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Old 06-29-2011, 03:49 PM   #1
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Default Cobb stg 1 vs torqued performance

Anyone have dyno graphs comparing the 2? Also, lets hear some more feedback on the TP ots map. 2011 wrx pref.
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Old 06-30-2011, 10:05 PM   #2
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on my 08 wrx im running the tp stage 2.52 map. i swapped my turbo for a new vf52. the car runs amazing! i see 19.5-21 psi on good days. no issues at all. check 3gwrx.com. eric is a regular poster over there and will answer any questions you have about his maps.
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Old 06-30-2011, 10:16 PM   #3
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I am currently running the TP Stage I map on my 2011 and love it. I ran the Cobb map for a few days then swapped to TP and no comparison. I see 18.2 to 18.5psi boost and car pulls hard. No complaints and am about to go Stage II with TP as well.

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Old 07-06-2011, 07:28 PM   #4
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Maybe I am reading it wrong, but you need Access Tuner Pro software to run TP maps. Isn't that software 2500 bucks? Plus the 69 dollar map? Almost 2600 bucks? Can the TP stage one map really be worth that much over a Cobb stage one map?
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Old 07-06-2011, 08:46 PM   #5
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I am running TP stg. 1 on my 08 wrx and it runs a lot smoother. You can get Access Tuner for free from the Cobb website. Takes about 24 hours for them to email you the download link. You have to use Access Tuner to sync the map for the Access Port.

Eric has been a huge help over on 3gwrx. You can run some logs and email them for him to look at. He will even tweak the map if need be.
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Old 07-06-2011, 09:05 PM   #6
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Cool. Sorry for my dumb question, lol. I guess the expensive software I mentioned was that used to actually create the maps, not load them. Thanks man.

On a side note, I too would love to see a side by side dyno comparison. I am using the Cobb stage one (93) right now and would love to know if it is worth the extra 70 bucks to get the TP stage one map.
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Old 07-08-2011, 06:35 PM   #7
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I will buy the tq performance stage one map soon, i will post a review, kind of disapointed with the cobb stage 1 map , the drivability is greatly improve but the power seem low from what i was hopping
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Old 07-08-2011, 11:27 PM   #8
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im in the same boat. I have a k&n intake on my 11 stage 1 93 sf tune from cobb, the guy from cobb told me that would be ok to run but im also disapointed, i may check into erics map to see if he has one tailored for my intake
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Old 07-09-2011, 09:19 AM   #9
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im in the same boat. I have a k&n intake on my 11 stage 1 93 sf tune from cobb, the guy from cobb told me that would be ok to run but im also disapointed, i may check into erics map to see if he has one tailored for my intake
I used to have stage 1 from Eric before I got protuned, just to let you know he does have a map for k&n intakes (at least for the 2011s)
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Old 07-09-2011, 12:24 PM   #10
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awesome, how was your experience with his tune? I was also told to check out cobb surgeline as well
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Old 07-11-2011, 02:59 PM   #11
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im curious where/how you guys are hearing about TP's maps?

google searches? another forum (cause they dont post here at all)?
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Old 07-11-2011, 09:49 PM   #12
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Well I installed the tp K&N stage 1 93 oct on mine an it's a bit better than Cobb maps, a hair more power and just as smooth, overall I like it better than the Cobb maps but I'm still not satisfied with it so I guess it's stage 2 for me soon
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Old 07-13-2011, 06:16 PM   #13
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Get pro tuned by Mikey or phatron and you will be happy or go stage 2 First then get tuned
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Old 07-13-2011, 06:22 PM   #14
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^^ YES.

IMO people trying to squeeze out power on stage1 just isnt worth the time or money.

Get a cheap tbe....ERZ, TSUDO, ebay, etc for $300-400, a fuel pump $75 and a hallman or ebcs $100 and a protune and you will be 1 million times happier. So for ~$850 you can be full protuned stage2....whereas other folks buying premium TBE are spending up to $1500-2000 to get to the same stage2 tuned point.
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Old 07-13-2011, 06:40 PM   #15
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I've been running the TP map on my 2011 for several months now. It's the Stage 1 + AEM (93 octane) map. I also have the SPT cat-back on my sedan but obviously that's more of a sound thing than a performance gainer (no downpipe yet). I definitely noticed a difference with the TP map over the Cobb. The Cobb is so conservative (for good reason) so you definitely can get more out of the car with another tune. I don't think I would recommend paying the money for a dyno tune at this "stage". From what I've been hearing and learning, anything Stage 2 or less and there's not much point to dyno tuning. I'm sure a dyno tune might gain you a little bit here and there but not enough to warrant the cost. The more and more I've learned about this, upgrading to a TBE and upgrading the intercooler (FMIC or TPIC), plus fuel pump and boost controller, will get you the largest gains from a dyno tune over an OTS map.

Just my personal experience with TP. I spoke over the phone to the TP guy (can't remember his name now, it's been a while). He was very informative and helpful. Got the map and the required AP software to download it. Once I ran it on the car, it definitely felt great! That little "hiccup" in the powerband was gone and it felt more responsive all the way through. My one dissapointment was that when I tried contacting the TP guy a few times to get the promised revisions/tweaks done on my map, I never got a response. To this day I'm still running his "base" Stage 1 + AEM tune. Not for long tho....
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Old 07-17-2011, 10:11 PM   #16
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I just posted this on another similar thread.

I had an 09 wrx and tried Cobb, Perrin, and TP Stage 1 maps. I found the Cobb to be a noticeable gain over stock and a very smooth acceleration. Perrin was a lot punchier and just felt faster, although not as smooth. The Torqued Performance map combined the best of the other two, smooth and fast. That was my personal choice.

