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Old 01-30-2013, 11:43 AM   #676
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Carbon composite brakes are nice.
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Old 01-30-2013, 12:16 PM   #677
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^^^And who makes carbon ceramic brakes for our cars??? Well any manufacture will make them for around 20-30 grand, but yes they are nice.
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Old 01-30-2013, 12:46 PM   #678
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Arthur running RCA wire next to power wire is no good
Learned that mistake in past
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Old 01-30-2013, 01:09 PM   #679
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^^What would those wires being close affect? I'm pretty sure both of mine were ran along the same side..
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Old 01-30-2013, 01:36 PM   #680
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Lol project mu, more like pee you. Crap brakes.


Anyway thats interesting. As my local track (road america elkhart lake wisconsin) is a known brake killer. Main straight cars can easily touch 180 down to like what, 40? 50? Into turn 1.

Might have to rethink my decision/plan then. It would have to be ap racing or brembo for sure.

The moat attractive part about the ap kit is still the initial price and price of pads and rotors. But if I even fade those in like 2 seconds theres no point
Haha reminds me of when people mention endless brakes and one guy mentioned "endless bbk, endless braking distance"

Yeah I'll let you know about the brembo kit as soon as I get more info on it. I initially thought about stoptech but heard of people burning through rotors pretty quick (heat cracking). AP racing is a good kit and i'm sure its a major improvement over the stock sti brembos but it's still not good enough for the high power/speed guys.
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Old 01-30-2013, 01:41 PM   #681
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Learned that mistake in past
Makes sense. Although my power wire goes through/by so many things the last thing I'm worried about is frying my amp/deck.

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^^What would those wires being close affect? I'm pretty sure both of mine were ran along the same side..
I'm not familiar with the standards of automotive wiring but for house wiring for example if you were to run a 240v wire in a pipe outside to the garage or something, you can have a low voltage wire like an ethernet cable running in the same pipe. Just in case power decides to jump over to the ethernet cable and fry/kill you. I'm no electrician but that's how I remember it.
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Old 01-30-2013, 02:23 PM   #682
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What about Alcon?

I was considering Alcon, AP, Brembo and Stoptech. However I ended up ordering the Stoptechs because of performance, availability, and price. I did want Alcons with TI pistons real bad thow.
I did take a look at the Alcon kit. Not a lot of people using them and the ones that do don't say much so I don't know... don't see a lot of people running Alcon at the local tracks either. Replacement parts are pretty hard to find too. List price is around $340 for each replacement rotor ring.

Although I just found out how much a brembo 350x34 type 3 ring cost.... list price is $490 each!!! I wonder how much a hook up price is. Might have to reconsider the stoptech kit if the brembo 350x34mm rotors don't last twice as long as the competition.

Time to browse the porsche forums. Anyone here know anyone that has experience with the 350x34mm type 3 rotors? Might have to ask the guys at LIC motorsports.
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Old 01-30-2013, 03:19 PM   #683
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I'm not familiar with the standards of automotive wiring but for house wiring for example if you were to run a 240v wire in a pipe outside to the garage or something, you can have a low voltage wire like an ethernet cable running in the same pipe. Just in case power decides to jump over to the ethernet cable and fry/kill you. I'm no electrician but that's how I remember it.
Interesting, I think I read a while ago that the power wire can cause interference in the RCA cable and therefore lessen the amp/sub's sound quality or add static? The audio shop that installed my deck and amp was very knowledgable, but they ran the two cables side by side to the trunk..
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Old 01-30-2013, 05:16 PM   #684
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Makes sense. Although my power wire goes through/by so many things the last thing I'm worried about is frying my amp/deck.


I'm not familiar with the standards of automotive wiring but for house wiring for example if you were to run a 240v wire in a pipe outside to the garage or something, you can have a low voltage wire like an ethernet cable running in the same pipe. Just in case power decides to jump over to the ethernet cable and fry/kill you. I'm no electrician but that's how I remember it.
lol it wont do that, the only thing u get is lots of static/wine noise from speakers
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Old 01-30-2013, 05:47 PM   #685
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Lol I'm arguing with some guy that says the sti brembos are such a huge stopping distance improvement over stock wrx brakes and I'm like no.... Fade yes. But stopping distance no. That's the tires job lol
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Old 01-30-2013, 06:02 PM   #686
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Interesting, I think I read a while ago that the power wire can cause interference in the RCA cable and therefore lessen the amp/sub's sound quality or add static? The audio shop that installed my deck and amp was very knowledgable, but they ran the two cables side by side to the trunk..
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lol it wont do that, the only thing u get is lots of static/wine noise from speakers
Guess you guys are right. Don't know what I was thinking

But never heard of any static so far... guess you're using ****ty unshielded cables jkjk
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Old 01-30-2013, 06:09 PM   #687
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I ditched the Brembos for the ST-60's with Raybestos ST47 pads and have had great results. My rotors are slightly grooved and have small heat cracks after a seson of TA at Miller Motorsports Park. Im guessing I can get atleast another half a seson or more out of the rotors.
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Old 01-30-2013, 06:35 PM   #688
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Cliff notes on brakes so far. Got some more info from Noah at LIC.

Basically the rotors cost $450 each + around $100 in hardware. So for a rotor ring swap with the 350x34mm brembo type 3 rotors, it will be around $1000.

