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Old 07-24-2002, 07:31 PM   #1
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Default WRX vs 2k2 Maxima

me and a friend of were talking about this the other day, Stock for stock ... would a maxima walk away from the wrx. (from a cold start to 100MPH run) or 1/4 mile,

since the max has 255hp ~ 225 at the crank,
and the wrx has 227hp ~ 185 at the crank,

wich one would be faster ?

of course there are alot of variables in this, but as anyone ever raced one or saw one do a 1/4 mile ?

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Old 07-24-2002, 07:49 PM   #2
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185 hp to the crank?? i think u meant to say 185hp to the wheels....

But seriously i would think that the wrx would take it easily.. hp doesnt always win races. Of course its a big factor but why do u think a stock wrx can take a mustang gt from the line? Got to love the AWD.
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Old 07-24-2002, 11:16 PM   #3
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do you happen to know how much a maxima weighs in at? I have a feeling they weigh quite a lot more then our cars, i think that would be a big factor.
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Old 07-24-2002, 11:19 PM   #4
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Also depends on who is the better driver. I used to walk people in my old S10 off the line...well atleast til I hit second gear, then it was over.
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Old 07-25-2002, 12:29 AM   #5
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A WRX has 165 to 175 stock wheel horsepower.. the Maxima is probably laying down 220ish to the wheels. I think a 6 speed Maxima would beast a WRX stock for stock.

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Old 07-25-2002, 01:42 AM   #6
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I always love this comparison. I have a WRX (Vishnu Stage 0) and my wife has a 2k2 Maxima SE, it's an auto though, and we live at an elevation of 5000 ft.

The Maxima is our family car, my wife wanted something with a spoiler and plenty of room inside. It is a really nice car but performance wise it is no comparison to the WRX. It is heavy, pushes bad when cornering hard, and is front wheel drive. It runs good but it won't keep up with my WRX, even before the Stage 0.

I would expect a 6spd to light up the front tires and torque steer like mad.

Remember this comparison is at 5000 ft and that does make a big difference with NA cars.
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Old 07-25-2002, 01:52 AM   #7
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HP is not everything. Weight plays a large role in this comparison. The Maxima is A LOT heavier than the WRX, enough so that the extra hp would not make up for it. My mothers Infiniti has 240 hp, but it only does 0-60 in 9 something. HP is not the final say.
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Old 07-25-2002, 02:03 AM   #8
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They dont run mid 14's like a stock WRX.

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Old 07-25-2002, 03:35 AM   #9
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I raced one when I was stock he had cold air intake and cat back and I was kicking ass. He ran a 15.1 and I ran a 14.4.
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Old 07-25-2002, 03:57 AM   #10
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this would probably be a good race. i've always liked maximas, and probably would have bought an '01 if the steering hadn't been so overboosted.

i've looked thru old car&driver, road&track and motor trend magazines (and their websites) and can't find any numbers for the '02 maxima. the numbers for the previous maxima (with ~40 fewer horses) came in the range of 15 - 16 second 1/4 mile @ 90+ mph. the extra hp would put it pretty close to WRX performance.

the '02 maxima is about 200 lbs heavier than the WRX.

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Old 07-25-2002, 06:59 AM   #11
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i've looked thru old car&driver, road&track and motor trend magazines (and their websites) and can't find any numbers for the '02 maxima. the numbers for the previous maxima (with ~40 fewer horses) came in the range of 15 - 16 second 1/4 mile @ 90+ mph. the extra hp would put it pretty close to WRX performance.

the '02 maxima is about 200 lbs heavier than the WRX.

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Performance numbers for the 2002 Maxima:

Acceleration, sec
0-30 mph 2.4
0-40 mph 3.6
0-50 mph 5.2
0-60 mph 6.7
0-70 mph 8.7
0-80 mph 11.2
0-90 mph 13.8
Standing quarter mile, sec/mph 15.1/94.4
Braking, 60-0 mph, ft 128
Lateral acceleration, g 0.80
Speed through 600-ft slalom, mph 62.0
EPA fuel economy, mpg, city/hwy. 22/28
Estimated range, city/hwy., miles

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Look at that trap speed stock. With a good 60ft time (1.7-1.9) the Maxima would easily be in the mid to low 14 second range. Nice! Here's some other useful information. Look at the weight of the vehicle. It's not as heavy as you think.

