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Old 06-19-2011, 12:37 PM   #1
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Question Timing Belt Replaced & now it won't start...

So yesterday i tackled the water pump and timing belt job. I had picked up the gates timing belt kit and a tomei guide. Taking everything off went rather smooth other than the radiator spraying fluid EVERYWHERE, and when i started taking off idlers and what not i realized that they were indeed pretty worn, would just spin really easy. The tensioner was leaking and there was slight play in the belt buuuut all in all, in good shape. Anyway, I was working with my brother-in-law (chris) and his cousin who had just done this job on chris' car in the past six months (INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL TOO), BUT before i realized i was supposed to line everything up (TDC), i was told to take off the tensioner and that was it, this was how the cam pulleys n crank sat when i pulled it off:




this was what the tensioner looked like:


sooo yeah, i freaked, but took pictures so we could put all back the exact same way, buuuuuuut they said that they lined up all the pulleys the way the book said and so we did that, we tried to follow the book in correct rotation as well as marking placement. In the end, all of the markings were spot on, we put on the belt and all the the teeth were spot on, lines on the belt matched up and everything. We turned the engine over until all the belt lines came back around and the whole time, all the markings lined up just right...We figured it was all good baby, buuuuut, we were mistaken


put everything back together and this is how shes acting:

i know the video is crazy short and i can take a longer one if need be, buuut thats the just. We can't figure out b/c just this morning, before we took it all apart, it fired right up, ran perfect, and now....this.

They keep saying that you dont hear any knocking or anything so its not the timing, but i can't grasp what else it could be when all we did was mess with the timing components


I have been so mad at myself b/c i am that guy that follows the diy or book to a T while doing a job for the first time but this time...i didn't, i allowed somebody else to guide me and now my car wont start

My dad and I checked for fuel and spark last night and its getting both, at least in the front passenger plug (dunno which cylinder that is).

I did post this locally in the maic and i dont know if there are rules against me posting this here too but the only person who responded locally said my valves were bent and obviously that would be crushing n i hope not, so before i begin tearing it apart i would love some other ideas for troubleshooting

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Old 06-19-2011, 02:25 PM   #2
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As I understand it you line up the crank first so things don't bash into one another. I used this great guide with optimal success:

Try turning the crank to line up the crank marks, then redo all else to their proper positions.

The bottom line is that it is your timing since that is the variable in it running or not. You need to redo it properly and pray. Dont listen to anyone not on that video.

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Old 06-19-2011, 06:58 PM   #3
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Thank you, I needed to hear that. Going to keep praying and take it apart tomorrow. =D
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Old 06-20-2011, 02:28 AM   #4
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Wow, so watching that video I immediately realized what I did wrong. I set the crank upside down. I used that N letter as the timing mark n not the line on the other side. As soon as I saw him line it up I knew.

What I don't know is the damage that i could have or did cause. I plan on taking it apart in the AM but don't know if it is already broke or not...any idea?

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Old 06-20-2011, 06:46 AM   #5
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timing is wrong period.
you'll be lucky if you did not bend any valves.
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Old 06-20-2011, 09:23 AM   #6
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Wow, so watching that video I immediately realized what I did wrong. I set the crank upside down. I used that N letter as the timing mark n not the line on the other side. As soon as I saw him line it up I knew.

What I don't know is the damage that i could have or has caused. I plan on taking it apart in the AM but don't know if it is already broke or not...any idea?
So it sounds like you are 180 degrees out. If thats the case, you should be fine, no damage. You just ended up with your exhaust pretending to be an intake, and the actual exhaust trying to go out your air filter...
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Old 06-20-2011, 12:35 PM   #7
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So it sounds like you are 180 degrees out. If thats the case, you should be fine, no damage. You just ended up with your exhaust pretending to be an intake, and the actual exhaust trying to go out your air filter...
i love your optimism!!!! I just switched em and am in the process of putting it back together right now. prayers being lifted
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Old 06-20-2011, 08:27 PM   #8
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close her down, shes all fixed. Just turned the crank to the right position, aligned all my cams and she runs perfectly again =D


I had left the turbo res. cap off b/c to get the air out
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Old 06-20-2011, 08:47 PM   #9
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Old 06-21-2011, 11:23 AM   #10
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Purring like a kitten. Nice recovery.
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Old 06-21-2011, 07:30 PM   #11
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beware of the skipping teeth and such. pain in the a**!
always make sure its tdc!!!
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Old 06-21-2011, 10:28 PM   #12
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Purring like a kitten. Nice recovery.
O.M.Gee golly, haaaa, i know right!

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beware of the skipping teeth and such. pain in the a**!
always make sure its tdc!!!
yeah, the tdc lesson was learned indefinitely! I picked up the tomei timing guide n made sure i had 1mm in b/t all the other timing guides sooooo we shouldn't see any skipping of the teeth
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Old 08-09-2011, 01:06 AM   #13
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Hey I just replace the timing belt, water pump, crank seal on my 97 impreza 2.2. Everything align with the mark on the cam. Go turn the car when everything was finish an it wont turn on only spin go check the timing belt and they out of align again which make sense bc the car is spinning and not turning on. First time doing the timing belt on a subie didn't feel like paying $400 for it. I miss my car is being 3 week. I want to drive her already lol. Any help would be much appreciated thanks
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Old 09-01-2011, 02:04 PM   #14
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What does TDC mean when refering to the above posts? I am getting ready to replace my timing belt next month.

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Old 09-01-2011, 02:11 PM   #15
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top dead center, in reference to the #1 cylinder.
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tdc= top dead center
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Old 09-01-2011, 05:17 PM   #17
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follow meatys youtube timing belt videos step by step, don't over think the process. everything is in the video, down to torque specs.

watch the video a cpl times so you understand what is going on, then go for it.

I just did mine last week, was nervous about messing up but its actually very easy and straight foward.
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Old 09-09-2011, 12:13 PM   #19
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Timing belts/chains can be the easiest job in the world...They can also leave you scratching your head and throwing ratchets because you weren't paying attention Being 180deg. out is the most common, though I have seen quite a few shade tree mechanics really screw things up. The key is to read the manual (pics/vids/whatever) or have someone, that has successfully done it before, show you how.
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Old 09-09-2011, 01:10 PM   #20
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Key words "someone who has done it before"

Even then, I personally would much rather do it all myself. I made the mistake of letting someone who "successfully did it.before" help n the end result was 180 out. Had I taken my time, did it myself, that would not of happened. But ya meaty diy n video are perfect, everything u need =D
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Old 09-09-2011, 11:49 PM   #21
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btw, if that's oil leaking out from the tensioner in the top pic, I highly recommend you replace it.
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Old 09-10-2011, 12:42 AM   #22
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btw, if that's oil leaking out from the tensioner in the top pic, I highly recommend you replace it.
I imagine u are referring to my pic, n if so, in the original post I said I used the gates timing kit which includes a new tensioner. But ya the other tensioner still had good tension but was clearly getting worse.
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Old 09-10-2011, 03:00 AM   #23
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Oh god, what a scary thread. I'm happy for you, OP that you didn't destory the engine

I cringed. :C If there was a horror story about automotive quandry, this would be a chapter w/ a good ending.
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