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Old 05-26-2011, 11:24 AM   #1
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Old 05-26-2011, 11:30 AM   #2
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Posting so I can watch video from home later.

I've only had one instructor I wasn't pleased with. Oddly enough, it was one I could have had a great opportunity to learn from as he also drove an Evo and was very experienced. Unfortunately, he took it upon himself to critique my car before we even got in grid. Seriously, you're going to tell me I have too much power with just bolt ons? And you don't like my shifter? If he didn't come so close to the VW in front of me, I would have laughed at him for stalling when trying to move in grid. Other than that, I've had really friendly and super helpful instructors with both COM and NASA.
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Old 05-26-2011, 02:44 PM   #3
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Wow.

That is the type of instructor that would make me not want to come back to a track day.
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Old 05-26-2011, 02:46 PM   #4
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Was this the one that happened last year with a MS3?
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Old 05-26-2011, 03:05 PM   #5
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Was this the one that happened last year with a MS3?
Based on this being the same title:

http://www.mazdaspeeders.com/index.php?topic=166832.0

I'd say yes. Old news. REX, I am disappoint. I still haven't seen it because no youtube at work so if I'm wrong, suck it Trebek!
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Old 05-26-2011, 03:24 PM   #6
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Based on this being the same title:

http://www.mazdaspeeders.com/index.php?topic=166832.0

I'd say yes. Old news. REX, I am disappoint. I still haven't seen it because no youtube at work so if I'm wrong, suck it Trebek!
Hasn't been posted here right? I should be safe.
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Old 05-26-2011, 03:56 PM   #7
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Well I had not seen this before, that instructor was a joke. The whole point you take your car to a HPDE is to improve. Ok so the guys lines were not perfect and maybe some of his shifts were rough.... that's why he has an instructor in the passenger seat, to provide constructive feedback and guidance.
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Old 05-26-2011, 11:32 PM   #8
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dude welcome to last year!
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Old 05-27-2011, 12:14 AM   #9
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Well I had not seen this before, that instructor was a joke. The whole point you take your car to a HPDE is to improve. Ok so the guys lines were not perfect and maybe some of his shifts were rough.... that's why he has an instructor in the passenger seat, to provide constructive feedback and guidance.
i like how the "instructor" comments on missing the line completely yet didn't give his student a single bit of advice the whole lap the best part is the "instructor" foreshadowing the end by yelling "slow down *******" before getting on the track
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Old 05-27-2011, 08:53 AM   #10
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He didn't even state any reason why he wanted to get out of the car. Not one piece advice just insults seemed like he had a chip on his shoulder from the get go. Wonder if he drives a miata?
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Old 05-27-2011, 12:15 PM   #11
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I haven't seen this before. I think I would have gotten out and punched the "instructor" in the balls. What a dick. The only thing resembling advice was "they didn't teach you about smoothness?" Which group was this with?
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Maybe I missed something.....he didn't seem that bad? Maybe I need titian it up louder but all I heard was "did anyone ever tell you about smooth?" an "take me to hot pita I want to get out of the car".

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Old 05-28-2011, 10:13 AM   #13
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Wow... Just wow. I have yet to do a HPDE with an instructor, but if I have one like this I hope I have it all on video...
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hospital, he was making a joke about the jerky driving hurting his neck and back.
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Maybe I missed something.....he didn't seem that bad? Maybe I need titian it up louder but all I heard was "did anyone ever tell you about smooth?" an "take me to hot pita I want to get out of the car".

