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Old 06-07-2011, 01:41 AM   #1
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Default To the guy who blew up his 2011 STi Sedan at VIR w/ TDaze 6/4-5

It pains me to write this. I will likely get hammered since I'm a vendor. But you embarrassed the brand and I won't sit for that.

There is a reason no one helped you push your broken car.

You continuously drove through the rocks at VIR even after it was discussed in the drivers meeting and you broke at least one windshield. You also failed to give a point by for WAY too long so we had to choose from following in your rock plume or waiting until you realized you were slower.

That is not how the advanced group is supposed to work. I sat right next to you in the first black group classroom session and I know you are old enough to fix this. You are not a kid.

The first session was not entirely your fault - the conditions were poor - and I emailed VIR/TDaze/Chin and PCA/BMWCCA about this - but the second one was within your knowledge/control. I got behind you in session 2 and quickly backed off until I could pass in the longer straight.

We all pay to do this - you made us pay more.
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Old 06-07-2011, 06:42 AM   #2
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I think that was well put, it seems to happen a lot at lapping days unfortunately. It sounds like karma got the best of him though.
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Old 06-07-2011, 07:17 AM   #3
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Was this the gray one?

If so, yeah, that last second hard right into the pits was NOT a good move. I was coming up on your inside in preparation for a pass (would I have gotten a point?), and then you suddenly slammed on the brakes and veered across the track into the pits. There was enough room that it wasn't too dangerous, but just a bad move. If you're going into the pits, get the fist up high, and STAY RIGHT. If you're too late, do it next lap.

Still...sucks about the engine. How many miles? How much gas was in it? What oil were you running? Tuned at all?
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Old 06-07-2011, 07:50 AM   #4
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Oh, and on a side note. Sorry I didn't get to say hey Ken. I think I saw you on track though.
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Old 06-07-2011, 08:16 AM   #5
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Old 06-07-2011, 08:19 AM   #6
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There's always one... :P

"Advanced" group - makes me upset to hear about people like this in the upper level DE groups. I mean, I know it's all in the spirit of education but you shouldn't be a hazard and unpredictable in the Advanced group...
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Old 06-07-2011, 08:28 AM   #7
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Old 06-07-2011, 08:59 AM   #8
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Sounds like this driver shouldn't have been in advanced. Advanced drivers should be the most courteous and follow the basic rules. We usually pull these sort of people and put them in fast intermediate or some group other than advanced because of problems like this. It's a track day, not a race, everyone is out there just to have a good time and get some work done.
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Old 06-07-2011, 10:44 AM   #9
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Sounds like this driver shouldn't have been in advanced. Advanced drivers should be the most courteous and follow the basic rules. We usually pull these sort of people and put them in fast intermediate or some group other than advanced because of problems like this. It's a track day, not a race, everyone is out there just to have a good time and get some work done.
I think the problem is some clubs don't do this enough. I've been to events where 5-7 people got off the track and complained to the director regarding a specific car on track being reckless/uncoordinated in advanced and they just shrug it off and go about their day.

God forbid they hurt people's feelings - they may not come back to the club again...
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Old 06-07-2011, 11:14 AM   #10
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What happened to the engine? Spun bearing or more extensive damage?
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Old 06-07-2011, 11:59 AM   #11
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seems like catastrophic bearing failure, based on amount of coolant and oil lost, possible rod through block. car was stage 2 with perrin 3" turbo back, from the horse's mouth. would love to know who "tuned" it

i was there in a 91 legacy, modded with an oil pan. 0 problems. had a friend with the 08, stage 2 and some cooling mods and a pan, no issues. it's all about proper prep.

as for his driving, this person drew much criticism from others in this group, word from td staff was that he was going to get bumped anyway before his car went boom.

as a former tech, i was steamed to hear him discussing trying to get the car warrantied. this was not a manufacturer defect, it was a poorly tuned or prepped car going boom in a "race" environment. i would deny it in a heartbeat, but not my call...
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Old 06-07-2011, 12:47 PM   #12
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as a former tech, i was steamed to hear him discussing trying to get the car warrantied. this was not a manufacturer defect, it was a poorly tuned or prepped car going boom in a "race" environment. i would deny it in a heartbeat, but not my call...
Come on - we're in America. The land where you need not to take responsibility for your actions. You just need to be quick-lipped enough to come up with a story that make others think you're honest...

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Old 06-07-2011, 01:08 PM   #13
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btw: I got crack on my windshield as well but it's fixed now and all good ... $65 is better than $1000+

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Was this the gray one?

Yep ...

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Old 06-07-2011, 02:06 PM   #14
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one immutable law about dinkin around with fast cars...."if you wanna play, prepare to pay!"
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Old 06-07-2011, 02:19 PM   #15
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Sorry to hear about the windshield. I had a similar incident happen to my WRX a while ago.

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Old 06-07-2011, 02:26 PM   #16
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btw: I got crack on my windshield as well but it's fixed now and all good ...
You got crack on your windshield? What sort of event was this? I thought controlled substances were not allowed on course!

I hate the dickwads that go off-roading and spit stuff all over the rest of the people and on the track repeatedly.
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Old 06-07-2011, 02:48 PM   #17
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You got crack on your windshield? What sort of event was this? I thought controlled substances were not allowed on course!

I hate the dickwads that go off-roading and spit stuff all over the rest of the people and on the track repeatedly.
come on we gots AWD - 2 wheels on the track is still "on track"
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Old 06-07-2011, 02:54 PM   #18
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I just looked at my windshield - not good.

That's really a VIR issue though.
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Old 06-07-2011, 03:19 PM   #19
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Yeah. It looked like VIR had added some "dirt" behind a lot of the curbing to fill in the holes.
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Old 06-07-2011, 03:22 PM   #20
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Yeah. It looked like VIR had added some "dirt" behind a lot of the curbing to fill in the holes.
That is a separate topic which I emailed them about - and they have responded to.
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Old 06-07-2011, 04:16 PM   #21
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What did they have to say about it (if you can / want to share)?
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Old 06-07-2011, 07:28 PM   #22
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Old 06-07-2011, 11:41 PM   #23
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someone is going to be pissed when the dealer finds this out, if he really was in 'advanced' then he should know basic track regulations; sounds like someone needs an instructor.
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Old 06-08-2011, 08:19 AM   #24
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sounds like someone needs an instructor.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2187566

i hear this guy is available!
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Old 06-08-2011, 08:52 AM   #25
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Dirt and pebbles have always been a problem at VIR. I wish they would just pave the whole paddock so everyone doesn't get pelted during the warmup lap when people are scrubbing their tires. Not to mention the gravel manages to find its way into EVERYTHING. On track though, there are certain areas where it'll always be dirt because grass would never survive. Like behind the kerbs in the uphill esses.

But someone in the advanced group should be fully aware of track etiquette and safety at the very least. If not, he needs an instructor and to be bumped down a group. Too many people think they belong in the advanced group because they have a fast car and think they'll get held up in a lower group.
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