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Old 07-02-2011, 10:01 AM   #1
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Default rigid collar : interesting idea. any first-hand feedback?

http://www.rigidcollar.jp/

Unfortunately, I can't read japanese, so i'm not sure what the website itself says, but there's a write-up here:

http://speedhunters.com/archive/2011...-the-gt-r.aspx

and that seems to be intriguing. They mention subarus being fitted. Anybody have first hand experience?

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Old 07-02-2011, 03:45 PM   #2
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Neat concept...
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Old 07-02-2011, 09:45 PM   #3
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Old 07-03-2011, 11:09 AM   #4
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So who's going to order a set of these and have them copied by a local machinist for the rest of us?
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Old 01-21-2013, 04:19 PM   #5
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sorry to bring backp this thread, but I found more sellers:

http://www.aj-racing.com/shop/produc...5&cat=0&page=2

http://www.rigidcollar.com/index.php...er/subaru.html

man, this is so expensive! will it a worth for this price?
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Old 01-21-2013, 07:27 PM   #6
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sorry to bring backp this thread, but I found more sellers:

http://www.aj-racing.com/shop/produc...5&cat=0&page=2

http://www.rigidcollar.com/index.php...er/subaru.html

man, this is so expensive! will it a worth for this price?
Here are a few more people talking about them. http://www.iwsti.com/forums/gr-suspe...ollar-kit.html
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Old 08-30-2013, 02:29 PM   #7
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Sorry to bring back an old thread. But SMY will be selling Rigid Collars. We have recently installed a set on 2 cars. 1 2013 Sedan will a fully modded suspension setup. and 1 2013 STI Hatch with stock suspension.

Both cars saw a dramatic change in handling, a lot less road noise and and a better overall ride.

We are working on install sheets, pictures etc before we will sell them to customers. If you are interested in more information or if we will have collars for your model please contact us via PM or email. sales@smyperformance.com

Pricing will be a lot less than those you have seen online.

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Old 08-30-2013, 03:12 PM   #8
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Are these available for GD?
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Old 08-30-2013, 06:13 PM   #9
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Are these available for GD?
Right now we have them only for the STI models.

04-07
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If these start selling like we are hoping They will we will be carrying they for all Subaru models. And others as well.
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Old 08-30-2013, 06:23 PM   #10
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Where do these go? Between the subframe and chassis?
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Old 08-30-2013, 10:33 PM   #11
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By any chance, did you happen to do a control test?

Not with an untouched car. But with a car where you removed the same components (subframe etc) and reinstalled retorqued everything WITHOUT the collars?

It has been hypothesized that the much of the benefit comes not from the presence of the collars themselves, but by retorquing all the bolts.

Much like how a lot of the benefit of SS brake lines actually comes from bleeding the brakes during install instead of the lines themselves.

Just curious.
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Old 08-30-2013, 10:37 PM   #12
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By any chance, did you happen to do a control test?

Not with an untouched car. But with a car where you removed the same components (subframe etc) and reinstalled retorqued everything WITHOUT the collars?

It has been hypothesized that the much of the benefit comes not from the presence of the collars themselves, but by retorquing all the bolts.

Much like how a lot of the benefit of SS brake lines actually comes from bleeding the brakes during install instead of the lines themselves.

Just curious.
The 2 cars these were installed are fairly new. One has less than 3500 miles the other less than 9k.

In that case if I need to re-torque the bolts in such new cars the bolts would need to be torqued every 1k miles. Does that make sense? No it doesn't. These items would not be one of the hottest selling mode in Asia and Europe in that case. These work and I already was shocked myself by how much my ride improved.
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Old 08-31-2013, 09:31 AM   #13
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How is your ride improved by adding metal to a metal-to-metal union?

And if the subframe were moving alignments would be would going out constantly and be quite obvious.

Nice marketing though.
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Old 08-31-2013, 10:17 AM   #14
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The 2 cars these were installed are fairly new. One has less than 3500 miles the other less than 9k.

In that case if I need to re-torque the bolts in such new cars the bolts would need to be torqued every 1k miles. Does that make sense? No it doesn't. These items would not be one of the hottest selling mode in Asia and Europe in that case. These work and I already was shocked myself by how much my ride improved.
So you didn't check.

It's been shown plenty of times that bolts aren't always torqued properly from the factory.

I'm still skeptical about these results as are A LOT of people. And your dismissive attitude towards doing another test for the sake of thoroughness isn't helping.

I'd like to see you remove the collars from one of the cars, and show that it went back to being worse. If that truly is the case, should be easy enough.
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Old 08-31-2013, 11:07 AM   #15
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So you didn't check.