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It may just be me, but I'm pretty sure he was saying "Take me to the hot pit." As in take me to pitlane.
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It may just be me, but I'm pretty sure he was saying "Take me to the hot pit." As in take me to pitlane.
That's what I was thinking, too...
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I thought he said, "hot pocket"


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It may just be me, but I'm pretty sure he was saying "Take me to the hot pit." As in take me to pitlane.
Oops I meant to type hot PITS. I thought he said that too,
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Old 05-30-2011, 11:53 PM   #20
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i like how the "instructor" comments on missing the line completely yet didn't give his student a single bit of advice the whole lap the best part is the "instructor" foreshadowing the end by yelling "slow down *******" before getting on the track
Yeah, a instructor wouldn't say for a first time driver doing a HPDE: "I'm just going to let you do a lap first then we'll talk"
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Wow... Just wow. I have yet to do a HPDE with an instructor, but if I have one like this I hope I have it all on video...
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Well I had not seen this before, that instructor was a joke. The whole point you take your car to a HPDE is to improve. Ok so the guys lines were not perfect and maybe some of his shifts were rough.... that's why he has an instructor in the passenger seat, to provide constructive feedback and guidance.
I don't understand why everybody has their panties in a bunch over that video. True, Vizzini was a terrible instructor, but maybe this was his first time instructing. Its not like he was yelling obscenities or even being disrespectful to the student. Obviously the driver was a beginner, even so, he had some very early apexes (really bad habit) and REALLY jerky inputs (the worst habit). Add up all the things that can go wrong on a good day, with this guys driving skill, stuff them all in a car that is so smart it thinks there's ice when the temp is 95 ...

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showt...otalled-my-MS3

http://www.mazda3forums.com/index.php?topic=86162.0

...and what do you get? Well if your Vizzini, you GTFO!

Track driving is dangerous. No one out there should do anything they feel is unsafe.

Here is a little story from TWS 5/22/11:


So there is a guy that drives a MS3 that I've run a couple track weekends with. I guess you could say we're friendly rivals. I was a good bit faster than him the first time we ran together. This was mostly due to the fact that I'd been AXing for 6 months and modding my car for 3 years. Skill wise we have always been very closely matched. The first time @ MSR Houston, he chased me all weekend. He got to within sniffing distance once or twice after a straight, but I'd dust him going through the slower sections. I had never been to TWS before, but he had. I saw him in my mirror & recognized who it was. I waived him by & the first thing I saw were new tires, rims, and swaybars. When we got back to grid, I went over to talk to him. First words, "I finally got you". He was so damn happy. Hell I was happy for him. What I came to learn Sunday was that aggression has a lot to do with lap times. I was letting 'em hang @ HMSR, but he was being WAY more aggressive than me @ TWS. We all have to have the right level of aggression out there. To illustrate how different our thought processes were:

The MS3 guy went up the bank and came down the hill at the transition front banked straight to the flat infield for turns 1 & 2, braking on the other side. His line was redonkulously faster than mine.

I was braking before & after it. Once I got comfortable with the track and in the grove, My instructor asked me if I wanted to try doing all my braking on the other side. I politely declined.

Three laps later, MS3 guy was coming down the hill just like he had been doing all weekend, only this time when he hit his brakes the pedal went to the floor. Luckily he didn't wreck, and his car wasn't damaged. He got REALLY lucky though.

I told my instructor that 1-2 would be the last turns that I worry about. There is no sense in getting 1-2 as fast as possible when I was still missing apex's elsewhere. The brakes could fail, or more likely I could fail... and for what? So I could +1 MS3 guy?

****ty or not, Vizzini did the right thing to get that kid another instructor. They were both better off for it.
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I don't understand why everybody has their panties in a bunch over that video. True, Vizzini was a terrible instructor, but maybe this was his first time instructing. Its not like he was yelling obscenities or even being disrespectful to the student. Obviously the driver was a beginner, even so, he had some very early apexes (really bad habit) and REALLY jerky inputs (the worst habit). Add up all the things that can go wrong on a good day, with this guys driving skill, stuff them all in a car that is so smart it thinks there's ice when the temp is 95 ...

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showt...otalled-my-MS3

http://www.mazda3forums.com/index.php?topic=86162.0

...and what do you get? Well if your Vizzini, you GTFO!

