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Old 05-29-2011, 03:12 PM   #26
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Uh oh...don't tell me we have another effed with Mustang dyno...

Lets see some road dyno logs and plots...
I'm not seeing how these numbers are possible with the ID1000 especially at 11.4 and on a mustang dyno.

It's pretty irritating that bigger numbers on a Mustang dyno are just a click away... CF and temp... Back when my car made 360whp on a mustang the tuner went hey watch this and boom made 420whp
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Old 05-29-2011, 03:34 PM   #27
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I'm not seeing how these numbers are possible with the ID1000 especially at 11.4 and on a mustang dyno.

It's pretty irritating that bigger numbers on a Mustang dyno are just a click away... CF and temp... Back when my car made 360whp on a mustang the tuner went hey watch this and boom made 420whp
Yes, it is very annoying...
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Old 05-29-2011, 04:25 PM   #28
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^^^ yea..something aint right, I have id1000's with my base pressure set at 53psi and I'm at 100% duty cycle on e78 at about 6800rpm, 11.7af only making right around 340whp dyno dynamics..

Btw: tdo6sl-2 20g 8cm 23psi
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Something is way off here. The vf48 should be making at least 320-330whp on e85 and there's no way you're pushing 450whp on ID1000's on E85 at stock pressure. Not to mention the walbro wouldn't keep up with that flow either. None of this adds up.

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I'm not seeing how these numbers are possible with the ID1000 especially at 11.4 and on a mustang dyno.

It's pretty irritating that bigger numbers on a Mustang dyno are just a click away... CF and temp... Back when my car made 360whp on a mustang the tuner went hey watch this and boom made 420whp
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Yes, it is very annoying...
..... same as post 5 and 12 haha
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Old 05-29-2011, 04:33 PM   #29
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Something is way off here. The vf48 should be making at least 320-330whp on e85 and there's no way you're pushing 450whp on ID1000's on E85 at stock pressure. Not to mention the walbro wouldn't keep up with that flow either. None of this adds up.

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On the airboy my ID1000's were maxed out at 19 psi at 103% IDC. I made 419 on the airboy dyno by way of timing.

It is possible to make 450 on ID1000's on e85, I've seen it many times before.

Considering the top two factors, 450 is definitely achievable on this setup, on a dynojet type dyno.

As far as the 280whp, rediculous...


I've had the opportunity to be on a mustang dyno, fresh out of the box (so to speak).

vf43 07 STi, c16, made 304 and trapped 114.xx


280 is way too low, but makes sense if conservatively tuned on a true, untampered mustang dyno.

450, inflated for sure. If the 20g makes 450 maxed out, the vf will make 385 tapering to 350.

I do not only tune on one dyno, so i know how they generally read and where the cool "contorl X" factor is on many of them

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Old 05-29-2011, 05:32 PM   #30
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So much hate on the damn dyno numbers. I don't get it anymore. Every single dyno can be tampered with. Some much much easier then others. Every single thread on here for the past 2yrs seems to always have someone posting.. " the dyno reads high, the dyno reads low, the dyno this, the dyno that" I don't think AMS has to prove anything to anyone, especially on here. They have set record after record in all sorts of motorsports and are a leading shop in the US. IMO you guys need to give the dyno wars a rest already.

I'm sure this car rips and will trap easily into the 120s.
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Old 05-29-2011, 07:28 PM   #31
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^yup I agree
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Old 05-29-2011, 07:42 PM   #32
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So much hate on the damn dyno numbers. I don't get it anymore. Every single dyno can be tampered with. Some much much easier then others. Every single thread on here for the past 2yrs seems to always have someone posting.. " the dyno reads high, the dyno reads low, the dyno this, the dyno that" I don't think AMS has to prove anything to anyone, especially on here. They have set record after record in all sorts of motorsports and are a leading shop in the US. IMO you guys need to give the dyno wars a rest already.

I'm sure this car rips and will trap easily into the 120s.
This is why i don't post on here, its the same thing on evo m.
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Old 05-29-2011, 08:50 PM   #33
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So much hate on the damn dyno numbers. I don't get it anymore. Every single dyno can be tampered with. Some much much easier then others. Every single thread on here for the past 2yrs seems to always have someone posting.. " the dyno reads high, the dyno reads low, the dyno this, the dyno that" I don't think AMS has to prove anything to anyone, especially on here. They have set record after record in all sorts of motorsports and are a leading shop in the US. IMO you guys need to give the dyno wars a rest already.

I'm sure this car rips and will trap easily into the 120s.
Same reason I don't post dyno #'s and only ET's and trap speeds.
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Old 05-30-2011, 12:40 AM   #34
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So much hate on the damn dyno numbers. I don't get it anymore. Every single dyno can be tampered with. Some much much easier then others. Every single thread on here for the past 2yrs seems to always have someone posting.. " the dyno reads high, the dyno reads low, the dyno this, the dyno that" I don't think AMS has to prove anything to anyone, especially on here. They have set record after record in all sorts of motorsports and are a leading shop in the US. IMO you guys need to give the dyno wars a rest already.

I'm sure this car rips and will trap easily into the 120s.
I agree that it can get out of hand at times, but when a company posts an extremely low baseline and an extremely high test run on the same dyno, it raises a red flag. If companies stopped messing with their numbers, people would stop having issues with them. I don't care if a dyno reads low or high as long as it's kept consistent. But don't post a 280whp e85 VF and a 450whp e85 20g on 1000cc injectors on the same chart! It's just silly and asking for trouble IMO.

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Old 05-30-2011, 01:10 AM   #35
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damn i wish my graph looked like this one.....
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Old 05-30-2011, 02:19 AM   #36
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This is why i don't post on here, its the same thing on evo m.
Yea EVOM is getting there... but the fast car to big mouth slow car poster is much lower.

