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Old 06-11-2011, 01:56 PM   #1
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Default JL Audio Clean Sweep....tough install??

Does anyone have the clean sweep? Is it worth it? I want to add an amp or two down the road and clean up the signal without a new headunit.

My main question is: My local audio shop quoted me $180 to INSTALL this. It sounded high and I wanted to know what was involved with a signal processor install.
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Old 06-11-2011, 02:10 PM   #2
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A couple of hours of labor for installation (splicing into existing headunit, connection to amps, tuning to work with amps, etc), plus EQ tuning to some degree.

Yes that is about right since most places charge around $80-90/hr.

What, you expect them to do it for beer and pizza?
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Old 06-11-2011, 02:24 PM   #3
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Haha, no, I honestly had no idea what was involved. I thought it was as straight forward as a headunit but it apparently isn't.

I have polk db651's in all 4 doors and I was thinking of adding an amp and the CleanSweep. Do you think the sound would improve with just the cleansweep and no additional power/external amp?
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Old 06-11-2011, 02:54 PM   #4
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You're pushing those Polk's with the stock head unit? If so the cleansweep would likely help clarity but the stock head unit pushes an extremely low RMS so I'm betting you'd be better off going with an aftermarket HU.
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Old 06-11-2011, 04:47 PM   #5
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You're pushing those Polk's with the stock head unit? If so the cleansweep would likely help clarity but the stock head unit pushes an extremely low RMS so I'm betting you'd be better off going with an aftermarket HU.
CleanSweep REQUIRES an amp, you cannot use the headunit to power anything once installed.

Yes an amp will improve the sound quality.


Though, curious if the factory headunit has some factory eq'ing in it that as you turn it louder it decreases the loudness.. Thus you set the headunit to XX volume, and use the included volume from the cleansweep only... It's kind of different, perhaps irritating, but it's the only way to work around the factory EQ'ing if any
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Old 06-11-2011, 04:50 PM   #6
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I think your first new buy should be a headunit and then an amp for the Polks. They aren't very efficient and aren't the easiest speakers to drive to begin with and head units aren't very good at powering speakers to begin with. I'd highly suggest getting an amp and a new head unit first.

Go for a head unit with options you want, but not a bunch of flashy bits that are only there to look cool. Since you plan on adding an amp, pay attention to the pre-out voltage. Higher is better. Get something with more than 3 bands of equalization. What I mean is bass, mid and treble aren't enough and are too general. 5 is an improvement but 7 is would be ideal. You'd then have control of specific frequencies. Don't be afraid to buy used stuff. Technology changes fast and there are plenty of people who always like having the newest thing, nothing wrong with buying their sloppy seconds to save some bucks.
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Old 06-12-2011, 01:00 AM   #7
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I've done the headunit thing with my last two cars but honestly I'd rather keep the OEM unit on this car. I know you probably think I'm crazy/ignorant but I have my reasons. I don't really feel like dealing with the costs associated with buying the headunit I want, only to turn around and buy the necessary PAC SWI adapter while losing the factory bluetooth and the steering wheel controls for them. While reading reviews of Kenwood, Pioneer, and Alpine's bluetooth, several people complain about clarity and quality of the signal where the OEM bluetooth works just fine. I know it's not the typical avenue to take but I think if I get the cleansweep, an amp with clean 50-75 watts x 4 channels (no junk amps) to power the Polks, and then add a small/stealth sub it will be perfect. To be 100% honest, the only thing I am a little weary of is the aux volume knob w/ the cleansweep but I think I can get over it.
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Old 06-12-2011, 01:20 AM   #8
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I will say though, to go for the non-flashy approach, I do like this and it's pretty cheap:

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_020CX50...|ffCD_Receiver

Haven't talked to anyone that has it though.
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Old 06-12-2011, 04:33 AM   #9
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I will say though, to go for the non-flashy approach, I do like this and it's pretty cheap:

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_020CX50...|ffCD_Receiver

Haven't talked to anyone that has it though.
I have been looking at that headunit too. Just wish the EQ had more bands that you could set (the one you posted has 3 bands that can be adjusted by frequency but basically still just 3 bands).