Wheelbase, in./mm 108.3/2751
Track, f/r, in./mm 60.2/59.4 / 1525/1509
Length, in./mm 190.5/4839
Width, in./mm 70.3/1786
Height, in./mm 56.5/1435
Base curb weight, lb 3245
Weight distribution, f/r, % 61/39
Cargo capacity, cu ft 15.1
Fuel capacity, gal 18.5
Weight/power ratio, lb/hp
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Old 07-25-2002, 07:29 AM   #12
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hmmm ... i was actually expecting better, since those are about the same as the numbers that i found for the 2000 maxima. probably if tested by a magazine like R&T, they'd get better numbers.

the 200 lb weight difference wouldn't have much of an effect on the numbers.

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Old 07-25-2002, 11:35 AM   #13
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Very simple

Drivers being equal a WRX will beat a Maxima/Altima in the 1/4 mile. No contest 0-60mph.

On the other hand a maxima/Altima will out pull a stock WRX top end. AWD defiately hurts top end speed.

Now when you start talking about modified vs modified there is no comparison. WRX is so easy to mod and make fast. Thats why I bought mine.
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Old 07-25-2002, 06:56 PM   #14
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plus they are cushy as everything...

a 2001 was my second choice while the WRX was or was not coming to the US. I drove it many times and it was very nice and cushy. leather, thermostat, bose stereo... nice gear**** light clutch... but you had to be careful with traction on a front wheel drive. I test drove a 5sp altime 3.5 SE and I thought it was a ton of fun. I kind of hoped my wife will go for one (Max or Altima 5 sp) but she wants an automatic

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Old 07-25-2002, 07:13 PM   #15
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Default Lightly modded Maxima against lightly modded WRX

I lined up to a guy in a modded (think he had an exhaust and don't know what else if anything) new style Maxima at the track a few weeks ago. I kind of giggled to myself as I was staging as I knew I was about to spank his ass. I was laughing because he probably thought that it would be close.

The light went down and I must've pulled 4 cars in first and by the end of the track I looked back in my rearview mirror and it looked like he was going just past the 1/8 mark or so. Poor guy!

Now, I know that it wasn't stock for stock but both were modded to some degree.

He pulled a 14.5xx to my 12.990. Even modded those Maximas are slugs!
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Old 07-25-2002, 08:24 PM   #16
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He pulled a 14.5xx to my 12.990. Even modded those Maximas are slugs! [/b]
a "lightly" modded WRX pulling a 12.99?! hmmm ...

and if he was just reaching the 1/8th mile mark at 12.99, it's pretty unlikely that he did the last 1/8th in 1.51 seconds! lol

i'll agree that our WRX's are better off the line thanks to the AWD, but the diff isn't as large as you're making it out to be. i'm sure you were the better driver in the race you mention.

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Old 07-26-2002, 12:42 PM   #17
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a "lightly" modded WRX pulling a 12.99?! hmmm ...

and if he was just reaching the 1/8th mile mark at 12.99, it's pretty unlikely that he did the last 1/8th in 1.51 seconds! lol

i'll agree that our WRX's are better off the line thanks to the AWD, but the diff isn't as large as you're making it out to be. i'm sure you were the better driver in the race you mention.

--chris
Well "lightly modded" is correctly stated in my eyes. You look at my engine bay and you see nothing but OEM parts except for the downpipe on the backside. I've put in less than $2,800 in performance mods so that's why I said lightly modded, i.e. bolts-ons (exhaust, turbo, and ecu).

I honestly can't say how far back he was but it was pretty bad. Ok, so he was probably a little further past the 1/8 mark than I said

As far as off the line launches, the WRX AWD is really a huge difference especially when you're making good power.

Anyhow, new Maxima = not too quick!
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Old 07-26-2002, 02:00 PM   #18
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was it a 2002 or 2001? The difference I see is that the 2002 has clear rear tails.

I am pretty sure that unless he had a blower of some sort he would be nowhere near 12's.