On their TA car, with over a little over a years racing time they used 2 sets of rotor rings. They themselves thought they would last longer. However, they did put a lot of abuse through it.

"I think in race conditions...its just how it goes. I have never used the trophy kit personally but I run the basic kit on a ton of cars and not a fan of their rotors to be honest. I have gotten warped rotors right out of the box (on my own car) and they just dont last long from my experience. I went brembo on our race car as they have the best rotors in the world...something about what they do, its just better.

As mentioned before, I have never warped a Brembo 350x34 rotor, they have never split (although have stress cracked) but I do still lean towards Brembo vs. others."

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Best rotors
Expensive $1000 a set
Won't have to worry about vibration
Thick brake pads? (25mm?)
Cheap brake pads? (Still getting more info)
$3900 MSRP
Hook up price???

Stoptech:
Ok rotors
Cheap <$500 a set
May have to worry about vibration
Will have to check after every session for cracks
Regular thickness 18mm pads
Relatively expensive pads $400+
$3900 MSRP
Can find for around $3100

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Old 01-30-2013, 10:18 PM   #689
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Have you looked at a custom ap racing bbk???
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Have you looked at a custom ap racing bbk???
Don't know who I can contact about that?

3-4 week order time on the brembo kit if i pay now.... Hrmmm
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Old 01-31-2013, 07:46 AM   #691
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Don't know who I can contact about that?

3-4 week order time on the brembo kit if i pay now.... Hrmmm
Try Roger Clark MS for custom AP Racing bbk.
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Try Roger Clark MS for custom AP Racing bbk.
The distance wouldn't be worth it.



I wouldn't really even begin to know. The easy part is buying calipers and rotors. The hard part is having a bracket made. I would try the motorsports section or a shop that has the power to machine parts like Vermont sports car etc
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Another off topic question kinda, those an fittings you use are the push lock ones right? You don't have any hose clamps on them for the fuel lines? Is that safe?
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Arthur can you do 3d gear pull and import that into virtual dyno, just trying to see if it reads vipec csv's correctly. Mine shows me max whp 430 ~ 460 with smoothing on 5 little strange why so low.

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The distance wouldn't be worth it.

I wouldn't really even begin to know. The easy part is buying calipers and rotors. The hard part is having a bracket made. I would try the motorsports section or a shop that has the power to machine parts like Vermont sports car etc
I took a look at the kits they are using now. Pretty much ap racing formula bbk's. I am taking another look into the stoptech kits because their replacement rotor rings are pretty cheap. I can replace them 2 to 1 vs brembo. I got details on the pads for the brembo kit. I've been told the caliper is actually an old nascar caliper and the pad shape is from nascar too. 28-30mm total thickness depending on manufacturer. Web pricing on the pad is $330-340 for DTC-70. It will have to be ground down to 20mm though so I'm like whats the point?

Stoptech pads are 18mm thick and cost on average $420-430 (web pricing) for the ST60 caliper. The trophy kit uses 355x32mm rotors but they also make 355x35, 380x32, and 380x35mm rotors. I wonder if they can make a custom bracket to use a larger disc or if I can shim the calliper to use a wider disc? Or maybe even a combination of both. 380x35mm would be pretty sick. It's standard on the european car stoptech trophy kits so I don't know why they can't offer it for the subaru crowd? Our cars are a bit lighter but some of us are putting out 200-300hp more than an m3.


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Another off topic question kinda, those an fittings you use are the push lock ones right? You don't have any hose clamps on them for the fuel lines? Is that safe?
Yeah they are aeroquip push loc. No clamps needed. It's rated to 300psi I think. Never had an issue and I'm almost at 90+ psi fuel pressure at full boost. The lines in the engine bay are starting to crack though so I'm actually thinking of re-doing the whole car with the goodridge 911 lines and fittings. Expensive but they are super flexible, strong, and teflon coated (no fuel vapour smell in car). I was building the car on a budget a few years back and aeroquip was cheap. Plus a lot of guys on nasioc were using them.

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Arthur can you do 3d gear pull and import that into virtual dyno, just trying to see if it reads vipec csv's correctly. Mine shows me max whp 430 ~ 460 with smoothing on 5 little strange why so low.
I'll see if I can get a pull in tonight. (Don't have the luxury of big wide highways near by like you guys). Should I log via PC or onboard? I think onboard will give me a higher logging rate?
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^ robson st for a 3rd gear pull sounds OK, no?
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^ robson st for a 3rd gear pull sounds OK, no?
Won't even make it 10 ft before some Chinese driver in a $60k+ car pulls out in front of me / cuts me off without shoulder checking
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Take a video too!!!!



Thanks for the info on the lines. I want to do all black braided lines for as much as I can, fuel, coolant, vacuum, etc so im trying to figure out the best route
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If it's all in the engine bay I wouldn't worry about the need for teflon lines. Won't smell anything in the car.

Just take a look at anplumbing.com, jegs, summit, http://aeroquip.cc

See what's cheap and looks good

I think the aeroquip starlite hose is pretty good looking and flexible. Not sure how it compares to the earls stuff but I'm like 90% sure the aeroquip fittings are going to be cheaper. The jegs stuff is super cheap and works but I'm not sure how it's going to last if you're going to be taking it on and off a couple dozen times. Even the aeroquip stuff will start to leak down the road and you'll have to use these special washer/gasket things.

Just my experience.
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