Wish there was something like this that had a 7-band or greater EQ...hell my current JVC Arsenal HU has 7 bands and it is older.
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Old 06-12-2011, 10:41 AM   #10
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Tell me about it...that and the sig/noise ratio is 92 db which is quite bad. I HATE background noise so if I add an amp I don't want to hear noise at low volumes. I've been comparing that unit, a JVC one, and Pioneer, all double din, bluetooth included, non-touch screen, trying to figure out which one is the best. If what people are saying is correct and the cleansweep is a pain to adjust the volume, I may reconsider my stance on keeping OEM headunit. These are the pros/cons I came up with:

Clarion-

Pros: Sleek design, reasonable price ($200-250), solid rms wattage (21), 4 volt preamp outs, no complaints about bluetooth performance, can color match ambient lighting to interior

Cons: Sig/Noise ratio is the lowest (92 db), some complain display is hard to see in direct sunlight, only 3 band EQ


JVC:

http://www.crutchfield.com/s_105KWXR...|ffCD_Receiver


Pros-Best sig/noise ratio of group (98), solid RMS wattage (20), can match ambient lighting to WRX interior

Cons-Pricer, only 3 band EQ, bluetooth isn't built in but included and takes up one of your two USB ports, some reports of tricky menus and Ipod functionality freezing up.

Pioneer:

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_130P800...|ffCD_Receiver

Pros-7 Band EQ, constant praise of bluetooth system (built in like Clarion), Pioneer reliability, highest rated for ease of use/menus, 4 volt p/o

Cons-Cannot match ambient lighting to WRX, sig/noise is only slightly better than Clarion (94), low rated rms power (14 watts)
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Old 06-12-2011, 02:40 PM   #11
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I just picked up one of these:

http://www.crutchfield.com/s_113KDCX..._x995&skipvs=T

Pros: Time alignment, Pandora streaming over Iphone, 7 band EQ, bluetooth, satellite radio, HD radio

Cons: doesn't have the preset buttons for fm stations on it

I bought mine on ebay for $180 shipped, I'm loving streaming pandora over it, I went from a panasonic to an alpine to this kenwood, and the sound quality is so much better then the previous 2, and having time alignment on top of all that is even more icing on the cake.

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Old 06-12-2011, 05:27 PM   #12
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If you're concerned about the volume control on the cleansweep check out the Alpine PXE. Its the one I would get if I were going that route.
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Old 06-12-2011, 06:08 PM   #13
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Thanks schweezly, they look like nice units. Now I honestly have no clue what direction I want to take haha. If that Clarion didn't have such a ****ty sig/noise ratio I'd probably go that route then add an amp if I was unhappy. The JVC looks cool but I don't know much about that brand. This Alpine unit definitely one ups the JL Audio if it allows you to retain your oem steering wheel and factory headunit volume controls!
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Old 06-12-2011, 07:23 PM   #14
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JVC has come along way over the past few years. I have personally installed several of the ones you are looking at and havent had any complaints yet. The double din nav units are just about the best on the market right now.

Have you thought about using this.... http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...687322953.html . I personally like it better than the Alpine or JL piece. Ive installed a few and they are really flexable for tailoring your sound quality.
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Old 06-12-2011, 07:29 PM   #15
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I can get the XR-810 (double din), necessary wiring harness, metra dash kit, and Metra Axxess SWC module for $285 shipped. I'm starting to lean this way now since it will be cheaper than a CleanSweep/Alpine Sig Processor plus amp. My only question is, how tough is this install going to be? Especially the SWC module? The door speakers were a breeze but wondering how this compares.
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Old 06-12-2011, 08:49 PM   #16
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Its a fairly easy job! If you search you can find a step by step guide on how to install it on here.
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