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Old 06-12-2011, 05:18 PM   #1
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Default "You'll be fine, just stay out of boost" is not the correct reply for every problem.

You see this reply often, and in many situations this may a correct response. But too much lately I've seen this response thrown out where it is just the worst advice you could give.

My two favorite example of recent weeks were first, one thread where someone asking if their car was safe to drive after failing a smog because obii came back not ready after he reset the ecu. At least three people responded with, "Your fine, just stay out of boost." Why? There was no problem with the car, it simply needed to be driven a few miles for the ecu to learn and confirm readiness, no reason at all to need to avoid boost. It was a stupid response and completely unrelated to the OPs question.
Then in another thread the OP was asking about driving untuned to get to his tuner after changing injectors and the turbo. The first two responses were "you'll be fine just stay out of boost." Really!?! After installing bigger injectors and a larger turbo!?! Staying out of boost will somehow make up for fueling that will be completely off. In this case they car should not be driven, in or out of boost, until it gets some kind of tune on it. Following the "stay out of boost" advice could likely leave the OP with a blown motor.

People, stop using "Just stay out of boost" like it's some cool Subaru catchphase. Stop throwing them out as buzz words to make you sound like you know what you're talking about.

As with everything else on this forum, if you don't know the correct answer to a question, don't answer, and don't just regurgitate "you'll be fine, just stay out of boost," because you've heard it said on here before.

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Old 06-12-2011, 05:20 PM   #2
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Old 06-12-2011, 05:28 PM   #3
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exactly what needed to be said.
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Old 06-12-2011, 05:29 PM   #4
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Dude!! Just stay out of boost!!


Seriously..that's one thing I've learned about this forum. The people that actually know wtf they are talking about will answer a question, then it turns into a giant echo for every problem someone comes up with
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Old 06-12-2011, 05:43 PM   #5
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Old 06-12-2011, 05:46 PM   #6
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Old 06-12-2011, 06:02 PM   #7
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Sticky it so no noob will ever read it. Then we can yell at them for not reading it!
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Old 06-12-2011, 06:10 PM   #8
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OP sounds like he's been in boost too long.

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Old 06-12-2011, 06:10 PM   #9
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Besides, is it really feasible or even possible to "stay out of boost" unless you're rocking a GT42 and boost doesn't build until 5K. A stock WRX or STi is going to begin building boost just a bit past idle. It won't be much boost, but its boost regardless.

Ahh, damn it! I said the word boost so many times, now the word sounds funny. I hate when that happens.
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Old 06-12-2011, 06:24 PM   #10
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It is totally possible to stay out of boost. I do it all the time while driving around town
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Old 06-12-2011, 06:31 PM   #11
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Soooo......you're saying that if someone doesn't know from experience and only read about it on the interweb, they should not state it as if they knew what they were talking about?

So questions in general and n00b sections would be reduced by 95% and the original posters will be coming back every 5 minutes with another post: "anyone?"

I do agree with you.
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Old 06-12-2011, 07:57 PM   #12
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It is totally possible to stay out of boost. I do it all the time while driving around town
Ok. Can you prove your turbo is creating zero boost every time you say it is? Are you relying on your boost gauge, (assuming you have one) to be 100% accurate?

Consider this is coming from a newbie to turbocharged cars (me) so don't feel I'm challenging you be an expert. Just a friendly discussion.
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Old 06-12-2011, 08:34 PM   #13
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OP sounds like he's been in boost too long.

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You're right. I'll be fine once I get out of boost.

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Soooo......you're saying that if someone doesn't know from experience and only read about it on the interweb, they should not state it as if they knew what they were talking about?

So questions in general and n00b sections would be reduced by 95% and the original posters will be coming back every 5 minutes with another post: "anyone?"

I do agree with you.
Where did I say any of that? You're putting words in my mouth.

I'm saying if you know the answer to someones question, either from experience or from your own knowledge or from research, go ahead and post your answer.
But if you don't know the answer, or only think you know the answer, or are just guessing don't post.
And don't just regurgitate something just because you've seen it here before when it may not be relevant to the question and especially when its just plain wrong.


