be made as beyond reasonable doubt the suspect is guilty and held liable. For those of you just saying process the claim and continuing with your life, I half think you've done some stupid s**t like this in your life.

If someone is endangering people on the road, show some responsibility and at least make an effort to hold some one accountable like this BoostinChick is doing. As one great philosopher once said, "Com'on Man!"
Good Luck with that. I say that because if the vehicle isn't reported stolen or if they didn't report it as a UUV (Unauthorized use of vehicle...someone you know took your car and you didn't let them...if their state has that) the owner will be off the hook. Someone has to place him or her behind the wheel of the car. This isn't CSI. This is real life. You can't prove he was driving drunk. If hers injured, cool but he can just say he fell or got hit by a door etc. The ****ty part with hit and runs is you're short in the end.

Someone hit my sisters car infront of my house. Did she cry about it? No. She was pissed but i got a set of case numbers for her and kept it moving. Plus, her mirror needed to be replaced anyways and the part were already on hand.
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Oh the interwebz.. the place where you can get legal advice, car advice, and porn usually all in the same thread..

All valid points.. If this person is found can there be anytihng done? Maybe.. Will it change the outcome probably not. Will it provide a level of satisfaction to boostinchick? the answer to that question is yes.. It will provide some level of gratification that at least they should be accountable or should have done the right thing.

This person went around the Cul-de-sac and either passed out or something and was going at a good rate of speed cause the amount of damage they caused is pretty bad. not only that how far the jeep moved in the driveway was a few feet after the impact. there were no skid marks no attempt to stop, nothing in the grass to indicate they tried to avoid impact. The only thing they did do was made sure they cleaned up there mess and tried to make sure they didn't leave any evidence of there car behind.

So maybe it is a losing legal battle and maybe it would not change the outcome. It would still bring some level of personal resolve to hold the individual accountable. The damage to her jeep is more than just replacing a mirror and from an insurance stand point the damage may even exceed the value of the car. As many of you guys and gals are on this site we all know the amount of sweat equity we put into our cars. Her jeep was no exception. So these are the things that can not be recovered nor recouped.

Its just a crappy situation to be in no matter what..
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Old 12-16-2015, 09:04 AM   #18
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Even if nothing gets pushed through the courts, I think it could easily be a scenario of community shaming. We can all connect the dots, even if the person can deny it and be on their merry way. I think this is WAY worth pursuing.

What if this person was driving drunk? And what if they already have a record and similar incidents? Then I believe a case could be made as beyond reasonable doubt the suspect is guilty and held liable. For those of you just saying process the claim and continuing with your life, I half think you've done some stupid s**t like this in your life.

If someone is endangering people on the road, show some responsibility and at least make an effort to hold some one accountable like this BoostinChick is doing. As one great philosopher once said, "Com'on Man!"
Spot on post. I am not trying to continue an argument here, as I agree with pretty much everyone's post. My expectation is not for my local PD to get all CSI and track this person down, or some elaborate man hunt is formed. Considering the pieces I have been able to put together of the events that morning, along with witness statements, I would like for this person to be found and held accountable on some level. Whether it's legally or morally. It's absolutely a stretch, but I would rather try then not try at all and just move on with my life. If you want to call it being naive, then so be it.

All I am asking is for help from the community. A community that my family is very much a part of owning and modding Subaru's, as well as participating in a lot of East coast events related to Subaru.

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So maybe it is a losing legal battle and maybe it would not change the outcome. It would still bring some level of personal resolve to hold the individual accountable. The damage to her jeep is more than just replacing a mirror and from an insurance stand point the damage may even exceed the value of the car. As many of you guys and gals are on this site we all know the amount of sweat equity we put into our cars. Her jeep was no exception. So these are the things that can not be recovered nor recouped.
Exactly my thoughts. Replacing a mirror and the possibility of a totaled vehicle are very different things. If this was just a mirror (or something minor) I would have moved on with my life and this post would have never been made. This isn't a Jeep forum, so I am not going to get into the details of the vehicle. Just wanted to point out that the Jeep I owned was very much a "Limited" and was only made in one year - 1998. Can it be replaced? Possibly, but they are very difficult to find.
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This isn't meant to be zen:

It's not worth your time, but it has to be done.

No self-respecting individual who works for what they have can just let something like this go, however the outlook is...well, not good. I would try too, just don't invest too much (time/stress).
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Just wanted to point out that the Jeep I owned was very much a "Limited" and was only made in one year - 1998.
Ok, I'm curious! Can you expand on this?
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Ok, I'm curious! Can you expand on this?
Expand what?

It was a "Limited" production Jeep only made in 1998.
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Expand what?

It was a "Limited" production Jeep only made in 1998.
LOL!

I love talking about my projects so -

It was the fastest SUV produced in 1998. These came with a 5.9L V8 Magnum Mopar 360 motor and D44a LSD. Also came with all the creature comforts like heated, calf-skin leather seats, climate control, and body accents that are 5.9 specific (hood louvers, grill, rocker panels, etc.). So, I can't just run to the junk yard and replace what got damaged with any Grand Cherokee. Has to be from another 5.9L Limited model, which being in the salt belt, adds another level of difficulty finding close to rust free parts.

This one has simple bolt-ons done to it (headers, 3" exhaust, blah blah blah), but was planning to upgrade the cam, aluminum heads with beefier valve train, and of course boost.

tl;dr: 1998 Jeep Grand Cherokee 5.9L Limited = OG SRT

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Obviously not going to be fun paying for it, but that could probably be fixed.

You can likely weld in a new rocker and pick up a used door.

It's a nice jeep. Somebody should save it from getting hacked into a trail rig.
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Obviously not going to be fun paying for it, but that could probably be fixed.

You can likely weld in a new rocker and pick up a used door.

It's a nice jeep. Somebody should save it from getting hacked into a trail rig.
I appreciate it, man. Lots of sweat and blood equity in all my vehicles. You are correct, new rocker panel to be welded, floor is buckled so will either need to be cut out or put on the rack.

I did file a claim with my insurance. Now the wait to see whether or not they will total it. Can't believe the scum bag will get away with it. Really hope karma catches up to them.
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LOL!

I love talking about my projects so -

It was the fastest SUV produced in 1998. These came with a 5.9L V8 Magnum Mopar 360 motor and D44a LSD. Also came with all the creature comforts like heated, calf-skin leather seats, climate control, and body accents that are 5.9 specific (hood louvers, grill, rocker panels, etc.). So, I can't just run to the junk yard and replace what got damaged with any Grand Cherokee. Has to be from another 5.9L Limited model, which being in the salt belt, adds another level of difficulty finding close to rust free parts.

This one has simple bolt-ons done to it (headers, 3" exhaust, blah blah blah), but was planning to upgrade the cam, aluminum heads with beefier valve train, and of course boost.

tl;dr: 1998 Jeep Grand Cherokee 5.9L Limited = OG SRT
Damnnnn didnt know that had a 5.9L in it!

Indeed it is an OG SRT
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