Track driving is dangerous. No one out there should do anything they feel is unsafe.
I understand where you're coming from, but there's better (I suppose "more mature/mutually understandable/less offensive") ways of doing it. Instead of talking down to his jerkiness and the bad lines, he could've offered constructive criticism, then explained that he was uncomfortable and he'd like the driver to return to the pit as soon as possible. Sure, the driver would be anxious ("What'd I do wrong...? Do I suck that bad..." etc) after hearing this, but at least the instructor was respectful in how he critiqued his driving.
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Here is a little story from TWS 5/22/11:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HNx9kPLZ68

So there is a guy that drives a MS3 that I've run a couple track weekends with. I guess you could say we're friendly rivals. I was a good bit faster than him the first time we ran together. This was mostly due to the fact that I'd been AXing for 6 months and modding my car for 3 years. Skill wise we have always been very closely matched. The first time @ MSR Houston, he chased me all weekend. He got to within sniffing distance once or twice after a straight, but I'd dust him going through the slower sections. I had never been to TWS before, but he had. I saw him in my mirror & recognized who it was. I waived him by & the first thing I saw were new tires, rims, and swaybars. When we got back to grid, I went over to talk to him. First words, "I finally got you". He was so damn happy. Hell I was happy for him. What I came to learn Sunday was that aggression has a lot to do with lap times. I was letting 'em hang @ HMSR, but he was being WAY more aggressive than me @ TWS. We all have to have the right level of aggression out there. To illustrate how different our thought processes were:

The MS3 guy went up the bank and came down the hill at the transition front banked straight to the flat infield for turns 1 & 2, braking on the other side. His line was redonkulously faster than mine.

I was braking before & after it. Once I got comfortable with the track and in the grove, My instructor asked me if I wanted to try doing all my braking on the other side. I politely declined.

Three laps later, MS3 guy was coming down the hill just like he had been doing all weekend, only this time when he hit his brakes the pedal went to the floor. Luckily he didn't wreck, and his car wasn't damaged. He got REALLY lucky though.

I told my instructor that 1-2 would be the last turns that I worry about. There is no sense in getting 1-2 as fast as possible when I was still missing apex's elsewhere. The brakes could fail, or more likely I could fail... and for what? So I could +1 MS3 guy?
That story was awesome. No idea what it has to do with this thread, but it was an awesome story!
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I understand where you're coming from, but there's better (I suppose "more mature/mutually understandable/less offensive") ways of doing it. Instead of talking down to his jerkiness and the bad lines, he could've offered constructive criticism, then explained that he was uncomfortable and he'd like the driver to return to the pit as soon as possible. Sure, the driver would be anxious ("What'd I do wrong...? Do I suck that bad..." etc) after hearing this, but at least the instructor was respectful in how he critiqued his driving.
I just re watched that video on a full sized monitor and I have to admit his driving looked WAY better than it did on my phone. He had been there before. Maybe he was in a higher run group than instructor thought he should be. Maybe that instructor has been off track in a Speed 3 before. Maybe it was that time of the month. He made the call, and probably cost the guy a session. The worst thing he could have done was stay in that car. I might agree with firing him, but not with vilifying him.

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That story was awesome. No idea what it has to do with this thread, but it was an awesome story!
Thanks.

In summary:
- Speed 3 = Doom buggy if you don't disconnect the vac lines on the brake calipers that do the "Ice Braking"
-A lot of Speed 3 owners don't know what "Ice Braking" is, how it works, how you make it stop or why you should.
-If you happen to be walking by a Speed 3 in the paddock...maybe mention this phenomenon to the driver.

If it happens at the wrong place & time even an expert driver can get hung out to dry. When it happens to somebody that isn't good enough to boil their brake fluid...well...those odds just aren't nearly as good.

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I just re watched that video on a full sized monitor and I have to admit his driving looked WAY better than it did on my phone. He had been there before. Maybe he was in a higher run group than instructor thought he should be. Maybe that instructor has been off track in a Speed 3 before. Maybe it was that time of the month. He made the call, and probably cost the guy a session. The worst thing he could have done was stay in that car. I might agree with firing him, but not with vilifying him.
I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree, then.

However, I don't see how you're alright with him being fired, as opposed to him being viewed as a jackass. I'd much rather be a jackass and still have a job, even if it was on the side or not my main source of income.
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