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Same reason I don't post dyno #'s and only ET's and trap speeds.
Yea, I stopped posting DYNO numbers a while ago too.. and if a number gets posted, its backed up with a mph/et

Seems like the guys that actually go fast, dont worry much about posting up dyno sheets anymore.

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I agree that it can get out of hand at times, but when a company posts an extremely low baseline and an extremely high test run on the same dyno, it raises a red flag. If companies stopped messing with their numbers, people would stop having issues with them. I don't care if a dyno reads low or high as long as it's kept consistent. But don't post a 280whp e85 VF and a 450whp e85 20g on 1000cc injectors on the same chart! It's just silly and asking for trouble IMO.

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Not to put AMS on a pedestal, but its AMS... The guys go fast in every platform they build. I see the low/high thing... but its not like they go out of there way to post 10000 dyno sheets in here and never actual back anything up. IMO ... They get a free pass on this one.

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Old 05-30-2011, 12:46 PM   #37
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IMO the fact that they're a "high profile" company makes it even worse that they post these kinda of skewed results. It just sets a bad example for everyone else.

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Old 05-30-2011, 08:19 PM   #38
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So their numbers are flawed because the ID1000's are making more power then other people have reported making and cause the stock turbo didn't perform like all the other "fastest stock vf39/vf48, vf whatever?

Comical.
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Old 05-31-2011, 01:07 PM   #39
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Comical.
Well, it is nasioc after all

It's AMS, I don't think they need to try and prove anything to anyone. We know they can make fast cars...I still thing they just play around the edge instead of diving into the deep end when it comes to Subarus but they know their stuff either way.
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Old 05-31-2011, 08:48 PM   #40
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If this is the same car I think it is, then I have done a lot of work to it.
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Old 05-31-2011, 09:46 PM   #41
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I was just about to trade my turbo for a bigger one but then i found this. Im making 367whp with my 20gXT on 93oct with a fully built hybrid motor with 272cams, 100mm pistons and 860cc injectors. This gives my hope of reaching 400whp and 400wtq on this turbo on e85. I just need to step my transmission game up from this stock stuff then back to TopSpeed Atlanta for tuning!
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Old 06-04-2011, 08:56 PM   #42
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eq tuning.....im not sure why it says 280 stock.....but im the car owner and it was 330 whp and 291 wtq on my stock e85 setup.....i still have the same 1000cc injectors with a built motor , k 1 crank and k1 h beam rods cp 9 to 1 pistons behive springs and ti retainers , ewg into a custom supertrap mufler on ewg , alum. driveshaft , ast 5200s and much much more....just thought i would clear this up....no manley parts....sorry. also to those who think "things dont add up" well , the wins are adding up so thanks to the 1st class engine building (Tim) and 1st class tuning (Mitch) and all the hours with Ty on the phone we have managed to build an amazing setup. Im very pleased with the build.....here we come Lincoln.......fyi im posting this from a friends account if it matters.
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Old 06-04-2011, 09:02 PM   #43
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by the way we will post some logs soon on this car.....thanks for all the interest
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Old 06-04-2011, 09:13 PM   #44
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by the way we will post some logs soon on this car.....thanks for all the interest
Cool man, post a 4th gear pull from 2000rpm to redline, use Romrider. We just need your time stamp and rpm, if you want you can post your boost, timing and AFR.
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Old 06-04-2011, 09:44 PM   #45
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this is a 20GXT, this is NOT a regular 20G. Makes a difference.

Run the car at the track and then you can figure it out for yourselves. My TD06SL2 20G 8cm only made like 330ish uncorrected (about 360whp corrected) on our local Mustang dyno... but I run 11.75@116mph (800feet elevation) on my JDM 6spd.

However.... nice numbers on WOT pull.
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Old 07-02-2011, 04:24 PM   #46
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IMO the fact that they're a "high profile" company makes it even worse that they post these kinda of skewed results. It just sets a bad example for everyone else. Whah Whah Whah It can't be true.

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I drove this car when it was stock on E85. And I have seen this thing in action recently. Its ****ING amazing. Period.
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Old 07-02-2011, 05:05 PM   #47
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Why go with the 7cm housing?
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Old 07-03-2011, 05:06 PM   #48
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Why go with the 7cm housing?
Best of both worlds. Small exhaust housing means quick spool/response. EWG means no choking exhaust flow at the top end.
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Old 07-03-2011, 10:10 PM   #49
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I am running a stock block 08 STi with AMS 750r and AMS FMIC. Using AMR headers. TVG delete. 3" TBE. Making 370hp on a dyno dynamics at Forged Performance.
I use the car for DD and HPDE run class 2 and driven hard.
The car does not reach full boost 21 psi until 4200 rpm.
I need quicker spool for track work. Ideally full boost near 3500 rpm.
I have no plans to run race gas. I plan to stick with 93oct pump gas.
I will eventually add some forged pistons and considering a 2.7 liter stroker kit to help spool. (where would the 750r spool with a 2.7l kit?)
While the engine is out I was going to larger valves.
What do you think about cams?

What turbo could I change to spool at 3500 rpm and make at least 380 hp on 93 pump for the track?

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Old 07-03-2011, 10:47 PM   #50
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a 20g would be the compromise you're looking for i think but its just barely going to miss all of those goals...

this is one of those scenarios where you have 3 items pick 2

93
Full boost at 3500
or 380hp

you could do the bottom 2 with e85 and a 20g

you could do the first and last with a gt30r and be 3800 ish on boost depending on the tune

using smaller headers would help some too...
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