And why would reducing the newb section of 95% of the question be a bad thing!?!
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Old 06-12-2011, 09:23 PM   #14
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Besides, is it really feasible or even possible to "stay out of boost" unless you're rocking a GT42 and boost doesn't build until 5K. A stock WRX or STi is going to begin building boost just a bit past idle. It won't be much boost, but its boost regardless.
Not to come of like a douche bag, but stuff like your second sentence kills me. We all had zero knowledge of this kind of stuff at one point, but you shouldn't post stuff as a matter of fact unless you are certain that it is correct. Sure, it may be able to build boost at just above idle, but that is what the throttle plate is for.

To the OP, excellent post.

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Old 06-13-2011, 12:08 AM   #15
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Not to come of like a douche bag, but stuff like your second sentence kills me. We all had zero knowledge of this kind of stuff at one point, but you shouldn't post stuff as a matter of fact unless you are certain that it is correct. Sure, it may be able to build boost at just above idle, but that is what the throttle plate is for.

To the OP, excellent post.
Cool. So how was my second sentence not fact? You confirmed it in your post. I was questioning someone who claimed he was able to stay out of boost "all the time" while driving around town. That would seem to be a pretty difficult task, having spent a lot of time driving around town. Maybe you took my post out of context? I wasn't questioning OP's post. I agree completely with it. I was simply trying to open a dialog about how one manages to stay completely out of boost and how one can prove he/she has done so. It was the "all the time" thing that caught my eye.
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Old 06-13-2011, 01:06 AM   #16
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stay put of boost?
I had to one time when the cotter pin holding the wastegate actuator rod came loose on my old Saab . think I could muster 1psi at WOT. That's probably the only way to be sure you stay out of boost.
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Old 06-13-2011, 02:13 AM   #17
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Then in another thread the OP was asking about driving untuned to get to his tuner after changing injectors and the turbo. The first two responses were "you'll be fine just stay out of boost." Really!?! After installing bigger injectors and a larger turbo!?! Staying out of boost will somehow make up for fueling that will be completely off. In this case they car should not be driven, in or out of boost, until it gets some kind of tune on it. Following the "stay out of boost" advice could likely leave the OP with a blown motor.

/rant
This happened to me one time. My car was running a realtime map, the ECU was reset, and I didn't have my AP with me so it thought it had smaller injectors than the 740s that were in there (previous owner's tune, I had it fixed on a base map). I stayed out of boost and I was okay, although I did get a fuel trim CEL.
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Old 06-13-2011, 02:27 AM   #18
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Besides, is it really feasible or even possible to "stay out of boost" unless you're rocking a GT42 and boost doesn't build until 5K. A stock WRX or STi is going to begin building boost just a bit past idle. It won't be much boost, but its boost regardless.

Ahh, damn it! I said the word boost so many times, now the word sounds funny. I hate when that happens.
What are you smoking? Not true.

I drive with a TD04, and stay out of boost. Do it fairly often.

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Ok. Can you prove your turbo is creating zero boost every time you say it is? Are you relying on your boost gauge, (assuming you have one) to be 100% accurate?

Consider this is coming from a newbie to turbocharged cars (me) so don't feel I'm challenging you be an expert. Just a friendly discussion.
No matter what boost gauge, including the glowshift, unless installed incorrectly will show an error of +/-2PSI.

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Cool. So how was my second sentence not fact? You confirmed it in your post. I was questioning someone who claimed he was able to stay out of boost "all the time" while driving around town. That would seem to be a pretty difficult task, having spent a lot of time driving around town. Maybe you took my post out of context? I wasn't questioning OP's post. I agree completely with it. I was simply trying to open a dialog about how one manages to stay completely out of boost and how one can prove he/she has done so. It was the "all the time" thing that caught my eye.
Again, it's not difficult to stay out of boost.

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You see this reply often, and in many situations this may a correct response. But too much lately I've seen this response thrown out where it is just the worst advice you could give.

