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Old 06-08-2011, 06:27 PM   #1
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Default I can has 2013 North American V8 round?..

http://www.speedcafe.com/2011/06/03/...north-america/

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Tony Cochrane has boasted of ‘strong interest’ from North American racing circuits wishing to host a V8 Supercars Championship event.
The category chairman is heading V8 Supercars’ push for international expansion, which could see as many as six events held off-shore in the future.
According to Cochrane, the V8 Supercars have a growing fan base in North America, thanks in part to the Marcos Ambrose-hosted television packaged.
“There has been very strong interest from a number of American circuits to host a round of our great championship,” Cochrane told American website Speed.com.
“We don’t have anything signed, but we are talking with people.”
While it is unclear how the economics of such a trip would work, Cochrane hinted that the V8 Supercars best chance of racing in North American is likely to be as a support category at an existing event.
“One of the things that I think makes this an interesting exercise is that we’re open to talk to people about their ideas and our ideas and try and find some common ground,” said Cochrane.
“Sitting here today, I wouldn’t say we’ve ruled anything in or anything out.
“We’ve spoken with a number of North American promoters and regions that are interested and we’ll continue to have open dialogue with them.”
According to Cochrane, a North American event could be added to the calendar as soon as 2013.

As much as I would love to see Falcons and Commodores on Mosport's surface, I guess this means its likelihood is better as a companion race to the F1 in Montreal or something similar in Austin (that's where F1 is going now, right?).


Anyone else got some tracks they would like to see the V8s on? Other forums have chimed in with things like Laguna Seca, Lime Rock, Infineon, Watkins Glen, etc. Definitely road or street courses would be the optimal solutions.. though it would be interesting to see what a V8 could do on Talladega but just as a test - I don't think I could stand them in a full roundy-round race. Not to mention the way most V8 drivers drive, there wouldn't be (m)any running at the end.
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Old 06-08-2011, 06:52 PM   #2
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I think seeing them run a roval COULD be strategic to help pick up interest from some Nascar followers...just saying $$ to V8 Supercars.

Put them at Daytona?
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Old 06-08-2011, 07:00 PM   #3
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Perhaps integrate v8 supercars into alms? at least for the american leg of the v8sc season. That would be cool. And you wouldnt have to make new events just include a new class.
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I don't know. They way V8 SC runs heats, I think that could make for chaos with an ALMS weekend...I was thinking that too until I thought of supercar's format.
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Old 06-08-2011, 08:11 PM   #7
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i'd rather see fia gt3 here mixing it up with ALMS

and i agree with v8 supercar driving style not meshing well with ALMS nor any NA-based racing series.
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Old 06-08-2011, 09:52 PM   #8
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Old 06-08-2011, 11:38 PM   #9
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yeah, I see V8SC as NASCAR driving style on road courses and not retarded old technology limits.
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If they come, it will be racing with NASCAR at one of the road course events.
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Old 06-09-2011, 11:59 AM   #11
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What makes the most sense to me from a promoter's perspective would be to run as support to Indycar at Long Beach, and have ALMS dropped from that event.

I doubt it would run as a support event to NASCAR, as NASCAR probably doesn't want everyone to realize how much slower the Cup cars are than the V8 Supercars.

What I would like to see, purely for personal reasons, is for them to run with Grand-Am, and Laguna Seca makes the most sense based on the 2011 Grand-Am schedule. I don't want to see them run as support to F1, because, well, I want Grand-Am to run as support to F1 in Austin so I can be there.
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You want to see high-powered cars with drivers who like to bang doors, and you want to put them on a city street circuit with very few passing zones and a lot of hard objects for them to run each other into? Are you sure that's a good idea?


FWIW, when the revived the Belle Isle GP here in Detroit for two years the weekend seemed to work pretty well integrating IndyCar, ALMS, and Speed GT into one weekend. If the V8 Supercars were to come to the US for more than just a single race I would think they could fit it in with IndyCar at Mid-Ohio and Infineon and they'd have a crowd that appreciates touring cars a bit more than NASCAR would.
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You want to see high-powered cars with drivers who like to bang doors, and you want to put them on a city street circuit with very few passing zones and a lot of hard objects for them to run each other into? Are you sure that's a good idea?
They do it yearly in Adelaide and Hamilton NZ...

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If the V8 Supercars were to come to the US for more than just a single race I would think they could fit it in with IndyCar at Mid-Ohio and Infineon and they'd have a crowd that appreciates touring cars a bit more than NASCAR would.
Agree. I definitely don't want to make a NASCAR bashing thread out of this, but this is so very much on a different level.
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yeah, I see V8SC as NASCAR driving style on road courses and not retarded old technology limits.
V8SC is nearly as bad with old tech. They run Motec M4's for crikeys sake.
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Old 06-09-2011, 05:50 PM   #15
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I doubt it would run as a support event to NASCAR, as NASCAR probably doesn't want everyone to realize how much slower the Cup cars are than the V8 Supercars.
Do you have some comparative lap times to share?
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I don't know that I would say that V8s are any faster than Cup cars. Last year at the bottom of Conrod Straight (fastest point on any track the V8s race on, IIRC) they were doing 290 km/h, which is 176.61 mph. A couple teams have said in qualifying setup they can breach 300-305 (182-186) in the same location. So, technically, the V8s are slower, since the Cup cars routinely get up to 190ish on the superspeedways.

