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Old 06-05-2011, 01:24 PM   #1
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Question is an RSTI build in my future?

Hey guys here is my dilemma,

I have a 2005 Impreza RS that i am looking into building it into an RSTI but i have been told that it will be more expensive for me in the long run to do a motor swap then it is to just sell my car and buy an STI or WRX outright.

here are my issues about this and why i need some opinions on wether or not it is a good idea or not...

the RS is 4EAT and the engine is still good on it with 80xxx on the odom/motor and i am 20 years old, still in college, and i pay about $115 a month for full comprehensive. i have done my homework on what insurance would be for me on a WRX and on an STI and the cost for each is pretty shocking. the WRX (02-07) was $175 a month and the STI (04-07) was $255 a month.

I have about $5k saved up and this thread is the decision point on what i should do with my car...sell it and buy a WRX/STI or keep my car and just go balls out on a build. WHAT SHOULD I DO?????
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Old 06-05-2011, 01:32 PM   #2
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it will be more expensive for me in the long run to do a motor swap then it is to just sell my car and buy an STI or WRX outright.
Yup.

$3500-5000 for the long block
$3500-5000 for the 6 speed
Another $$$$ for wiring etc
Don't forget to pick up another mode of transportation while the RS is down.

Unless you find a donor car to swap everything over from, $8000-$18,000 depending on condition.

Question becomes, what would you rather have? A car that runs and drives now?(sell current car and purchase a WRX/STI) or a project that you work on/have someone else work on and drive when it's completed?
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Old 06-05-2011, 01:35 PM   #3
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IMO, I see it pointless to do an STi swap on a GD or the likes, unless it's unique like an H6 swap or an EJ207. For all the work, you're building a stock WRX that you can find anywhere.

Unless you're doing it for the work, then more power to you, and don't let me influence you otherwise.
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Old 06-05-2011, 01:37 PM   #4
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IMO, I see it pointless to do an STi swap on a GD or the likes, unless it's unique like an H6 swap or an EJ207. For all the work, you're building a stock WRX that you can find anywhere.

Unless you're doing it for the work, then more power to you, and don't let me influence you otherwise.
My thoughts exactly. The bump in insurance wont come near to the price and down time you will have for do the swap.
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Old 06-05-2011, 01:42 PM   #5
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the thing is tho, i had a friend of mine with a 98 Legacy GT did a V3 JDM STI swap done to it and it cost him $5,500 at NWRS and 3 months of down time so thats why i was thinking that if that was possible for my car, why not go for the swap but thats why i am coming out to you guys to find out is if this was possible to do on an 05 RS
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Old 06-05-2011, 01:43 PM   #6
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I say sell and just buy a Wrx. Maybe look into a new insurance company too. I have a terrible driving record (not kidding) and had Liability for 80 a month on my 05 STi.
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Old 06-05-2011, 01:45 PM   #7
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That's because it's a Legacy. How many Legacies do you see around that have an STi swap? Not many.

You can't do a Version 3 swap on your car. You won't pass emissions, putting essentially a OBD1 engine in a newer OBD2 car.

And I'm curious, what did the $5,500 pay for? Just the installation of the engine, or the entire drivetrain and harness merge?

It's possible, but you need a newer engine to put in a newer car. Do you want a WRX swap, because you want WRX power, or to learn more about cars?
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Old 06-05-2011, 01:49 PM   #8
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That's because it's a Legacy. How many Legacies do you see around that have an STi swap? Not many.

You can't do a Version 3 swap on your car. You won't pass emissions, putting essentially a OBD1 engine in a newer OBD2 car.

And I'm curious, what did the $5,500 pay for? Just the installation of the engine, or the entire drivetrain and harness merge?

It's possible, but you need a newer engine to put in a newer car. Do you want a WRX swap, because you want WRX power, or to learn more about cars?
in whatcom county there is no ruling on emissions and the $5,500 paid for the engine, tranny, wiring harness, STI ECU shipped from australia, and other miscellaneous parts needed to make an automatic legacy into a 5-speed.
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Old 06-05-2011, 01:52 PM   #9
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That's a good deal!

Is the harness properly merged? Is everything completely functional?
Does this guy have a website?
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Old 06-05-2011, 02:06 PM   #10
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everything is fully functional and the engine only had 37,5xx miles on it. www.nwrallysports.com is the website and his name is adam and he runs the whole shop himself.
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Old 06-05-2011, 02:18 PM   #11
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$5500 for parts and labor is an outstanding price. There's a shop here on the east coast that does swaps and charge close to that in labor alone.
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Old 06-05-2011, 02:21 PM   #12
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Why not just build a motor? While building the motor just leave the RS the way it is, and save up more for the trans. Then boom you have a built RSTI.
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Old 06-05-2011, 02:24 PM   #13
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$5500 for parts and labor is an outstanding price. There's a shop here on the east coast that does swaps and charge close to that in labor alone.
thats the thing tho, this is one guy that runs a whole shop to himself and does everything himself so that is why he charges that much because it all goes right to him and no one else. i just wish his timeline on the build is much shorter than 3 months tho
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Old 06-05-2011, 02:26 PM   #14
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Why not just build a motor? While building the motor just leave the RS the way it is, and save up more for the trans. Then boom you have a built RSTI.
not enough time on my hands

i go to school full time and its nice to live so close to campus that i can just walk rather than burn all my gas going to and from the college.
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Old 06-05-2011, 02:53 PM   #15
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I have 100% what you need to do your swap. If your interested shoot me a pm.