It's been shown plenty of times that bolts aren't always torqued properly from the factory.

I'm still skeptical about these results as are A LOT of people. And your dismissive attitude towards doing another test for the sake of thoroughness isn't helping.

I'd like to see you remove the collars from one of the cars, and show that it went back to being worse. If that truly is the case, should be easy enough.
Bolts were checked before we removed them. What do you think we are stupid? What would be the point in spends 10s of thousands of dollars in a new product if you are not going to be sure of its success. And if you can't stand behind the product then there is no reason to sell it.


You are filling the gaps that were created by the manufacturer to speed up production time during assembly. Its not just metal to metal.

Yes your alignment does slightly change slowly which is why you need an alignment eventually. In most cases even brand new cars right off the boat need am alignment.

How about you do the test yourself. I could tell you I did torque the bolts and no improvement but you wouldn't believe me.
If you feel that this is a Marketing skeem then get your car into a shop and torque down your bolts. See if your ride quality changes. I bet it won't.

I bet you the cost of the collars the rigid collars will change your ride quality, reduce road noise and put a smile on your face.

Why would I remove collars from a stock car which is brand new. The ride quality did improve. The only way to find out is try them out yourself. I am sure you will notice the difference immediately.
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Old 08-31-2013, 11:12 AM   #16
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How is your ride improved by adding metal to a metal-to-metal union?

And if the subframe were moving alignments would be would going out constantly and be quite obvious.

Nice marketing though.
Your alignment does Change. When is the last time you got an alignment?

I bet you need one after 5,000 miles if your roads are not smooth. You may not notice it now because it is very slightly off.

The gaps are small so the alignment would not go out that bad. It will only go out slightly.

Even a BRAND NEW Car out of a dealer most likely needs an alignment.
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So you say it fits STis only

But at least for the 08+ the STI and WRX share the same subframes.

Which bolt holes exactly are being filled with this kit on 08+? Just the 4 subframe holes in the front and the 4 subframe holes in the back?
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Old 08-31-2013, 05:20 PM   #18
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So you say it fits STis only

But at least for the 08+ the STI and WRX share the same subframes.

Which bolt holes exactly are being filled with this kit on 08+? Just the 4 subframe holes in the front and the 4 subframe holes in the back?
There are differ sets for every car. WRX and STI have different size collars. 08-10 STI are different from 11-13 STI AND same goes with the wrx. Each of these use 8 each. 4 in front 4 in rear

The GD sti 04-07 STI have 18 pieces

They make them for just about every car from a Prius to GTR.
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Right now we have them only for the STI models.

04-07
08-10
11-13

If these start selling like we are hoping They will we will be carrying they for all Subaru models. And others as well.
The subframe is different in the pre 07 wrx? like which parts? I have many pieces swapped to a 07 sti.
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Old 08-31-2013, 06:34 PM   #20
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Not really buying it that these do much. If the subframe bolts are torqued properly its not moving. I did have one loosen up before and it made an annoying clicking/popping noise over uneven bumps. Took me awhile to find it but eventually a rust powder ring showed up around the bolt head
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Old 08-31-2013, 06:42 PM   #21
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yeah the spoon video showed the difference in vertical travel of the car, that is not a micro interaction. It is a global reaction with a spring and dampener like the typical second order differential equation. Dampening of a joint slipping is considered very small at the very most.

Sorry just lol-ing at the spoon video.
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Old 08-31-2013, 06:44 PM   #22
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Not really buying it that these do much. If the subframe bolts are torqued properly its not moving. I did have one loosen up before and it made an annoying clicking/popping noise over uneven bumps. Took me awhile to find it but eventually a rust powder ring showed up around the bolt head
The subframes are different. Believe it.
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Why are you being so vague?

I do not believe the subframe is any different between between the 08-13 WRX and STI. Can you be more specific as to what is different? Because you can swap these parts between the chassis with no problem.

Something more than "they're different"...

I would also still like to know which suspension points are being messed with on the 08+ chassis. You said 18 pieces for the GD (not what I asked).
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The collars are different sizes. It has been tested both wrx and sti collars are different. same price but different parts.

On the 08-13 there are 8 points that connect the subframe to the chassis if you do not know the points i can not explain it to you in writing. Professional installation is required. If you screw up the threads on the subframe it could cost you thousands to replace.

Reference this album for where they collars go.

https://plus.google.com/photos/10911...LTZxIv78tf1igE
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The subframes are different. Believe it.
I believe you that the subframe a are different I just doubt that it improves very much. Out of curiosity are the torque specs they give same as factory or higher? If these squish down around the bolts so much are they damaged once you torque them? Can they be taken off and on or is it a once and done situation
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