Edit: looking at the posted time further up I see he actually did a sec faster than norm (14.1 vs 15.1)

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Old 07-27-2002, 02:20 AM   #19
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The Altima has 15HP less than the Maxima yet it kills it. mid to high 14's for the Altima and low - flat 15's for the Maxima.
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Old 07-27-2002, 08:31 PM   #20
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I owned a few Maximas (92 SE & 99 GXE)before i bought my 02 WRX. You can go to www.maxima.org or maximaforums.com for additional info.

I had an auto 99 Max (CAI, Y-pipe, Hollowed Cat, Valve Body, & 100 shot - dry). I was runngin consistent 13.8's @100mph with 2.2 60fts.

The new 2k2 6spd's are running 14.4-14.2 STOCK (2.1 60fts). A lot of the 02 Auto guys are pulling 14.4-14.8 stock (2.1-2.2 60fts). You can't always go by what the magazine's times.

The 6spd 02 Maximas are putting down about 210fwhp and about 220lbs. THe auto guys are putting down a little under 200fwhp and about 205-210lbs.

As far as racing, the WRX would smoke it off the line. The Maxima has better high end and would pass us due to our terrible 4th & 5th gearing. Stock for stock, they are pretty much equal with decent drivers. I am not taking any sides.
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Old 07-28-2002, 10:13 AM   #21
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They dont run mid 14's like a stock WRX.

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Bog stock, I ran a [email protected] in my 2000 Max 5 speed (222 hp 3.0L vs the 2002's 255 hp 3.5L). The 2002s seem to run (regardless of what magazines say) at least 0.25 sec quicker than my 2000. Some have run 0.5 sec quicker. Its dynoed 191 whp stock.

With an intake and Y-pipe my 2000 ran [email protected] and dynoed 208 whp.

I raced an otherwise stock WRX (at 16 psi boost) and it was literally a dead heat up to 100 mph.

I think these numbers are right in stock WRX territory. But, with a few more bucks, a WRX should easily be able to out run a Max. In performance potential, the WRX wins hands down. Thats not really the Maximas game.
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Old 07-28-2002, 12:41 PM   #22
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this is why I thought that the Altima (3.5SE 5sp) and even a Max GLE(2002 auto) felt very fast not as fast as my (at that time) TXS stage II but quite close. The thing I did not like it was the suspension. The car was kind of floating around and it was hard not to get wheel spin all over...

ok maybe I can have a new GLE/SE auto for a wife car. Plus I like the way they look.

Now can you put the Altima Y pipe? what gains can you see?

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Old 07-28-2002, 08:11 PM   #23
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I know this doesn't count because my WRX is heavily modded
(Stage 4), but this guy in a new Maxima was shadowing me cruising out of town a few days ago. He just sat in my blind spot. Then he floored it and cut in front of me. After that I just had to set him straight. We got a chance to line up at a red light. I waited for him to make the first move. He floored it when the light turned green. I quickly followed suit and blasted by him like he was sitting still in 2nd gear. Then I slowed down and preceeded cruising down the street. He then continued to shadow me but from a distance of a hundred yards or so. He then floord it from way behind me to do the famous ricer fly bye. I could see him coming up as fast as he could from behind. I then downshifted into 2nd gear going about 45mph and floored it. I then shifed into third and kept the petal to the metal. He never had a chance. After than he had to feel bad.
I'm sure he was scratching his head wondering why/how this WRX was so fast.
Its stock dude.
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Bog stock, I ran a [email protected] in my 2000 Max 5 speed (222 hp 3.0L vs the 2002's 255 hp 3.5L). The 2002s seem to run (regardless of what magazines say) at least 0.25 sec quicker than my 2000. Some have run 0.5 sec quicker. Its dynoed 191 whp stock.

With an intake and Y-pipe my 2000 ran [email protected] and dynoed 208 whp.

I raced an otherwise stock WRX (at 16 psi boost) and it was literally a dead heat up to 100 mph.

I think these numbers are right in stock WRX territory. But, with a few more bucks, a WRX should easily be able to out run a Max. In performance potential, the WRX wins hands down. Thats not really the Maximas game.
Mr. "Madmax2k" How are you doing? I was Synki on the board.
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Mr. "Madmax2k" How are you doing? I was Synki on the board.
Im doing fine!

Did you get rid of the Max?
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