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Old 06-05-2011, 02:55 PM   #16
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Don't forget that your also saving $1320.00 a year in insurance keeping your RS! Thats a bit in gas,mods or what ever else may come up.


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Old 06-05-2011, 03:06 PM   #17
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but when you crash your RSTI, you will not get paid for a STI in a RS body....


your 05 RS has no weight advantages like the older GC coupes have. you can buy a WRX for 8,000 now days... if you want the STI they can be had as well, buf for more money.

if you are considering doing a build on your RS, and have 5,000 saved up. i would say sell your car to further fund your project. start with a platform that comes turbo from the factory, it will be much easier, and less down time to go this route. your young so this isnt the last car you will ever own, you will learn a lot modding a car and figure out what path is right for you.


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Old 06-05-2011, 04:35 PM   #18
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but when you crash your RSTI, you will not get paid for a STI in a RS body....


your 05 RS has no weight advantages like the older GC coupes have. you can buy a WRX for 8,000 now days... if you want the STI they can be had as well, buf for more money.

if you are considering doing a build on your RS, and have 5,000 saved up. i would say sell your car to further fund your project. start with a platform that comes turbo from the factory, it will be much easier, and less down time to go this route. your young so this isnt the last car you will ever own, you will learn a lot modding a car and figure out what path is right for you.


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This.
Especially if you don't have the 5.5k, in hand, right now.
And if you do, just find a clean wrx/sti at a dealer that you like and go trade in and use that 5.5k to get your payments where you want.

If you save and swap into an '05 body, you'll be disappointed.

Simply for the fact that you could have had the same car sooner by trading in, it will still essentially be a stock wrx, and you'll get little resale out of it unlike an actual wrx/sti/swapped GC/GM.

If you don't mind wasting your money to be at stock wrx level...

Can I borrow 5.5k from ya?
I'm stage1 and I needs moar powa!

1. Sell your car and use the money to get into a wrx.
2. Sell your car, buy an actual GC/GM and swap.
3. Trade your car in for a wrx/sti.
4. Save up 5.5k, get swapped, spend another 2-3k on stage2, sways, and coilovers, then hope you don't totally wreck or decide to sell it. Or that your mod bug ends there.

Depending on your income/outgoing bills, I'd go with 1, 2, or 3.
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Old 06-05-2011, 07:47 PM   #19
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http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2192017

There ya go if your heart is set on a swap...
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Old 06-05-2011, 07:50 PM   #20
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Don't do it! NA > Turbo.

Focus on school. As much as I hated to hear from my elders (and still hate to hear it) Getting an education is more important than having a fast car. Besides when you graduate and get a good job you can show up to a Suby meet in a Porsche or M3 and show everyone whats really up.

But if you do invest in your RS, instead of power, Keep the car well maintained and running well. And just do suspension and brake up grades. Keeping pace with turbo cars in the corners is more fun anyway.
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Old 06-05-2011, 11:04 PM   #21
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Take it from a person who is in the middle of a USDM STI swap right now....

Its not worth it to try and change an NA GD into an STI. The ver. 3 STI stuff is a lot cheaper than the usdm sti stuff but it also isn't as good. Its maybe marginally better than the WRX stuff, so even if you only spent $5500 for the swap, you'd basically have a wrx with a couple bolt ons. You would be worth it to save your cash and buy a good condition wrx or sti. I think your insurance quotes are a bit high as well. I pay less than $100 a month for my 06 LGT and it has more power than WRX and should be considered in the same basic insurance bracket.
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Old 06-05-2011, 11:06 PM   #22
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i just hate seeing these cars that i look at being 8 grand and having such high miles on them...it drives me nuts! i guess i'm being too picky about my choice in car and miles amount is all that i am trying to look at.

02-05 WRX with 100-140k on odom is almost sickening because it makes me want to turn away from them. hearing about a JDM swap that has virtually 30-40k on the engine makes me excited about wanting to do the swap and either way, this would turn my daily into a weekender car and thats what i want to do and have a POS as a daily
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why not buy a 140,000 mile car and do a motor refresh?

i have a brand new bully built STI short block that would be a great start to an amazing build. miles are not the devil. i put 44,000 miles on my STI in under 2 years.
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Old 06-06-2011, 12:48 AM   #24
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why not buy a 140,000 mile car and do a motor refresh?

i have a brand new bully built STI short block that would be a great start to an amazing build. miles are not the devil. i put 44,000 miles on my STI in under 2 years.
what do motor refresh's run at? like a total refresh?
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Old 06-06-2011, 01:16 AM   #25
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this would turn my daily into a weekender car and thats what i want to do and have a POS as a daily
Then why not choose a more unique car to start with and keep your RS as your daily? I'm all for building a cool car, but the biggest problem I have with what you are describing is that you are basically trying to build a car that you could just as easily go out and buy for probably less money and way less effort. I picked up a GC parts car with no engine not too long ago for $300. It would have been a perfect candidate for a WRX swap if it hadn't been junked in California and had no title.

FWIW my sti swap is going in a 98 LGT. I expect that for the cost involved in everything I end up doing, I could probably have bought a running STI, but its worth it to me because 2nd gen legacies with a complete usdm sti swap are super rare.
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