True speed comparisons could only be done with cars from both series at the same track on the same day, though.
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They do it yearly in Adelaide and Hamilton NZ...
..and Sydney and the Gold Coast. As far as street circuits go, Long Beach is wider than normal and actually has places (plural) to pass.

The real problem with having multiple series at a street circuit is that there is always a lack of paddock and pit space. I worked for a SPEED GT team in 2001, and the only reason that worked is because the World Challenge cars don't make pit stops during the race, and don't require any real pit equipment. At every race that I have been at, there were never more than 3series that required pit stops during the race at any one event because of the mass of stuff that is needed to do it right. I just don't see how having 3 series where all are used to being the big show can really work.

The best I've ever seen it done was how it worked with Grand-Am and Indycar at Barber the last 2 years, where they basically split the days into half Indycar and half Grand-Am. Doing it that way made the time between sessions a lot less chaotic than events I had worked at Watkins Glen and Mid-Ohio with Indycar.
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Do you have some comparative lap times to share?
This gets a little tricky... Pole for V8 Supercars at Albert Park last year was 1:57.1899

http://www.grandprix.com.au/results/v8/qualifying

Pole for F1 was 1:23.529

http://www.grandprix.com/race/r840q1results.html

F1 Pole at Montreal last year was 1:15.105

http://www.grandprix.com/race/r828q1report.html

Nationwide series pole at Montreal was 1:40.458.

http://paddocktalk.com/news/html/story-143442.html

...and lo and behold, on a percentage basis, a Nationwide series car is actually faster when compared to F1 than a V8 Supercar. This surprises me greatly.
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What makes the most sense to me from a promoter's perspective would be to run as support to Indycar at Long Beach, and have ALMS dropped from that event.

I doubt it would run as a support event to NASCAR, as NASCAR probably doesn't want everyone to realize how much slower the Cup cars are than the V8 Supercars.

What I would like to see, purely for personal reasons, is for them to run with Grand-Am, and Laguna Seca makes the most sense based on the 2011 Grand-Am schedule. I don't want to see them run as support to F1, because, well, I want Grand-Am to run as support to F1 in Austin so I can be there.
NASCAR doesn't care about how fast their cars look in comparison to anything but other stock car series.
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This gets a little tricky... Pole for V8 Supercars at Albert Park last year was 1:57.1899

http://www.grandprix.com.au/results/v8/qualifying

Pole for F1 was 1:23.529

http://www.grandprix.com/race/r840q1results.html

F1 Pole at Montreal last year was 1:15.105

http://www.grandprix.com/race/r828q1report.html

Nationwide series pole at Montreal was 1:40.458.

http://paddocktalk.com/news/html/story-143442.html

...and lo and behold, on a percentage basis, a Nationwide series car is actually faster when compared to F1 than a V8 Supercar. This surprises me greatly.
Interesting indeed. Nationwide cars make around 630hp I think, based on some of the numbers that floated around when Nascar restricted the Toyotas. What's a good cup motor put out, 850?
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...and lo and behold, on a percentage basis, a Nationwide series car is actually faster when compared to F1 than a V8 Supercar. This surprises me greatly.
I figured it would be closer than your initial comment made it sound, hence my question. With that said, I'm surprised the Nationwide cars are (in the rough comparison presented here) faster - I would've thought the bigger brakes, lighter weight, and better (maybe not?) aero/downforce would give the nod to the V8 Supercars.

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I don't know that I would say that V8s are any faster than Cup cars. Last year at the bottom of Conrod Straight (fastest point on any track the V8s race on, IIRC) they were doing 290 km/h, which is 176.61 mph. A couple teams have said in qualifying setup they can breach 300-305 (182-186) in the same location. So, technically, the V8s are slower, since the Cup cars routinely get up to 190ish on the superspeedways.
Last year I did a track day at VIR, and on the days prior JPM and a couple of other Sprint Cup drivers had been there dialing in their road course cars in preparation for Sonoma. They were apparently clocked at 186mph - I believe that was at the end of the (shorter) front straight, but it may have been the back straight. (In my CTS-V I'm about 7mph faster on the back straight than on the front straight, to give an idea of the difference.)

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What's a good cup motor put out, 850?
850-900 seems to be the range that's always thrown around for the unrestricted motors.
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Cup cars are quite fast. V8 Supercars are fast as well but have nothing in terms of motor for a Sprint Cup car. The 2 cars make their speed in different areas, overall a cup car should still be faster at mostly any given track. Here is a video my friend shaking down his Sprint Cup car at Road Atlanta in prep for some upcoming road courses this year.



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The V8 supercars are a perfect match for a Grand-Am weekend.
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Cup cars are quite fast. V8 Supercars are fast as well but have nothing in terms of motor for a Sprint Cup car. The 2 cars make their speed in different areas, overall a cup car should still be faster at mostly any given track. Here is a video my friend shaking down his Sprint Cup car at Road Atlanta in prep for some upcoming road courses this year.
Yeah, I don't know why so many people want to bash everything NASCAR. The racing may be boring for a lot of us or seem low in skill (though it's not). The engineering put into the cars is top notch though to the untrained eye, it's all old school. Still pisses me off that they don't make them run 4.0 or 5.0L engines and GDI systems and actually have useful data and experience for manufacturers to use...and then be 'green' too
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Just thinking about seeing V8SC's race live gets me way too worked up. The entertainment value in a V8SC race is phenomenal.
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