My two favorite example of recent weeks were first, one thread where someone asking if their car was safe to drive after failing a smog because obii came back not ready after he reset the ecu. At least three people responded with, "Your fine, just stay out of boost." Why? There was no problem with the car, it simply needed to be driven a few miles for the ecu to learn and confirm readiness, no reason at all to need to avoid boost. It was a stupid response and completely unrelated to the OPs question.
Then in another thread the OP was asking about driving untuned to get to his tuner after changing injectors and the turbo. The first two responses were "you'll be fine just stay out of boost." Really!?! After installing bigger injectors and a larger turbo!?! Staying out of boost will somehow make up for fueling that will be completely off. In this case they car should not be driven, in or out of boost, until it gets some kind of tune on it. Following the "stay out of boost" advice could likely leave the OP with a blown motor.

People, stop using "Just stay out of boost" like it's some cool Subaru catchphase. Stop throwing them out as buzz words to make you sound like you know what you're talking about.

As with everything else on this forum, if you don't know the correct answer to a question, don't answer, and don't just regurgitate "you'll be fine, just stay out of boost," because you've heard it said on here before.

/rant
Agreed to the point of the turbo. Turbo, it doesn't matter. Staying out of boost with a 42r vs TD04 on the same map, won't cause harm to your car.
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Old 06-13-2011, 02:29 AM   #19
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This happened to me one time. My car was running a realtime map, the ECU was reset, and I didn't have my AP with me so it thought it had smaller injectors than the 740s that were in there (previous owner's tune, I had it fixed on a base map). I stayed out of boost and I was okay, although I did get a fuel trim CEL.
If the injector sizes don't have a huge gap in size vs what the map calls for, the ECU can correct it temporarily, but I would advise a tune ASAP.
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Old 06-13-2011, 04:17 AM   #20
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There are two things at work here:

1. Much of the stuff on the internet is rubbish that you have to sift through to find good information. We used to call it the signal to noise ratio of certain sites, and NASIOC is probably better than most.

2. People want to increase their post count and not get flagged as post whoring. Simple, vaguely relevant posts are an easy way to do it, even if they are wrong.

By all means try to correct it, but don't hold your breath waiting for people to change their behavior. I think it is easier to teach people how to detect BS than it is to prevent BS from occurring
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Old 06-13-2011, 01:20 PM   #22
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What about the "Don't get on your car until it is warmed-up" and the one that follows that says "Just because the water temp is warm does not mean the oil is"

If anyone on here believes the first thing they read they deserve whats coming to them. In my 8 years on this thread I usually research something to death before I go and do it.

Most people make the mistake of asking the question here when they should be asking the tuner or the shop they are working with

(Those like me that do most of their own work are usually smart enough to know a good answer from a bad)
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Old 06-13-2011, 01:51 PM   #23
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The only time an answer like that applies is when there's a problem with the boost control system and nothing else. Examples would be:

Switched to EWG, driving to get a tune
Switched to a 3-port solenoid, driving to get a tune
etc.

Anything else, intake swaps, injector swaps, etc., "just stay out of boost" does not apply.
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Old 06-13-2011, 02:34 PM   #24
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Some questions are legit, like the turbo/injector swap dude asking about how to get his car to the tuner. People just need to have it pounded into their head that when you modify your engine or it's components, you need a tune.

A little reading goes a long way when it comes to modding a car properly!
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What are you smoking? Not true.

I drive with a TD04, and stay out of boost. Do it fairly often.

No matter what boost gauge, including the glowshift, unless installed incorrectly will show an error of +/-2PSI.
Not smoking anything at the moment. Hook a brother up!

Again, my point is validated in your post. You quote a +/-2PSI margin of error on any properly installed boost gauge. So, how do you know you're not building 2 PSI of boost when your gauge says zero? I don't care what turbo you're driving with, if you're relying on your imperfect boost gauge to tell you whether your turbo is building boost, Its possible you're being mislead.

Anyway, enough arguing. I completely agree with OP about the generic statement being used incorrectly. A single blanket statement will almost never work for all.
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