I now have a 2011 and am running the TP Stage 2 map and loving it!
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Old 07-17-2011, 10:31 PM   #17
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I've used the TP Stage 1 map for a while and it was great, just upgrade to their Stage 2 map after putting on my downpipe last week. Still working out some kinks on my end, but the map is great and Eric has been really helpful.

Here's a virtual dyno chart from a run I did earlier today. Using the Stage 2 + Perrin intake map.



At the moment my IPR TMIC is hitting a bolt head and causing some noise in the engine bay that seems to be triggering the knock detection, so once I get that problem fixed I hope to see a little higher numbers.
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Old 07-30-2011, 10:13 PM   #18
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So I bought the Cobb AP and reflashed my ECU with the Stage 1 OTS map. I have to be honest, I was not that impressed. The acceleration was very smooth, but my car didn't seem to accelerate that quickly. I read so many positive reviews on the Torqued Performance map, so I bought it. I changed maps today and the TP map is so much better. Fast and smooth - awesome product!
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Old 10-02-2011, 02:20 PM   #19
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So I bought the Cobb AP and reflashed my ECU with the Stage 1 OTS map. I have to be honest, I was not that impressed. The acceleration was very smooth, but my car didn't seem to accelerate that quickly. I read so many positive reviews on the Torqued Performance map, so I bought it. I changed maps today and the TP map is so much better. Fast and smooth - awesome product!
yes amazing product, I have the TQ stage 1 on my wrx11 and I love it. Eric has been very helpful. I sent him dataloggin and he sent me back a custom map. very smooth, fast. Eric is an excellent vendor
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Old 10-26-2011, 10:31 PM   #20
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Just bought my map yesterday, he has been helpful already (total noob here). Getting my tactrix cable in the mail tomorrow, excited as hell to get this thing going in combination with AEM CAI (new from amazon for $200). I'll post an impression/review once I get it all set up.
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Old 10-26-2011, 10:57 PM   #21
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Stock 05 wrx to stage 1 = No big difference IMO. I suppose it ran a little smoother. Stage 1 to stage 2 = holy balls. I finally see where my money is going. Now onto a larger turbo
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Old 10-28-2011, 07:23 PM   #22
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No data to back it up, but I ran the cobb s1 for a few months. Was happy but it had a few rough spots. Got the TQ s1 and was glad I did. Smoother and stronger to boot. Spend the 70$, you wont regret it.
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Old 11-17-2011, 02:40 PM   #23
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Thread is a tad bit old but I want to resurrect it for personal reasons. Have the map and Tactrix - ready to go stage 1 this weekend.

Has anyone come across any issues as far as needing to be tuned further from Eric after the flash? Any other issues?

Thanks.
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Old 11-17-2011, 03:47 PM   #24
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stock to tp 1 stage 1 on my car made a huge difference, on the butt dyno anyway

edit: had the thread open from last night didn't see your post.

The only issue I've had with the tune is that if I get to high boost under 3k in 5th gear I get a vibration. Eric(who responded to my email in 9 minutes btw) said that it could be near the surgeline and to take it easy at lower rpms in 5th. I sent him a datalog where I just floored it at like 2400 rpms in 5th to replicate the problem. He pretty much said its better to downshift than gun it in 5th at low rpms(which i know) but even if you just ease into the boost you can still get the vibration. I was more or less satisfied with his answer but some other guy I know who has some subaru tuning experience said that it isn't normal so IDK what to think. Bottom line is that putting any car under crazy load at low rpms in the top gear is a bad idea and eric responds really fast. Also XPT tuning has a warning that comes with their stage 2 maps.

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Further instructions will be provided upon receipt of your new map. This will include details and proper map break-in procedures/tips. Target Boost on both maps is 18.5psi in 3rd gear; it will taper down to around 14psi by redline. Boost may be higher in 4th and 5th gear but should stay under 20psi. I strongly urge you not to floor the car in 4th or 5th gear under 2800rpm unless absolutely necessary. Air Fuel Ratios should be around 11.5:1 during spool, 11.0:1 in mid, and 10.6-10.8 by redline on both maps. I highly recommend monitoring the Air Fuel Ratio with a wideband o2 sensor such as the AEM Uego, or the Innovate LC-1 if available.
Other than that you will find its easier to make your MPG drop quicker, but if you drive normal it should be the same or better than before. The antibog tuning is great too.

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Old 11-30-2011, 11:29 PM   #25
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im in the same boat. I have a k&n intake on my 11 stage 1 93 sf tune from cobb, the guy from cobb told me that would be ok to run but im also disapointed, i may check into erics map to see if he has one tailored for my intake
I had the sf stage 1 and 2 with the K&N... Cobb told me the same thing.

I took one of their datasheets, made the calibration for the K&N using the data there, but no progress. The K&N is smaller than the sf, and even the factory intake.

I took the car driving with a friend of mine on the ATR and fixed the issue by tweaking the MAF calibration. The car felt a lot better, and no more lag across the rpm.

I'll be doing the VF52 swap as well within the next 2 weeks, and I'll be getting TP's OTS map for it with the K&N calibration. I already spoke with Eric, and everything sounds OK, but I'll still hook it up to ATR to make sure everything's running as I expect it to.

Also, their info says the AFR target is 10.5. I'm looking for 11.1, so I know I'll have to tweak it anyways. I ran the car at this 10.5 AFR (Cobb OTS map) before tuning it and there was a lot of lag throughout the rpm range. I'll probably start a thread with my results, as well as the swap.
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