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Old 06-01-2011, 02:15 PM   #1
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I've just started Dirt Cheap Rally, a new racing series for $500 race cars. It's affordable, off-road, wheel-to-wheel endurance racing. The same cars you'd use for LeMons or Chump, only on gravel and dirt! The rules are a little different of course, but most of the cars that race with those guys should be able to come play in the dirt with us! We're hoping to offer an option somewhere between RallyX and full stage rally that most people can afford.

We've got two west-coast tracks set up for 2011, and I'm working on a few more. Come take a look at the web site (dirtcheaprally.com), the rules, the events and join us for a race! You can leave comments here and I'll try to get back and reply, or join our forum there and I'm sure to see them right away. You can also email me any questions you have at erik@dirtcheaprally.com.
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Old 06-01-2011, 03:20 PM   #2
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$500 cars and $2000 in spare parts

sounds fun
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Old 06-01-2011, 03:22 PM   #3
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Old 06-01-2011, 03:23 PM   #4
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Definitely interested to see where this goes, just not interested in trying to rally a $500 car.
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Old 06-01-2011, 03:43 PM   #5
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Definitely interested to see where this goes, just not interested in trying to rally a $500 car.
sounds more like Folkrace than rally.

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Old 06-01-2011, 04:07 PM   #6
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Cheap fun....but the endurance portion of this rallycross type event will drive costs up no matter what.

All the best wishes that it takes off, but old (cheap) stuff breaks....alot.


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Old 06-01-2011, 04:47 PM   #7
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That Folk Race looks like a lot of fun, and probably reasonably close to what we're aiming for. Without all the contact. And for hours instead of minutes. And with actual safety gear.

I know it seems reasonably improbable, but the same could be said for high speed road racing for 24hrs in these same cars, and many do very, very well at it. There is no limit on innovation to help your car survive, just expenditures of cash!

Thanks for the support guys.
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Old 06-01-2011, 06:15 PM   #8
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I know it seems reasonably improbable, but the same could be said for high speed road racing for 24hrs in these same cars, and many do very, very well at it. There is no limit on innovation to help your car survive, just expenditures of cash!

Thanks for the support guys.
see post #2. The only real consumables that most lemons/chump cars have are brakes and tires...unless you have a POS engine or didn't do radiator hoses

Take those and add, struts, tie rods and cv's...still would be lots of fun.


So what do you guys have planned to track upkeep during the event? just let the ruts grow or stop the race and repair?
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Old 06-01-2011, 06:30 PM   #9
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Sheet.......these days, gas alone is a major expense!!!!

I also echo Homemade WRX's thoughts.....a short track with many cars over an extended period of time, will be downright dangerous in short order.....

Just sayin'


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Old 06-01-2011, 07:04 PM   #10
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see post #2. The only real consumables that most lemons/chump cars have are brakes and tires...unless you have a POS engine or didn't do radiator hoses

Take those and add, struts, tie rods and cv's...still would be lots of fun.


So what do you guys have planned to track upkeep during the event? just let the ruts grow or stop the race and repair?
We added a $400 allowance for strut and bushing replacement to help deal with the suspension wear and tear - a set of Bilstein HD's ought to be attainable for most vehicles. Tie Rods, Ball joints, CV's - all that safety suspension stuff is covered under exclusion for safety, so they can be replaced.

For track upkeep, there are two phases. First, the tracks are going to be watered days before events, as well as during events. Second, the schedule runs in two hour segments, with a break in between for track maintenance. So, it's two hours racing, a break to get equipment out and level the ruts, smooth any berms that have formed, rewater, then two hours racing and repeat.

We've also taken steps to limit the damage that will be done to the track by the cars. A 3000lb as-raced weight limit, 2WD only limitation, a spec street-type tire, and limited suspension modifications mean the speeds will be kept down, and drivers will have to drive within the limits of their machines as opposed to tearing the track up with aggression.

Finally, we're being very careful about the sites we chose and the type of ground we're running on. We're really aiming for spots that can be kept reasonable over a long period, and don't include any jumps or major elevation changes. It's my opinion all of this will help these kind of cars survive for the entire race, if prep'd appropriately.
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Old 06-01-2011, 11:23 PM   #11
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Old 06-01-2011, 11:42 PM   #13
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Old 06-02-2011, 01:44 AM   #14
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A good Top Gear reference is Season 6 Episode 2, where they do the European Rally Cross. Of course, they drive like pigs and that won't be allowed, but it is Top Gear so nothing less is expected.

Geek Guy - while I've got nothing against Dirt Track, this is definitely not the same thing. Other than racing against other cars, it will have much more in common with RallyX or Road Racing than Oval Track.
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Old 06-27-2011, 10:02 AM   #15
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UPDATE: Our first event will now be August 27-28 at Portland International Raceway in the center of Portland, OR! Check out the website for all the event details: www.dirtcheaprally.com/events

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Old 06-29-2011, 10:06 PM   #16
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i will have to wait till a race is on east coast.it sounds like fun. rallycross with affordable cars.
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Old 06-30-2011, 04:44 AM   #17
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Perfect example by the Top Gear episode and sounds like an awesome idea. Something I'd like to be a part in.
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Old 06-30-2011, 08:43 AM   #18
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We've also taken steps to limit the damage that will be done to the track by the cars. A 3000lb as-raced weight limit, 2WD only limitation, a spec street-type tire, and limited suspension modifications mean the speeds will be kept down, and drivers will have to drive within the limits of their machines as opposed to tearing the track up with aggression.
Well there goes my entry.
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Old 06-30-2011, 01:14 PM   #19
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I'm all about grassroots alternatives. Too bad they don't have something like this on the east coast. Best of luck.
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Erik I checked out your site, but the price listed for entry fee was $900 (pissing in the wind) and 750 for the one PIR.
Idaho Rally was $650 and Gorman is $600 (including stage notes). For one day of racing 900 bucks doesn't seem very dirt cheap. I was really psyched on your program till I saw the entry fee It just seems a little spendy for grassroots program. ( the cars a re definately grassroots).
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Erik I checked out your site, but the price listed for entry fee was $900 (pissing in the wind) and 750 for the one PIR.
Idaho Rally was $650 and Gorman is $600 (including stage notes). For one day of racing 900 bucks doesn't seem very dirt cheap. I was really psyched on your program till I saw the entry fee It just seems a little spendy for grassroots program. ( the cars a re definately grassroots).
I understand your concern. The real 'budget' part of this series lies in the limited cost of building the car and low cost of participating in the event as compared to a stage rally team. Also, my event costs are split between three people minimum, and the actual seat time per $$$ is higher than in stage rally. I do understand the seat time in a full rally is more thrilling, but there is something to be said for sharing the experience with your friends and family who are able to watch and participate, and sharing the total costs over a whole team as opposed to taking them on individually.

Also, the event cost is strictly dictated by business costs - stage rallies utilize club resources, public lands, and massive volunteer pools (all free). If I find my event costs are lower than expected (they won't be) or entries are much higher, I'll happily lower the cost to enter, promise! I'm in this to bring affordable competition to a broader group, and anything I can do to that end I will.
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Old 07-09-2011, 11:18 PM   #22
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I've been racing LeMons and Chump for two years. The price point for the entry fees for the amount of racing track time is in line with other cheap racing series. I think it's cool that there's a cheap way to race off-track. Too bad you're so far away from Texas.

Good luck with the series!

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Wow, those entry fees are a bit high. If I can run a real rally for less than what you charge, why would I do your events?
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